[Korvalain]

Barghast, on 22 March 2012 - 11:19 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 22 March 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 March 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

lol, yeah, I didn't see your remove vote in the wall of text you've made.

I find it admirable, but, like Kalse i question the probabtive value of something a symp has said/did not say.

also, it would've been better if you didn't omit yourself from the list of suspects. Whilst I realise that you certainly think you can't be the recruiter, the rest of us may not necessarily agree.

But you have to admit the striking simialities of the two lists that were gathered by two different people looking at two different sources of data. The fact that we have 3 players matching leads me to believe that we have a very good chance of finding our recruiter within them. Of the other two Okaros and Olar Ethil who do you think we should look at.

As for Ruse I'll take a look within my wall o posts. there were some comment that Khell made regarding Ruse/Mockra/Omtose that could have been sarcastic so I may have mistakenly removed Ruse from my list of suspects.

The one thing I will certainly agree on, is the fact that the people that pop up on both list have had little to none interaction wih Khell.

While it may seem rational to draw from this the conclusion that one of them must be his recruiter, it won't be strictly necessarily true. Khell is a veteran symp, he could easily ensure to attack his master in such away so as to make his attack both flimsy enough to be easily dismissed, and yet memorable enough to be considered as a "serious attack".

in particular, I really dislike that bitching post directed @ gamelon which boiled down to "who the fuck are you, you haven't done anything, it should be you here instead of me". If Gamelon was in fact, Khel's recruiter, and felt that people may start looking his way, he could've easiy sacrificed him to make sure he'd stay totally under the radar, as he still is. I'm not implying this is 100% proof that he's Atrahal's boss, but that's not somehting to discard easily either.

Gamelon is definately not off my radar. I just had to put him on hold because I feel we have a stronger case before us.

[Korvalain]

Right now I'll put my vote down for Olar Ethil just to have a valid second train to Ruse. I could go for either of them or Okaros or Barghast for that matter. I would really like to see some back and forth between all of them to get more confident as to who is the real recruiter. Unfortuantely I'm not likely to get on before time out.

vote Olar Ethil

[Omtose]

Wow some great work people. That was 45min catching up that felt worth the read. I will have my internet back in 24hrs and will be off this fucking phone.. I like the olar and ruse info. I will be off and on for the next six hrs. And will vote later.

[Olar Ethil]

Kalse, on 21 March 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

You know what you all sound like? After reading this last page you all sound like a bunch of recruits who are dragging their feet waiting for thier leader to come on and vote so they know what to do.

Atrahal, on 21 March 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

Barghast, on 21 March 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

gotta get changed and bounce in about 10 min.



anyone has any last-minute insight on whom else I should vote?

Put another vote on Tellan and see if that makes him show up.






In seriousness, I'm torn between voting D'riss, having been swayed somewhat by Ruse's comments, and voting Omtose. The reason I haven't voted Omtose yet is because no one aside from Olar is really feeling it, and he has zero votes. I am loath at this point to vote on someone completely new.

Okaros, on 21 March 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

I could go for an Omtose lynch. I don't feel like he adequately explained his comment about how many scum there are. Also, I an always suspicious of those who come on only to answer cases against them, without commenting on what else is going on.

I'll be around until time out to change if necessary, but for now

remove vote

vote Omtose

EDIT: to make the bold work.

Ruse, on 21 March 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

You know what...


remove vote
Vote omtose


guy seems a bit wishy washy.
His OTT reactions last night...and his general play all fit in as possible cult trying too hard to seem normal.
Plus the way he drifts in and out of the game with his strange comments.



good night...i have to get up in like 4 hours.

Atrahal, on 21 March 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

Let's do it then.


Remove Vote

Vote Omtose


Oh Okaros, you need to bold your vote.

Tennes, on 21 March 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

I also just thought that if Serc vigged Venge then why are we looking at Venge's posts to find out who would have killed him?

