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#141 Guest_Fool_*
Posted 23 November 2004 - 08:00 AM
I think thats because some authors are less lazy than others...
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Posted 17 March 2005 - 04:08 AM
Right, stop that (in best Monty Python voice) this is just getting silly. I reckon it's about time we agreed to wait for GRRM to bring out the next book (whenever that will be) and judge it when it comes. It is my guess that it will be as brilliant as the others and we will eventually all agree that it was worth the wait. Cannot blame the guy for wanting to get it right, and the weight of expectation must be enormous.
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Posted 21 January 2005 - 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Fool:
1300 pages and he isnt done yet!?
Since this book will definitely be split like the last one, cant he release the first half now at least?
I think we can assume he means manuscript pages on his PC sot he number of pages in the book will be smaller.
Just to put into perspective how long he has been writing this novel this is the work Erikson has published since Storm of Swords
Deadhouse Gates
Memories of Ice
House of Chains
Midnight Tides
Blood Follows
The Healthy Dead
When She's Gone (as Steve Lupin)
Devil Delivered
Fishing With Grandma Matchie
The Bonehunters
Admittedly the last novel has not been published yet but Erikson is closer to finishing it then Martin is to finishing Feast.
#144 Guest_AR_*
Posted 22 November 2004 - 02:38 PM
Seeing as I can't be bothered to read 29 pages, can someone please tell me why we hate George RR Martin so much, does it go beyond -
a. Hes fat
b. He keeps changing the release dates on his books.
a. Hes fat
b. He keeps changing the release dates on his books.
#145 Guest_bluesman_*
Posted 17 December 2004 - 10:54 PM
I must say that all this name calling(about George RR Martin) is a bit annoying to read.
Imagine Michelangelo having annoying "fans" calling him names and constantly badgering him with things like "When are you finished?" while trying to finish the Sixtinth Chapel? I'm not comparing GRRM with Michelangelo but writing a book is still a Creative Art; Which means that no writer/artist with any self respect would any release anything until he or she is fully satisfied(while keeping any "fans" away with a 12 foot stick). Or until they run out of bread perhaps
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Well; Michelangelo did have his "fans", only they were called Bishops and Popes, constantly trying to tell him how he should work and at what speed.
I don't see what the hurry is anyway, doesn't everyone here have a backlog of sorts to read through? If not fantasy then surelly regular fiction or something else.
And btw I'm an Atheist but still a GRRM fan(and Erikson of course).
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Imagine Michelangelo having annoying "fans" calling him names and constantly badgering him with things like "When are you finished?" while trying to finish the Sixtinth Chapel? I'm not comparing GRRM with Michelangelo but writing a book is still a Creative Art; Which means that no writer/artist with any self respect would any release anything until he or she is fully satisfied(while keeping any "fans" away with a 12 foot stick). Or until they run out of bread perhaps
.Well; Michelangelo did have his "fans", only they were called Bishops and Popes, constantly trying to tell him how he should work and at what speed.
I don't see what the hurry is anyway, doesn't everyone here have a backlog of sorts to read through? If not fantasy then surelly regular fiction or something else.
And btw I'm an Atheist but still a GRRM fan(and Erikson of course).
BM
#146 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 26 January 2005 - 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by Marduk:
Meh.
Plus I dont like Martin anyway. *shrugs*
So you complain about the release dates for authors you don't like? How does that make you less pathetic?
#147 Guest_Mithfânion_*
Posted 01 May 2004 - 10:40 AM
Drake
I'm not even talking about Tolkien's publisher. I'm talking about the man himself and the duration of time it took to write LotR. Care to take another stab at it?
You are aware of the fact that, entirely unlike George RR Martin, who is a full-time writer, JRR Tolkien was an English professor, which was also a full-time job?
I can only assume that you're not aware of the fact that he wrote the LoTR, the Hobbit and much of the Silmarillion in his spare time, otherwise you would never have made the comparison.
Which doesn't even take into account that, posthumously, thirteen more books filled with writings of his world were published.
Dark Daze
He may not publish books between installments of ASOIAF, but a lot of people haven't read his other works and could always try to gat a hold of it. I still haven't read his vampire/steamboat novel.
