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not Jaime, tough he's great
not Jaquen, tough he is also great
then who is the best of the best?
of course, Tyrion Lannister! He absolutely ROCKS THE HOUSE
oh and I have to say I've started to like Littlefinger after reading Blood And Gold... he did what he should with that fat annoying b!tc#
Oppna gapet i ryndend mitt
Floda av blod fran Ymers kropp
Varldar skapas utav hans kott
Nio till antal pa Yggdrasil.
George RR Martin
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#321
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Posted 28 January 2003 - 02:44 PM
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
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Posted 20 March 2004 - 12:11 PM
yeah, but I've got a feeling Feast for Crows won't come out before Duke Nukem Forever.... 
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The wind blows, but nothing moves in the place of the glittering stone.
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- "Tell your friends that I don't need their secret book, nor their glyph warnings nor their messengers. Tell them I'm through. Tell them it's over. Tell them: Garret is done."
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The wind blows, but nothing moves in the place of the glittering stone.
After dark, the wind dies. After dark, silence rules...
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Crown of the Deck of Dragons
Ice Throne of the Ice Hold
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
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Posted 17 February 2004 - 09:53 AM
I just picked up "Legends II" in Bargain Books for £4.99 and it has a new (rather long) short story about Dunk and Egg!Muwuhahaha!
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Victory is mine!
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Posted 15 February 2004 - 02:02 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Wimbold:
Go ahead and take a couple years off, Georgie boy!
*Shoots Winbold*
Please don't say things like that you'll ony encourage his inactivity, its not about whether we arealive before he finishes its whether he's alive before he's finished. He's like Jordon in that respect!
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To be is to do - Plato
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#325 Guest_The Shadowlord_*
Posted 29 March 2003 - 01:00 PM
@oOo: Cliched heroes wielding huge sword, magical sword and basicalls David Eddings
i myself would put him under Spectulative Fiction along with Mieville and Erikson.
Shadowed, Ruined, Relinquished, Lost.
i myself would put him under Spectulative Fiction along with Mieville and Erikson.
Shadowed, Ruined, Relinquished, Lost.
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Posted 13 February 2003 - 07:22 AM
dont use mine stylee unless i say you can Twist...(!)
But yes, isn't it incredable?
Bow before thy master, the warlord of irregulars.
But yes, isn't it incredable?
Bow before thy master, the warlord of irregulars.
O xein', angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti têde; keimetha tois keinon rhémasi peithomenoi.
#327 Guest_Pale Remnants_*
Posted 16 March 2003 - 02:05 AM
@SL.Mieville, writes in what is now known as "Speculative fiction".
See here for more,
http://www.fantastic...html?ey,death,1
Getting back to,GRRMs "Arms Of the Kraken" Novella.The theme of the "Kingsmoot" appears.( Where a king is chosen not by combat or birthright, but with an oratory contest to convince his subjects he is the correct choice to rule).
Has this been mentioned or used in SOIAF before...?
The Green Man has returned as the living face of the whole earth .
See here for more,
http://www.fantastic...html?ey,death,1
Getting back to,GRRMs "Arms Of the Kraken" Novella.The theme of the "Kingsmoot" appears.( Where a king is chosen not by combat or birthright, but with an oratory contest to convince his subjects he is the correct choice to rule).
Has this been mentioned or used in SOIAF before...?
The Green Man has returned as the living face of the whole earth .
#328 Guest_The Shadowlord_*
Posted 12 July 2003 - 12:47 AM
bah, would have been better to buy Mieville's first book
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Of the wisdom of old men, but rather of their folly,
Their fear of fear and frenzy, their fear of possesion,
Of belonging to another, or to others, or to God."
T.S. Elliot - Four Quartets - East Coker - II
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"Do not let me hear
Of the wisdom of old men, but rather of their folly,
Their fear of fear and frenzy, their fear of possesion,
Of belonging to another, or to others, or to God."
T.S. Elliot - Four Quartets - East Coker - II
#329 Guest_LooseCannon_*
Posted 08 July 2003 - 04:56 AM
Well put, Ben. I concur.
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I know what you're thinking: "Did he fire six shots, or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But, being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya punk?
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I know what you're thinking: "Did he fire six shots, or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But, being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya punk?
#330 Guest_Jon_Snow_*
Posted 05 February 2003 - 07:21 PM
Yes indeed there is Caladanbrood. Go to George R.R. Martin's homepage (georgerrmartin.com) and in the "Links" section there is a link to an amazing ezboard. This place is HUGE. Almost 3000 resident members who love to speculate on ASoIaF.
