[Korlat]

Anthras, on 13 April 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

So let's talk about lynching.

I don't think Merrid is a good lynch, because people know his identity, so he seems a likely target for NAs.

Korlat for the same reason, though no one knows his identity yet, so it doesn't apply yet.

Well, presumably someone did a find on me during the night and therefore knows my identity .

[Anthras]

Presumably someone with a find won't be an assassin or warrior.

Those are the people most likely to buy the faction information, imo. That way they know they won't hit their team.

[Atrahal]

Anthras, on 13 April 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

So let's talk about lynching.

I don't think Merrid is a good lynch, because people know his identity, so he seems a likely target for NAs.

Korlat for the same reason, though no one knows his identity yet, so it doesn't apply yet.

Just to play devil's advocate, what if we DID lynch Merrid? Then anyone who paid to get his information would no longer have any advantage over those who didn't pay to find out, and it confirms whether or not Merrid was telling the truth when he semi-revealed earlier. Also, it's just as possible that the people who learned Merrid's faction/info are on his team, so they would not use NA's on him - except for instance, what if someone with a Heal found out that Merrid was on their team? And then someone else tried to use a NA against him like Assassination? Lot of complexities there. But lynching Merrid sort of removes them and punishes those who paid for the info and also punishes whoever did the Find by not being able to sell the info anymore. They did make some cash, but they couldn't do it any longer.

Don't get me wrong - I'm speaking hypothetically to these types of scenarios. I mean, it could be a way to try to get someone lynched, by selling their info on the Bazaar, because once you are known in a faction game your value decreases or increases, depending on who knows and whether or not they are on your team.

So how do we approach lynches in this game, apart from the standard method?

[Atrahal]

Anthras, on 13 April 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Presumably someone with a find won't be an assassin or warrior.

Those are the people most likely to buy the faction information, imo. That way they know they won't hit their team.

That's a interesting connection I hadn't made before. Good thought, I think you are probably right.

[Tiamatha]

My day has turned out to be more crazy than expected so I haven't had my chance to go back and read up. Though I don't expect to find much with all the market speculation. There is one person that I would really like to hear more from and that is Alkend. Low poster and when they have contributed they haven't said much. So for now

Vote Alkend

Though Okaros blatant post padding has me bothered. Why would you annouce that is exactly what you are doing then proceed to spam the thread. Seems like someone with a nice non aligned role that can just sit back and watch without having to worry about their winning conditions.

[Korlat]

Whoever just placed C9U, if you're willing to buy G37O and G42B, then I'll do what you're asking. Otherwise I don't have the money to pay for the monument up front.

[Galayn Lord]

Anthras, on 13 April 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

So let's talk about lynching.

I don't think Merrid is a good lynch, because people know his identity, so he seems a likely target for NAs.

Korlat for the same reason, though no one knows his identity yet, so it doesn't apply yet.

I would actually like Okaros for a lynch (yes, a low-poster, I know )


Yesterday he said the following:

Okaros, on 12 April 2012 - 02:24 AM, said:

Well I think that at least for me. I have spent way more time trying to figure out the trading workings and whether it would be worth it to try to build basic things or to trade for them, that I have seriously neglected posting on the thread. I am hoping that this was the case for a lot of people and so we will see more activity on the forum tomorrow.

so it would be fair to assume that he would say a little bit more today, but his fist post had been this

Okaros, on 13 April 2012 - 01:23 AM, said:

I am here. Going to quietly pad my post count while I try to figure out what is going one.

and it was exactly what he did.

Okaros, on 13 April 2012 - 02:21 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 13 April 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:

Okaros, on 13 April 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 13 April 2012 - 01:48 AM, said:

Okaros, on 13 April 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 13 April 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

PLEASE don't patronize ME.

You do know where you are and what your playing right. Asking not to be patronized is like asking people not to make bullshit cases or for their to only be middle of the pack posters and no low or high posters.

Ur rite. fuk me. I r stoopid.

I would happily if you look like this


If not. Then I will have to pass this time.

Uh no thanks... I withdraw the offer.

well you do know what your missing

This are half of his post today and the other half is about Merrid being stressed.
Really? Helpful much?

[Korabas]

As much as I hate agreeing with Alkend, I like his idea the best. That is, If we are going to lynch. I am still not sure removing production, and Dinari from the game is a good idea just yet. Of course, I am not the one who purchased the Merrid info, so I have no way of knowing if he is on my team or not. If I knew he wasn't on my team, I would probably be more open to the idea of a lynch in general... though still hesitant. When we start going down the road of removing people, dinari, and production from the game, if you haven't set yourself up well...you could have a tough road to hoe.

[Atrahal]

Korabas, on 13 April 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

As much as I hate agreeing with Alkend, I like his idea the best. That is, If we are going to lynch. I am still not sure removing production, and Dinari from the game is a good idea just yet. Of course, I am not the one who purchased the Merrid info, so I have no way of knowing if he is on my team or not. If I knew he wasn't on my team, I would probably be more open to the idea of a lynch in general... though still hesitant. When we start going down the road of removing people, dinari, and production from the game, if you haven't set yourself up well...you could have a tough road to hoe.