Vote Omtose

Olar Ethil, on 21 March 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Omtose, on 21 March 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Oh and before I'm lynched and can't post any more. The lot of you fucktards can go fuck your selves....aaaah. I'm feeling better already.

Well that's just mean.

Rashan, on 21 March 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

Omtose is not going to come up scum ><

Is this going to be another GUYZ TELLAN IS TOTALLY SCUM AND OMTOSE IS INNO, YOU ARE ALL FUCKIN STUPID, LISTEN TO MY WISDOM I'VE NEVER BEFORE BEEN WRO-

Oh.

I get it of you don't feel it and you don't like the case but you are really irritating with these comments considering the whole emur thing where you were so sure. You've admitted to being suspicious of everyone so comments like this are just bizarre, now you know something for sure? If not then this is just so you can say 'see, I told you so' if he comes up as inno.

Omtose could have at least given us some thoughts, whether he could quote or not, instead of just coming in, telling us we were all stupid and then buggering off only to come back and call everyone fucktards.

Vote Omtose

Okaros, on 22 March 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

Serc, on 21 March 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

Okaros, on 21 March 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

Also, Serc, I would love to hear some of your thoughts. Your last posts are all questioning other people's statements and actions, but you have put forward none of your own ideas. Feel like honouring us with something original before you disappear?

My ideas? I don;t like the Omtose turn, thought that was clear. I accept your reasoning, just the sudden rush makes me leery. May you're right about Omstose being supicious all day, don;t recall - you didn;t quote and I CBA to look right now. Too many middle range posters that I have little feel for (myself included, I know) to make pointed statements. Cult is having a good run. I grow weary of sarcasm.

That was not in the least helpful. I understand that you don't like the turn to Omtose. Fine. You don't want to discuss mid-range posters as you don't have a feel for them. Fine. But at least give us your thoughts on those who are around at the moment. Or who you think we should look at after the lynch. Or even the way you think cult might play.

And maybe cult is having a good run because people like you "CBA" going back to look at what is going on.

Okaros, on 22 March 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 22 March 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

Some have said that the Omtose voting was sudden, but equally sudden was the brakes that have been put on that particular lynch.

Indeed. You're right about Silanah too, but I guess if someone is unlynchable then it doesn't give them much motivation to be around. Unless you're Khell and like to fuck with people for shits and giggles

Sorry, I don't particularly want to lynch you but it looks like that is the way it is going. Better any lynch than no lynch.

Remove vote

Vote Atrahal.

So these are the votes on Omtose. First comment is from Kalse, something I actually think has some merit to it, recruits might want to follow their leader, might want some guidance to know they are lynching someone not on their team. Both Atrahal and I had said something about the Omtose case, though neither of us had voted on it, because it would have been a new train and opinion seemed to be spread, Omtose was my number one choice though and after hearing what he had to say, very little it turned out, but starting a possible train is something that seems risky at the end of the day when votes are thrown over a handful of players and no one seems clear on what is going on, which is why I took so long to vote.

Atrahal was getting a couple of votes at the time but if you want to look at the possibility of people using the Omtose case and the fact it sounded (and still could be since there are more than one scum team) credible then I think the two votes that stick out to me are Okaros, who put the first vote on the train, and Ruse who followed shortly thereafter. Okaros did switch his vote onto Atrahal though, putting him at L-1, at this point though the tide had well turned and it had pretty much become inevitable that there was going to be an Atrahal lynch, possible attempt at a diversion gone awry and distancing possibly.

As I said before I'm not sure what to say in my defence, I know why people are voting for me, if I wasn't me, I'd find me suspicious too. The only thing I really seemed to push against Atrahal on was the D'riss thing, which doesn't even really go in my favour since we both ended up voting Omtose. Back on the Emur train I hadn't seen him as the important vote that swung it away from liosan, I didn't, not really much to be said there, I thought Rashan's pushing was much more notable.