But beware of spoilers! I would suggest you read the first three books before you get too heavily involved in the site.
There are even major spoilers from the upcoming Book 4, A Feast for Crows.
As you might have guessed, I am a member there. A great place, trust me.
But beware of spoilers! I would suggest you read the first three books before you get too heavily involved in the site.
There are even major spoilers from the upcoming Book 4, A Feast for Crows.
As you might have guessed, I am a member there. A great place, trust me.
#331 Guest_Aan`allein_*
Posted 30 August 2002 - 03:40 PM
Although there are some good aspects about ASoIaF, I generally speaking couldn't care less about the series. In the entire first book, there was only one character I cared about: Arya (well, okay, Syrio was cool too for the short bit he was there).
Almost every single character in this series is a mean vicious cruel bastard (usually literally - and why the hell is ****** a word you can't say here??) - with only one token family of good guys. Some people call this realism. Sure, in the real world there are people who never do anything for someone else if it doesn't directly benefit them - but in the real world you can also expect to every now and then come across a friendly face. Not so in ASoIaF - random strangers along the road are a guarantee for trouble.
Itty gritty and a dark world is good, but there's something like using it with moderation, and Martin has never heard of it. The same with the way he kills off his characters. Where Erikson does so with style, Martin goes solely for effect. If the effect on the reader of a particular character dying is at its maximum, you can be assured that the character will die. *yawn*
Then there are the ways Martin ends every single chapter with a cliffhanger (at least in ASoS). Cliffhangers that invariably are resovled in the most cheesy ways imaginable when you next return to that character (several hundred pages later). Also, I feel the PoV changes too often between too many characters. You never stay with anyone long enough to get to care about them.
Again, my feelings of this series aren't all negative. It's got the big scope, the interesting world, the prose that at times is more than halfway decent, and the story that seems to have quite some speed, but overall there's too much wrong with this series, and I feel more than anything else it's the shock effect of killing main characters that has gained Martin so many fans.
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Almost every single character in this series is a mean vicious cruel bastard (usually literally - and why the hell is ****** a word you can't say here??) - with only one token family of good guys. Some people call this realism. Sure, in the real world there are people who never do anything for someone else if it doesn't directly benefit them - but in the real world you can also expect to every now and then come across a friendly face. Not so in ASoIaF - random strangers along the road are a guarantee for trouble.
Itty gritty and a dark world is good, but there's something like using it with moderation, and Martin has never heard of it. The same with the way he kills off his characters. Where Erikson does so with style, Martin goes solely for effect. If the effect on the reader of a particular character dying is at its maximum, you can be assured that the character will die. *yawn*
Then there are the ways Martin ends every single chapter with a cliffhanger (at least in ASoS). Cliffhangers that invariably are resovled in the most cheesy ways imaginable when you next return to that character (several hundred pages later). Also, I feel the PoV changes too often between too many characters. You never stay with anyone long enough to get to care about them.
Again, my feelings of this series aren't all negative. It's got the big scope, the interesting world, the prose that at times is more than halfway decent, and the story that seems to have quite some speed, but overall there's too much wrong with this series, and I feel more than anything else it's the shock effect of killing main characters that has gained Martin so many fans.
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Posted 20 March 2003 - 02:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Monk:
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, don't have the time to go through all the posts on this thread. However in my copy of A Game of Thrones I looked in the book in the 'About the Author' part and it said that he was now working on the _third_ book of the series which would be called _A Dance of Dragons_. The funny thing was that on the inside of the cover it showed a picture of A Storm of Swords. Anybody know anything about this?
"Men who dare not fail cannot succeed."
As Pale mentioned, the picture was probably an error. But the name A Dance of Dragons was actually going to be the name of the book he was working on at the time (but I heard it was supposed to be the fourth, not third book). Last I heard (over a year ago, IIRC) he pushed that back to beyond A Feast for Crows, the forthcoming 4th book, because the plotlines in that book were more appropriate.
I thought I had seen a list of the future planned titles of his series somewhere, so I just checked his site. I found that under his bibliography, it seems to list A Dance with Dragons as the 4th book, The Winds of Winter 5th, with no mention of A Feast for Crows...guess someone has to update his site.
#333 Guest_korik_*
Posted 21 July 2003 - 04:49 PM
i agree about the boulder scene, a little bit too far i think. However i do love the series and have been waiting for the next book for ages. The only problem i have is that GRRM ha borrowed a lot from loads of different periods from history and thrown them all into one world. the ironmen seem far too similar to the vikings, khal drogo's horde are virtually identical to the mongols. the unsullied seem like the many medeval islamic state's warrior slaves.