Not really. You compared the delay for Feast to Stephen King's Gunslinger books, but Loose pointed out that he wrote many books in between, which, as you admitted is a fair point. That Martin has written stories prior to ASOIAF is entirely clear, but that is entirely unrelated to the point of debate, which was the fact in-between volumes of ASOIAF, he is writing no other books, and still taking ages, unlike King.
I'm not even talking about Tolkien's publisher. I'm talking about the man himself and the duration of time it took to write LotR. Care to take another stab at it?
You are aware of the fact that, entirely unlike George RR Martin, who is a full-time writer, JRR Tolkien was an English professor, which was also a full-time job?
I can only assume that you're not aware of the fact that he wrote the LoTR, the Hobbit and much of the Silmarillion in his spare time, otherwise you would never have made the comparison.
Which doesn't even take into account that, posthumously, thirteen more books filled with writings of his world were published.
Dark Daze
He may not publish books between installments of ASOIAF, but a lot of people haven't read his other works and could always try to gat a hold of it. I still haven't read his vampire/steamboat novel.
Not really. You compared the delay for Feast to Stephen King's Gunslinger books, but Loose pointed out that he wrote many books in between, which, as you admitted is a fair point. That Martin has written stories prior to ASOIAF is entirely clear, but that is entirely unrelated to the point of debate, which was the fact in-between volumes of ASOIAF, he is writing no other books, and still taking ages, unlike King.
#148 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 29 April 2004 - 03:04 AM
Almost inevitable?
Speak for yourselves...Martin can't win with you. However, a lot of people have no problem waiting.
No one complained about the last Gunslinger novel. How long did that take? 20 years?
Speak for yourselves...Martin can't win with you. However, a lot of people have no problem waiting.
No one complained about the last Gunslinger novel. How long did that take? 20 years?
#149 Guest_Fool_*
Posted 21 January 2005 - 05:07 AM
1300 pages and he isnt done yet!?
Since this book will definitely be split like the last one, cant he release the first half now at least?
Since this book will definitely be split like the last one, cant he release the first half now at least?
#150 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 02 December 2004 - 10:06 PM
More Patrick Sullivan's review:
Martin's characters in ASOIAF are actually more likeable than other fantasy characters because they are easier to relate. Typically, fantasy authors have characters that are unrealistically romanticized. Moreover, unlike Donaldson's Thomas Covenant (which apparently is on the Patrick Sullivan OK list), Martin's characters all have many strengths worthy of admiration e.g. looks, sword skills, eloquence, unsuspected compassion, uncompromising determination...
Furthermore, it is strange that a reviewer who is a fan of the Thomas Covenant stories would dismiss ASOIAF because the characters are too dark or gray when most of the fans of the Covenant series embrace it because they love Donaldson's use of the antihero. Perhaps Mr. Sullivan is oblivious to the moral ambiguity of the Covenant series. Otherwise, how can he credibly claim that moral ambiguity "makes for an extremely blah story"?
How can someone find Jordan's cast of juvenile world shakers more believable than Martin's tragic heros and villains?
"The motivations and actions of the characters are completely unbelievable. That his characters' responses to them are so flat goes far beyond the bounds of credibility. Fantasy setting or not, people are simply not like this."
Really? And Rand from the Eye of the World series acted the way people normally do after being kidnapped and locked in box??? Rand's leniency to the point of absurdity when it comes to women is normal? (Patrick Sullivan, wake up! Watch a rerun of Cops. Realize that the domestic violence statistics in the US have come long after women's liberation and that women didn't even have it so good in the Middle Ages.)
"How much familial loyalty would a real man have left if his father had the young man's girlfriend raped by an entire company of soldiers (including the young man's brother) because she was unworthy of their family? "
As much loyalty as a woman would have if she were raped by a leper?
Is it so unbelievable that a dwarven misfit who spent his life vying for acceptance would place the family who he sought acceptance from above all else?
"No author who understands human nature so little can have much of interest to say."
So the the constant henpecking and temper tandrums of the women in WOT is typical human nature? Both genders constantly claiming confusion over the other gender is interesting?