Er, Alkend? Has he said anything recently? Did you mean to put someone else's name there? Or did you mean you agree with the idea of voting FOR Alkend, like Tiam has done? Confusion abounds.

[Karatallid]

Korabas, on 13 April 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

As much as I hate agreeing with Alkend, I like his idea the best. That is, If we are going to lynch. I am still not sure removing production, and Dinari from the game is a good idea just yet. Of course, I am not the one who purchased the Merrid info, so I have no way of knowing if he is on my team or not. If I knew he wasn't on my team, I would probably be more open to the idea of a lynch in general... though still hesitant. When we start going down the road of removing people, dinari, and production from the game, if you haven't set yourself up well...you could have a tough road to hoe.

I'm agreeing with you. If we lynch, I'd like to think that I'm getting an assassin at this point.

[Anthras]

Atrahal, on 13 April 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Just to play devil's advocate, what if we DID lynch Merrid? Then anyone who paid to get his information would no longer have any advantage over those who didn't pay to find out, and it confirms whether or not Merrid was telling the truth when he semi-revealed earlier. Also, it's just as possible that the people who learned Merrid's faction/info are on his team, so they would not use NA's on him - except for instance, what if someone with a Heal found out that Merrid was on their team? And then someone else tried to use a NA against him like Assassination? Lot of complexities there. But lynching Merrid sort of removes them and punishes those who paid for the info and also punishes whoever did the Find by not being able to sell the info anymore. They did make some cash, but they couldn't do it any longer.

Don't get me wrong - I'm speaking hypothetically to these types of scenarios. I mean, it could be a way to try to get someone lynched, by selling their info on the Bazaar, because once you are known in a faction game your value decreases or increases, depending on who knows and whether or not they are on your team.

So how do we approach lynches in this game, apart from the standard method?

It -kinda- punished the person who performed the find. But at the same time, if they had found one of their own team, they probably wouldn't have offered to sell the information.

I see your point, though. I'm not sure which to go with atm.


I agree with the general sentiment that it would be nice to lynch someone that is more combat oriented than market or defensive. But there's no way to tell right now.

[Galayn Lord]

Atrahal, on 13 April 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Anthras, on 13 April 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

So let's talk about lynching.

I don't think Merrid is a good lynch, because people know his identity, so he seems a likely target for NAs.

Korlat for the same reason, though no one knows his identity yet, so it doesn't apply yet.

Just to play devil's advocate, what if we DID lynch Merrid? Then anyone who paid to get his information would no longer have any advantage over those who didn't pay to find out, and it confirms whether or not Merrid was telling the truth when he semi-revealed earlier. Also, it's just as possible that the people who learned Merrid's faction/info are on his team, so they would not use NA's on him - except for instance, what if someone with a Heal found out that Merrid was on their team? And then someone else tried to use a NA against him like Assassination? Lot of complexities there. But lynching Merrid sort of removes them and punishes those who paid for the info and also punishes whoever did the Find by not being able to sell the info anymore. They did make some cash, but they couldn't do it any longer.

Don't get me wrong - I'm speaking hypothetically to these types of scenarios. I mean, it could be a way to try to get someone lynched, by selling their info on the Bazaar, because once you are known in a faction game your value decreases or increases, depending on who knows and whether or not they are on your team.

So how do we approach lynches in this game, apart from the standard method?

The danger I see when we are going this way, is that we only lynch people about whom the information on the market was sold. After all people will most likely do more find at night and might try to sell them.
And all we learn from that, is that the player was found by someone not on his team.

[Karatallid]

Anthras, on 13 April 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 13 April 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Just to play devil's advocate, what if we DID lynch Merrid? Then anyone who paid to get his information would no longer have any advantage over those who didn't pay to find out, and it confirms whether or not Merrid was telling the truth when he semi-revealed earlier. Also, it's just as possible that the people who learned Merrid's faction/info are on his team, so they would not use NA's on him - except for instance, what if someone with a Heal found out that Merrid was on their team? And then someone else tried to use a NA against him like Assassination? Lot of complexities there. But lynching Merrid sort of removes them and punishes those who paid for the info and also punishes whoever did the Find by not being able to sell the info anymore. They did make some cash, but they couldn't do it any longer.

Don't get me wrong - I'm speaking hypothetically to these types of scenarios. I mean, it could be a way to try to get someone lynched, by selling their info on the Bazaar, because once you are known in a faction game your value decreases or increases, depending on who knows and whether or not they are on your team.

So how do we approach lynches in this game, apart from the standard method?

It -kinda- punished the person who performed the find. But at the same time, if they had found one of their own team, they probably wouldn't have offered to sell the information.

