[Mockra]

Hmm, so voting wise we have
1 Tennes (Gamelon)
2 Gamelon (Tennes, Barghast)
1 Barghast ( Tellan)

that is a bit of a spread when there's only 9 people left. And we have a Finder reveal, real or fake and all.

I'm a little torn on what to do. My mind is constantly changing about to go with the Finder or not and vote either Tellan/Barghast.
Any other game its almost a sure thing to test the Finder reveal and vote Barghast, his reveal seems quite believable and it came out of the blue, he saw what happened when Rashan pulled the same stunt.

But thing is, Barghast as Ouchi recruiter doesn't make an aweful lot of sense either, he was harassing and voting Ruse, voting D'riss. To be the Ouchi recruiter he played a very hard game on his recruits some serious distancing. Unless there's a third cult out there, but thats just complicating matters.

And now we have cases on Gamelon and Tennes as well just to add complications, I find the Tennes one to be weaker, its almost like Tennes made a case on Gamelon so now Gamelon has made a case on Tennes to reteliate but you know its the case on Tennes is definitly not meritless. Gamelon is a tougher one, I'm not sure about him.

[Gamelon]

Yeah... I've noticed that

Edit: aimed at Barghast

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 03 April 2012 - 03:10 AM

[Gamelon]

Mockra, on 03 April 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

Hmm, so voting wise we have
1 Tennes (Gamelon)
2 Gamelon (Tennes, Barghast)
1 Barghast ( Tellan)

that is a bit of a spread when there's only 9 people left. And we have a Finder reveal, real or fake and all.

I'm a little torn on what to do. My mind is constantly changing about to go with the Finder or not and vote either Tellan/Barghast.
Any other game its almost a sure thing to test the Finder reveal and vote Barghast, his reveal seems quite believable and it came out of the blue, he saw what happened when Rashan pulled the same stunt.

But thing is, Barghast as Ouchi recruiter doesn't make an aweful lot of sense either, he was harassing and voting Ruse, voting D'riss. To be the Ouchi recruiter he played a very hard game on his recruits some serious distancing. Unless there's a third cult out there, but thats just complicating matters.

And now we have cases on Gamelon and Tennes as well just to add complications, I find the Tennes one to be weaker, its almost like Tennes made a case on Gamelon so now Gamelon has made a case on Tennes to reteliate but you know its the case on Tennes is definitly not meritless. Gamelon is a tougher one, I'm not sure about him.

It's not really retaliation. If the evidence led me to thinking that Tennes was a recruit and trying to distract us from his recruiter I'd have said so, rather than making a case on him as a tit for tat kind of thing. That's not the kind of play that appeals to me. Trying to figure out why Tennes would build a case on me, since I know that I'm not a recruiter is what led me to my vote.
I have been suspected as a recruiter a couple of times (let's face it, who hasn't in this game) but you'll see that I don't automatically turn around and vote on whoever is pointing fingers in my direction. I see that as careless, poor play, and rather unhelpful for everyone involved.

[Okaros]

I'm still not sure, Barghast, why you insist on treating this as D-day. The Ikki cult had three members when they were defeated. One of those had been poached from the Ouchi cult, if we believe Rashan (although his comments about D'riss were wrong, so I don't trust a lot of his reveal). Obviously, with so few people, they can't be recruiting every night. Unless Ouchi were incredibly lucky and managed to poach Ikki cult members without losing any of their own, I would say at this point that Ouchi could not reasonably have more than two members more than Ikki had when they were destroyed. Since two Ouchi members have already been lynched, that leaves two, maybe three at a stretch, Ouchi members for ton to deal wtih. Out of nine players still alive. Since you refuse to acknowledge the possibility of another cult, that makes only one third of the remaining players cult. Hardly anywhere close to D-day.

[Okaros]

Gamelon, on 03 April 2012 - 01:19 AM, said:

Um, why would I bring up the possibilty of a third cult if I was the third cult? Introducing the idea would not be in my interests as a third recruiter who's managed to keep their team hidden. Looking at my votes doesn't really support me being the Ouchi recruiter; Tennes is grasping at straws trying to make me look like cult.

Looking at my posts you'll see I was "around" for the D'riss lynch, if hopping on to say I wasn't really avaliable to play over the weekend and then noticing the lynch a bit later counts as "around". That was an incredible waste of a lynch. Quite frankly I think people either panicked, or it was scum driven, throwing D'riss under the bus as a way to gain an extra night for recruiting.

I'm wondering if Tennes and/or Tellen are worried that the fact that they've really not made waves at all in this game until now is suspicious. Barghast I'm sure is a recruit, and I'm thinking Tennes or Tellen is the recruiter.

Given what happened with Rashan, I think Tellen is Tennes' recruit, and that Tennes saw Tellen's "reveal" and is trying to keep attention from himself, in case we have a repeat of the Rashan/Atrahal scenario.

Vote Tennes

I'm not sure where you get the connection between Tellan and Tennes from. And the Rashan/Atrahal scenario? Which one was that?

Tellan and Tennes haven't been making a lot of waves (although I would say that Tennes' game has picked up a bit) but the same has been said of you, me, Mockra, Serc, Omtose. So again, not really seeing how you connected those two.

I'd like to hear further from Tennes bout his case on you before I judge, as he only made it to day 4. I've already said what I think of Barghast's posts, and I don't think we are nearly as close to D-day as Barghast and Tennes have been suggesting.

[Mockra]

Gamelon, on 03 April 2012 - 03:16 AM, said:

Mockra, on 03 April 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

Hmm, so voting wise we have
1 Tennes (Gamelon)
2 Gamelon (Tennes, Barghast)
1 Barghast ( Tellan)

that is a bit of a spread when there's only 9 people left. And we have a Finder reveal, real or fake and all.