This is an interesting review Fool? The only interesting thing about it is that Patrick worked in the word defenestrated. I guess that comes from reading years of Donaldson...
Martin's characters in ASOIAF are actually more likeable than other fantasy characters because they are easier to relate. Typically, fantasy authors have characters that are unrealistically romanticized. Moreover, unlike Donaldson's Thomas Covenant (which apparently is on the Patrick Sullivan OK list), Martin's characters all have many strengths worthy of admiration e.g. looks, sword skills, eloquence, unsuspected compassion, uncompromising determination...
Furthermore, it is strange that a reviewer who is a fan of the Thomas Covenant stories would dismiss ASOIAF because the characters are too dark or gray when most of the fans of the Covenant series embrace it because they love Donaldson's use of the antihero. Perhaps Mr. Sullivan is oblivious to the moral ambiguity of the Covenant series. Otherwise, how can he credibly claim that moral ambiguity "makes for an extremely blah story"?
How can someone find Jordan's cast of juvenile world shakers more believable than Martin's tragic heros and villains?
"The motivations and actions of the characters are completely unbelievable. That his characters' responses to them are so flat goes far beyond the bounds of credibility. Fantasy setting or not, people are simply not like this."
Really? And Rand from the Eye of the World series acted the way people normally do after being kidnapped and locked in box??? Rand's leniency to the point of absurdity when it comes to women is normal? (Patrick Sullivan, wake up! Watch a rerun of Cops. Realize that the domestic violence statistics in the US have come long after women's liberation and that women didn't even have it so good in the Middle Ages.)
"How much familial loyalty would a real man have left if his father had the young man's girlfriend raped by an entire company of soldiers (including the young man's brother) because she was unworthy of their family? "
As much loyalty as a woman would have if she were raped by a leper?
Is it so unbelievable that a dwarven misfit who spent his life vying for acceptance would place the family who he sought acceptance from above all else?
"No author who understands human nature so little can have much of interest to say."
So the the constant henpecking and temper tandrums of the women in WOT is typical human nature? Both genders constantly claiming confusion over the other gender is interesting?
This is an interesting review Fool? The only interesting thing about it is that Patrick worked in the word defenestrated. I guess that comes from reading years of Donaldson...
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Posted 06 December 2004 - 01:46 AM
@zollo the post was long enough without quoting yourself twice 
#152 Guest_Pale Remnants_*
Posted 09 April 2004 - 01:54 AM
The latest episode of the hedge Knight out now.
Latest news...shame that the GRRM retrpspective wil not get a larger audience.
"LAST CHANCE FOR GRRM
April 7, 2004
Bill Schaefer of Subterranean Press has informed me that as of April 5, he has only twenty (20) copies left of the signed, numbered, limited edition of GRRM: A RRETROSPECTIVE. The trade hardcover sold out on publication, last September. The forthcoming super-deluxe lettered edition was fully subscribed well before that. So when these last twenty copies of the numbered edition of GRRM are gone, the book will only be available through ABE, ebay, and other dealers in rare and collectible second-hand books.
Will there be a second printing of the trade hardcover? Yes, possibly, but that's far from definite, and in any case won't be for some time. Will the book be reprinted in paperback? Probably not. With a half a million words and all those illustrations, it's too large and too expensive a project for most paperback publishers to tackle.
In other words, if you'd like to add the RRETROSPECTIVE to your collection, best go to the Subterreanean website and order now."
Latest news...shame that the GRRM retrpspective wil not get a larger audience.
"LAST CHANCE FOR GRRM
April 7, 2004
Bill Schaefer of Subterranean Press has informed me that as of April 5, he has only twenty (20) copies left of the signed, numbered, limited edition of GRRM: A RRETROSPECTIVE. The trade hardcover sold out on publication, last September. The forthcoming super-deluxe lettered edition was fully subscribed well before that. So when these last twenty copies of the numbered edition of GRRM are gone, the book will only be available through ABE, ebay, and other dealers in rare and collectible second-hand books.