I really would like to say a bit more here but I've stayed up later than I should reading over a couple of things here but I keep dozing off, I need sleep. I won't be back on till later tomorrow, better check the time actually and see if I need to vote or if i'll be around on time.

[D'riss]

Tellan, on 22 March 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

Some interaction here.

Olar Ethil, on 21 March 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 21 March 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 21 March 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

I still am not seeing the D'riss thing, even after a quick re-read he does not stand out as inherently more scummy than most players and the origional link made was to a player who cf'd as town, and there have been a few connections since. It just seems strange.

For me, the D'riss suspicion stems from his reaction to Korvalain's post where Korv identifies three people (Tennes, Gamelon, Ruse) as probably being a recruiter. D'riss' reaction made me think he was recruited by one of those three. Since then, events have led me to conclude it's Tennes. In an effort to not be just obsessed with that, especially if I'm the only one who felt that way, my other big suspicion rests on Omtose, a suspicion which I had since day 1 and has done nothing but grow since.

I agree with your reaction to Omtose, he has gone very quiet again but at the end of the last day his comments struck me as really off, also, he put forth 'rashan wasn't the significant vote ont he emur swing' which made me think he is possibly connected in some way to Rashan, maybe rashan is his recruit or his recruiter, though Rashan, if he is an actual recruiter, has played this weird, though I still don't think it is outside the realms of possibility.

A couple of days back he said he was watching a couple of people in particular for changes in posting style/attitude and yet he has not built cases or made any passing mention of these suspicions since.

Here is interesting. OE has been going after Omtose for a while. Looking at Atrahal's posts I don't really see that much to back up his claim that he's found him suspicious for ages. A bit back he mentions he gets annoyed at Omtose's drive-by vote. Ofc, this occurs shortly after OE claims that he thinks omtose is at least a recruit. Page 26 is the earliest I can find him really going for him (mentions him or mockra as his choices). Course that doesn't look so great in the light of this earlier post:

Olar Ethil, on 20 March 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

Omtose, on 20 March 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

The math in my head thinks there is four scum in each team now. That's half the players. But I'm thinking one team leader went hunting last night instead of recruiting.

This seems a bit like scaremongering omtose, we don't know what kind of recruiting conditions are in play, actually, I was unaware we even knew how many scum teams there are.


I'm going to read over some of Sorrit's interactions and have a closer look at Mockra, just looking over what Tennes has posted makes me uneasy, i've had almost an aversion to Mockra so far, i've never felt particularly good about him but never really looked very closely for some reason. He fits into the mould that people have said they are interested in and though he has been mentioned on a few occasions is generally never very greatly looked at or prodded.

Some subtle atrahal defense:

Olar Ethil, on 21 March 2012 - 02:12 AM, said:

Tellan, on 21 March 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

Ok, looking back, I don't like the super speedy Emur lynch.

In particular, Atrahals role in it.

Atrahal, on 16 March 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

Omtose, on 16 March 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Rashan, on 16 March 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

Not emo

I'd like to play, but I fucked up, and I'd prefer if we got my inevitable attention out of the way tonight so we don't waste time with it tomorrow.

I still think it was a good lynch, easily recruit-able and whatnot, but the way I swung the vote is suspicious even to me, so that's my reasoning here.

I think you pushed the lynch before the liosan train had any steam.

Atharal swung it IMO

Lol, I knew you'd say that. Let's have a look at what I said, shall we?

Atrahal, on 16 March 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 16 March 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

Tell you what. I'll be here till the very end, so:

Remove Vote

Vote Emurlahn

If the votes on Emur don't climb, I'll switch back to Liosan with enough time to still lynch him.

That's what I said when I voted. After that, I didn't say anything at all about others switching their votes.

The reason I changed my vote was because D'riss' "I find Emur totally un-suspicious" comment after Rashan had pointed out a potential link made me uneasy.