I see your point, though. I'm not sure which to go with atm.


I agree with the general sentiment that it would be nice to lynch someone that is more combat oriented than market or defensive. But there's no way to tell right now.

True... I'm thinking we make use of our enterprising finder, without letting them earn too much on the ability. Perhaps make them lower their prices a little.

[Anthras]

Finders, even, unless they have 2 finds and got both Merrid and Korlat.

I don't think we can make them do anything, really. But I'm willing to give Merrid and Korlat a slide for tonight, see if they become the target of killers, and if not we'll deal with the finder situation tomorrow.

Right now, I'm going to read back through carefully, shouldn't take long, see if there's anything.

[Atrahal]

Karatallid, on 13 April 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

Korabas, on 13 April 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

As much as I hate agreeing with Alkend, I like his idea the best. That is, If we are going to lynch. I am still not sure removing production, and Dinari from the game is a good idea just yet. Of course, I am not the one who purchased the Merrid info, so I have no way of knowing if he is on my team or not. If I knew he wasn't on my team, I would probably be more open to the idea of a lynch in general... though still hesitant. When we start going down the road of removing people, dinari, and production from the game, if you haven't set yourself up well...you could have a tough road to hoe.

I'm agreeing with you. If we lynch, I'd like to think that I'm getting an assassin at this point.

I'm still confused by this, are you guys saying you both think we should lynch Alkend?

[Korabas]

Atrahal, on 13 April 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

Korabas, on 13 April 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

As much as I hate agreeing with Alkend, I like his idea the best. That is, If we are going to lynch. I am still not sure removing production, and Dinari from the game is a good idea just yet. Of course, I am not the one who purchased the Merrid info, so I have no way of knowing if he is on my team or not. If I knew he wasn't on my team, I would probably be more open to the idea of a lynch in general... though still hesitant. When we start going down the road of removing people, dinari, and production from the game, if you haven't set yourself up well...you could have a tough road to hoe.

Er, Alkend? Has he said anything recently? Did you mean to put someone else's name there? Or did you mean you agree with the idea of voting FOR Alkend, like Tiam has done? Confusion abounds.

ah god dammit... I meant Atrahal not Alkend.. Hence the "as much as I hate agreeing with" I was basically saying that I think your idea has merit IF we decide that lynching is the way to go today. (which i am leaning away from doing)

Stupid A and K names.

[Atrahal]

Korabas, on 13 April 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 13 April 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

Korabas, on 13 April 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

As much as I hate agreeing with Alkend, I like his idea the best. That is, If we are going to lynch. I am still not sure removing production, and Dinari from the game is a good idea just yet. Of course, I am not the one who purchased the Merrid info, so I have no way of knowing if he is on my team or not. If I knew he wasn't on my team, I would probably be more open to the idea of a lynch in general... though still hesitant. When we start going down the road of removing people, dinari, and production from the game, if you haven't set yourself up well...you could have a tough road to hoe.

Er, Alkend? Has he said anything recently? Did you mean to put someone else's name there? Or did you mean you agree with the idea of voting FOR Alkend, like Tiam has done? Confusion abounds.

ah god dammit... I meant Atrahal not Alkend.. Hence the "as much as I hate agreeing with" I was basically saying that I think your idea has merit IF we decide that lynching is the way to go today. (which i am leaning away from doing)

Stupid A and K names.

Ahhh, ok. Confusion dispelled.

[Korlat]

I'm also not sure that Merrid lynching is the way to go. Partly out of self-interest (if you lynch players who have information available about them in the bazaar, then I'd be next in line ), and partly because it feels like a waste. As others have said, Merrid would seem the obvious candidate for night actions from those who have purchased the information, and it will be instructive to see what happens to them overnight.

[Atrahal]

Korlat, on 13 April 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

I'm also not sure that Merrid lynching is the way to go. Partly out of self-interest (if you lynch players who have information available about them in the bazaar, then I'd be next in line ), and partly because it feels like a waste. As others have said, Merrid would seem the obvious candidate for night actions from those who have purchased the information, and it will be instructive to see what happens to them overnight.

Yeah, I mean, I actually agree here, seeing if night actions go through would be really informative, and now we know some people have enough information to target a specific person. But then again, all it takes is one dude with a Heal ability to buy that info as well, and if he gets lucky enough that Merrid is either on his "side" of the faction war, he could essentially prevent any NAs from killing Merrid. Also, Merrid has semi-revealed and that could also play into how the NAs resolve. But there's really no way to know, this is just speculation, so it may be a good idea to wait one more night and see what happens.

I did want to put the idea out there though, because it would either discourage the use of selling the Find information or if it continues, eventually someone will buy the info and know the person is on their team, and so of course will be resistant to voting for them. That would also reveal a lot about player alignments. So there's some merit to the idea but I'm not saying it's the best plan for tonight.

[Korlat]

I''ll be back in half an hour or so with some more thoughts on lynching. Ciao for now!