I'm a little torn on what to do. My mind is constantly changing about to go with the Finder or not and vote either Tellan/Barghast.
Any other game its almost a sure thing to test the Finder reveal and vote Barghast, his reveal seems quite believable and it came out of the blue, he saw what happened when Rashan pulled the same stunt.

But thing is, Barghast as Ouchi recruiter doesn't make an aweful lot of sense either, he was harassing and voting Ruse, voting D'riss. To be the Ouchi recruiter he played a very hard game on his recruits some serious distancing. Unless there's a third cult out there, but thats just complicating matters.

And now we have cases on Gamelon and Tennes as well just to add complications, I find the Tennes one to be weaker, its almost like Tennes made a case on Gamelon so now Gamelon has made a case on Tennes to reteliate but you know its the case on Tennes is definitly not meritless. Gamelon is a tougher one, I'm not sure about him.

It's not really retaliation. If the evidence led me to thinking that Tennes was a recruit and trying to distract us from his recruiter I'd have said so, rather than making a case on him as a tit for tat kind of thing. That's not the kind of play that appeals to me. Trying to figure out why Tennes would build a case on me, since I know that I'm not a recruiter is what led me to my vote.
I have been suspected as a recruiter a couple of times (let's face it, who hasn't in this game) but you'll see that I don't automatically turn around and vote on whoever is pointing fingers in my direction. I see that as careless, poor play, and rather unhelpful for everyone involved.

I guess the thing about the case is the Tellan - Tennes connection you made there. I don't understand why Tennes would come out and make a case on someone else and not run with what Tellan is doing and keep his head down?

@Okaros, pretty sure Ouchi have lost at least 3, Ruse, Atrahal and D'riss. 4 if you believe Rashan was rerecruited. So that would mean if we were at D-day Ouchi would have to have at least recruited 6 people. And Ikko only managed 2 recruits in a little less time. Hmm that does seem unlikely doesn't it.

[Mockra]

Cross post with Okaros. I think Gamelon can you elaborate on the Tennes - Tellan connection you've made?

[Gamelon]

Rashan/Korvalain, not Atrahal. Not sure why I did that

Elaboration incoming

[Tellan]

Fuck sake.

Cards on the table.

I didn't think people would believe my reveal. I was counting on people thinking I was redirecting and going for Mockra. Who is actually scum. For proof that this was my intention, refer to my original reveal. Second letter of the sentences spells out "Mockra". sadly this failed, most likely because he has a ton of recruits.

He is the leader of a third cult, the Hosokawa.

[Tellan]

I'm pretty sure at this stage it's D-day.

This reveal will also most likely be a drive by because I'm on a friends computer and here for maybe ten minutes.

[Tellan]

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Also.

[Barghast]

Okaros, I'm assuming Ikki lost some people to Ouchi. a lot of people, in fact, if Ikki only had 2 in the end.
we're at 9 people right now. even if Ouchi has 3, by recruiting one more tonight they can force night and win, since there are no killers in play, since an non-ouchi lynch would leave us with 8 total.
are you going to tell me it's far-fetched that there's a team out there with 3 people on it?

Ikki only had 2. i'm assuming they've lost several people to Ouchi. it probably happened after the Ruse lynch.

[Barghast]

Tellan, on 03 April 2012 - 03:46 AM, said:

Fuck sake.

Cards on the table.

I didn't think people would believe my reveal. I was counting on people thinking I was redirecting and going for Mockra. Who is actually scum. For proof that this was my intention, refer to my original reveal. Second letter of the sentences spells out "Mockra". sadly this failed, most likely because he has a ton of recruits.

He is the leader of a third cult, the Hosokawa.

well then....

I did think you were redirecting from Mockra, btw.

[Tellan]

For the town, please consider why I would possibly reveal like this, under no pressure, with no one getting heat except Mockra earlier, if I wasn't telling the truth. It's just unlikely. I know people will be paranoid, and didn't expect to be believed which is why I tried to get Mockra lynched via trying to look like I was symping him instead of just revealing straight out at the start.

Apologies for the potential clusterfuck. Also apologies to Barg, who I chose because he wasn't getting much heat, so people would be less inclined to believe me.

[Tellan]

Barghast, on 03 April 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

Tellan, on 03 April 2012 - 03:46 AM, said:

Fuck sake.

Cards on the table.

I didn't think people would believe my reveal. I was counting on people thinking I was redirecting and going for Mockra. Who is actually scum. For proof that this was my intention, refer to my original reveal. Second letter of the sentences spells out "Mockra". sadly this failed, most likely because he has a ton of recruits.

He is the leader of a third cult, the Hosokawa.

well then....

I did think you were redirecting from Mockra, btw.

I was hoping someone would say as much and give me a chance to fake symp him to death. Sadly I'm not gonna be around much, so had to reveal again.

[Gamelon]

Well, this changes things...

[Tellan]

Also, I'm pretty sure Tennes is a recruit, and I would guess Gamelon and maybe Omtose too. Serc I'm uncertain about.

[Gamelon]

And it rings true, more so than the original reveal.

[Barghast]

Gamelon, on 03 April 2012 - 03:52 AM, said:

Well, this changes things...

to an extent
no guarantees he's not pulling a Rashan, after being turned....

[Gamelon]

Barghast, on 03 April 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 03 April 2012 - 03:52 AM, said:

Well, this changes things...

to an extent
no guarantees he's not pulling a Rashan, after being turned....

It's worth thinking about though

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