Will there be a second printing of the trade hardcover? Yes, possibly, but that's far from definite, and in any case won't be for some time. Will the book be reprinted in paperback? Probably not. With a half a million words and all those illustrations, it's too large and too expensive a project for most paperback publishers to tackle.
In other words, if you'd like to add the RRETROSPECTIVE to your collection, best go to the Subterreanean website and order now."
#153 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 24 November 2004 - 01:10 PM
Studying for the Bar Exam (test to become an attorney) and I'm reading Don Quixote.
I'm also now officially a Samurai Champloo and Initial D addict (both are anime, but Champloo is only available fansubbed.)
Most of the other stuff I do is boring like shooting bar pool, going on hikes, playing racquetball, and slithering around dive bars.
I'm also now officially a Samurai Champloo and Initial D addict (both are anime, but Champloo is only available fansubbed.)
Most of the other stuff I do is boring like shooting bar pool, going on hikes, playing racquetball, and slithering around dive bars.
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Posted 27 April 2004 - 10:01 PM
Hmmm... I actually feel Martin's books are a lot less stand alone than Jordan's. Which is why I'm frustrated - lots still left hanging. Thankfully SE hates leaving thins on cliffhangers too! If you're gonna leave cliffhangers, just give some answers before 4 years have passed! Sure the series is great, but people get university degrees in less time! And the thing is, the only other work produced is one short story! I think it'll be out christmas, and I think that's what his publishers want too. Grr.
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#155 Guest_Mithfânion_*
Posted 30 April 2004 - 05:09 AM
I'm enjoying your rants Loose, similar thoughts from my end.
Which is not to say I won't be dribbling with anticipation once the book is nearly published, but at the moment I couldn't be more disappointed. However, having read almost all of the preview chapters already I can say with certainty that at least his quality isn't on the decline. Just unfortunate to learn that the next book isn't going to come out this year.
Which is not to say I won't be dribbling with anticipation once the book is nearly published, but at the moment I couldn't be more disappointed. However, having read almost all of the preview chapters already I can say with certainty that at least his quality isn't on the decline. Just unfortunate to learn that the next book isn't going to come out this year.
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Posted 22 October 2004 - 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by RodeoRanch:
I suspect that's what his heart is going to be thinking in a few years.
OUCH!!!!!! Really swinging below the belt there! Or right about at belt level...
OK, I think I got it, but just in case, can you say the whole thing over again? I wasn't really listening.
#157 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 02 December 2004 - 03:01 PM
What Fool didn't tell you...
The Last paragraph of Patrick Sullivan's review:
To compare Martin to Tolkien, or to Herbert or Donaldson, is to lose all credibility. Donaldson at his 25 year-old, strained-vocabulary worst was infinitely the better writer. Thrones and its successors should be avoided at all costs. Instead, go with Tad Williams, Michael Scott Rohan, Jack Vance, or early Raymond Feist.
[Tad Williams and Raymond Feist...Whatever]
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He says this about Robert Jordan in his 4 star review of New Spring:
All in all, though, New Spring represents a refreshing return by the once (and future?) king of epic fantasy to the style that won him so many fans a decade ago. If Jordan's writing renaissance carries over to book 11 of the Wheel and beyond, his fans will regard this prequel detour as a very fortunate diversion.
The Last paragraph of Patrick Sullivan's review:
To compare Martin to Tolkien, or to Herbert or Donaldson, is to lose all credibility. Donaldson at his 25 year-old, strained-vocabulary worst was infinitely the better writer. Thrones and its successors should be avoided at all costs. Instead, go with Tad Williams, Michael Scott Rohan, Jack Vance, or early Raymond Feist.
[Tad Williams and Raymond Feist...Whatever]
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He says this about Robert Jordan in his 4 star review of New Spring:
All in all, though, New Spring represents a refreshing return by the once (and future?) king of epic fantasy to the style that won him so many fans a decade ago. If Jordan's writing renaissance carries over to book 11 of the Wheel and beyond, his fans will regard this prequel detour as a very fortunate diversion.
#158 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 06 December 2004 - 01:58 AM
Don't quote this, but on the average, Martin fans are smarter, better looking, and about 3 inches taller than the fans of Robert Jordan. Just kidding, you can quote me.