In fact, I would argue that the real swinger was Silanah. Seeing our Emperor jump on made a lot of people more confident about it, I would wager.

These posts make me feel like Atrahal had already planned ahead, having a defence ready when making his original post.

I also don't like that he argues that Sil swings the train. It's a weak argument in the first place (CI =/= infallible) and arguing it serves the purpose of essentially saying that no-one looks scummy for swinging the train/there's no point looking at it.

While normally i'd be inclined to agree here I actually think Sil's vote did influence the switch in this case. Nobody was very certain on either player, there was a lack of confidence over the chances of either of them being scum, then one player seems so certain amidst the confusion, that is, Rashan and town thinks, well, does he know something? Is he possibly roled?And starts to doubt itself more, in that case, seeing sil voting for one option over the other probably did influence people.

The vote was placed at quite a crucial moment though, i'll grant. I think there was a certain lack of force behind it. In saying that, the whole d'riss thing still is confusing me, since he seems to be getting linked to pretty much everyone on the emur case though I saw it more as everyone jumping at shadows in amongst the general uncertainty.

Doesn't think Atrahal is scummy:

Olar Ethil, on 16 March 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

I am off to sleep, I have a really busy day ahead tomorrow but I will try to get time to keep up and post.

I should be back before timeout though.

At the moment there seems to be no great consensus.

Out of the middlish posters the name that springs to mind when I think of suspicious or possible scum is Mockra but this is more based on gut, the other player is Liosan and partly that might have to do with his play style but once I have divined the meanings of his posts they feel like a lot of work for very little, they seem to consist more of summaries than fresh points and maybe it is the manner of the posts but it does not feel like he is offering alternatives for the things he says he dislikes, which he seems to be doing a lot of. If you are going to tell people they are getting it wrong offer an alternative or at least venture more than your disagreement.

Korv i'm not massively suspicious of at the moment, I think he was genuinely feeling frustrated but to say anymore about that would maybe be getting a little meta but I don't get a strong vibe from him or feel more than normal levels of suspicion there.

I still think some of Rashan's comments come across as scummy, the one just before the inevitable Karosis lynch stands out in my mind. Tellan hasn't been around a great deal either the last day, seems to have gone quiet.

As for Atrahal who has occasioned quite a bit of comment I don't find there to be much in the case against him, he seems to have handled it well and I get a slightly more town feel from him, I get why a lot of us might be suspicious of that feeling at the moment though, no one wants to run the risk of scum running the thread but at the moment i'd be disinclined to vote on him.

Apparently did think Atrahal was scummy earlier but now (day 2) doesn't:

Olar Ethil, on 15 March 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

Tennes, on 15 March 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

In a lot of my notes so far Atrahal has been the aggressor, attacking quite a few people. You see this first with Rashan on post number 68. Number 142 he agrees with Karosis about Korvalian and then has a pissing match with tellan. I haven't went further than this in my notes yet but I think Atrahal is more than likely town, I cannot see scum being that "out there". I asked you about him because something seemed off about him but over a re read i'm not sure at all. I am going to have a look through and see what I can find



edit, spelling

I've had a similar feeling in regards to Atrahal, there was a point, especially after his exchanges and agreements with Karosis that I felt suspicious of him but re-reading his posts he doesn't strike me as very scummy, this is quite a gut feeling though. I honestly don't think scum if they were a certain type of player would always keep quiet and be non-confrontational, so it is not even this angle that gives me that feeling. Of course Karosis showed up as inno and so maybe this is effecting my judgement in Atrahals favour since I see to have the two linked in my mind.

Barghasts list of low posters struck me as scummy though. Yes, low posters can be concerning as the game goes on but it is better to have a post with content, discussion and opinions rather than have a high number of posts in which little is being said.