#334 Guest_Niko III_*
Posted 18 February 2004 - 02:54 PM
Martin is quite good, not great literature, but quite good. Wether the cons are to blame for the abscence of the last book, who knows? I figure I can wait another 6 months, (seeing as I've got school and everything,) but how long is the series supposed to be? seven books? That'll take another six years, probably.
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"- all these Dark Lords intent on creating wastelands packed with enslaved victims... for what?"
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Jeder für Sich und Gott Gegen alle
"- all these Dark Lords intent on creating wastelands packed with enslaved victims... for what?"
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 12:57 PM
Ok - I am now officially in favour of getting some Ayatollah to declare a fatwah on the man until he gets off his arse and writes in something like a professional and timely fashion...
I mean, let's face it, people like Dickens and got paid by the word and to meet incredibly tight deadlines... What is the go with this guy?
I will be brutally honest and admit that Mr Martin is fast slipping down my list of authors... there is only so much time I am willing to wait before the next book comes out - I would like to still be in my 20s when he puts the fifth one out....
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I mean, let's face it, people like Dickens and got paid by the word and to meet incredibly tight deadlines... What is the go with this guy?
I will be brutally honest and admit that Mr Martin is fast slipping down my list of authors... there is only so much time I am willing to wait before the next book comes out - I would like to still be in my 20s when he puts the fifth one out....
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'Nuff said!
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Posted 22 February 2004 - 08:24 PM
Purple pills mate, purple pills.
;D
Well, I've always thought that GRRM comes off as a great bloke in interviews, but what else can he do but poke fun at himself? I think he realises that he might not be able to allow book 4 to have a life of its own if he wants it to fit in with his thoughts on book 5. Of course this book is necessary, because he didn't leave quite enough closure on the last book, and novels that do leave long periods of time in-between (e.g. Ships from the West) seem to disappoint a bit.
Geez, I'm babbling. At least he hasn't lost his sense of humour over the criticism (see Goodkind, although to be honest, we never actually extablished that he ever did have a sense of humour).
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Well, I've always thought that GRRM comes off as a great bloke in interviews, but what else can he do but poke fun at himself? I think he realises that he might not be able to allow book 4 to have a life of its own if he wants it to fit in with his thoughts on book 5. Of course this book is necessary, because he didn't leave quite enough closure on the last book, and novels that do leave long periods of time in-between (e.g. Ships from the West) seem to disappoint a bit.
Geez, I'm babbling. At least he hasn't lost his sense of humour over the criticism (see Goodkind, although to be honest, we never actually extablished that he ever did have a sense of humour).
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Posted 29 August 2003 - 06:54 AM
Latest piece of fluff from Captain Lazy.
The Hedge Knight Flash intro film ( If you do not have a fast connection don't bother )
http://www.roaringst...lash/index.html
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Hug a Cactusman today.
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The Hedge Knight Flash intro film ( If you do not have a fast connection don't bother )
http://www.roaringst...lash/index.html
EDIT>
Shock at worldcon as GRRM falls asleep at his own reading
Hug a Cactusman today.
http://baslag.proboa...2.com/index.cgi
[This message was edited by Pale Gumshoe on 31 August 2003 at 06:39 AM.]
#338 Guest_LooseCannon_*
Posted 21 July 2003 - 04:35 PM
@PUG - I thought the exact same thing when I read it. That boulder scene was a little over the top and didn't seem to fit into the grim reality of the series. Also the Brotherhood Without Banners or whatever they call themselves that Arya stumbled upon were WAY too similar to Robin Hood and his band of merry men. Also, the Red Wedding was too predictable. It was widely gossiped before aSoS came out that Robb was probably going to die. Now, having said that... I still love the series, and nothing is perfect. I think Clash of Kings was my favorite, though.
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Posted 12 September 2002 - 01:11 AM
I'm pretty sure its stated somewhere in the book Jon's his (i remember reading that part)...and yes i concur with your argument, that Martin's writing is more "realistic" then Jordan's (actually i think that that point is quite debatable, but we'll leave that to another time...), but i just cannnot connect with any of the characters and that is a very serious failing of his writng. For example, i can still connect with Erikson's characters, even though they are flawed too. That makes him a superior author in my eyes.
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Posted 04 April 2003 - 07:05 AM
from what i remeber i didnt think much of him, i dont know y but i found it hard to get into, i dont think he's anywhere near as good as erikson although i see where the comparisons come from
Shes been crying
and ive been thinking
and if your the queen of this town
then i am the king of the rain
Shes been crying
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and if your the queen of this town
then i am the king of the rain