I am still interested in Tellan and Rashan, Rashan was very opposed to the possible symping tellan seemed to be doing for him and Tellan said this was not the case and after this was picked up by a few people became suspicious of Rashan. Tellan said it was less a defence and more an attack against Atrahal and I though yesterday it could be a case of fake symping but the whole thing leaves me unsure. I can't see Tellan taking that long to pick up Rashan's hints and then turning suspicion on him so fast, it is just so clumsy. That is what makes me think that it could be a case of fake symping, I was wrong about it being fake symping on behalf of Karosis but there were few other players getting heat around the time, Fener had a couple of casual votes but there is little to go off there since he has said little and it was mainly based on the history of the avatar so I can't see it having become such a great threat.

Another note: OE has been mentioning Rashan from pretty early.


I think there's certainly a case for OE as atrahals leader.

I do get the impression that Atrahal's suspicion of Omtose was a bit dodgy, and it seems a good place to look for his leader. Looking at the train, he is third after Okaros and Ruse, with OE joining later.

His vote is somewhat suspect. He had been on, and talking about suspects. I believe Kalse had even said at the time it looked a bit like people were waiting around looking for direction from their leader. Shortly after the first couple of votes on Omtose we get "Let's do this then" followed by a vote. Paints Okaros and Ruse a bit dodgily. Ruse/Atrahal and Okaros/Atrahal relations seem a good place to look. I noticed when looking back for when Atrahal mentions Omtose that Ruse also goes for Omtose before Atrahal really goes for him.

It bothers me that I actually like this case the best, because I've had you figured as at least a recruit. It's been nagging at me that OE was defending me, as something that just felt off at the time. After reading through it in hindsight, I think this may have been some kind of signalling.

vote Olar Ethil

[Olar Ethil]

I'm pretty much dead in the water now at any rate, no one is actually going to bother listening to me for the rest of the game since they think i'm linked to Atrahal in some way, my play style will do nothing to help this.

So, some thoughts.

I think it has been noted that Atrahal made a very friendly post towards Kalse and normally i'd think a move like that would be too bold but seeing it was Khell and considering how boldly he was playing by being so vocal and getting into scraps then i'd not completely dismiss this.

He also made a comment here:

Atrahal, on 21 March 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Rashan, on 21 March 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

Atrahal is an androgynous shit grinner

The following comment applies to Tennes also.


Critical Reasoning 101: Opinion, then evidence for opinion. "Atrahal is an androgynous shit grinner/I am voting Atrahal because of his responses...because/which were and this shows....[insert evidence here].

Bad play in Mafia just to state an opinion without backing it up


And Serc comes forward as the vig. I believe him. It might be suspected that if Serc had been recruited, he may have vigged Sorrit because Sorrit was putting pressure on his master? However, personally I don't think so, as then why would Serc reveal and bring attention to such a thing?

I think that Serc is most likely inno but re-reading this and knowing he was a recruit made me pause to consider if there was something he knew that maybe made him muse on the possibility of cult having some kind of vig. Maybe he was just hoping this was the case and seeing if Serc would give him some kind of signal in return. Worth pointing out at least.


I honestly don't have a great read on the majority of players in this game, I still think though that rashan could be some kind of scum or recruit, but it could just be dodgy gut because i've felt that way towards him since almost the start. Omtose, well, I still think there is a possibility there, maybe if Okaros or Ruse are cult leaders they thought they were onto an opposing cult member there.


Barghast I find myself agreeing with often and liking the tone of his posts, way back on day two I thought from his low poster list with nothing else he could be scum but he contributes a lot and generally seems to make good points.

Sil has disliked Tellan for a while now and yesterday the vote hovered once more around him but didn't quite happen, it doesn't seem to ever come to much. I get why, the cases seem weak against him often and one of his most significant things was day 1 and seemingly sympish behviour or fake symping. Still it is good to remember that while we now have a lead to follow there are still other scum teams out there and so just because someone has voted Atrahal does not automatically mean they couldn't be a recruiter or recruit.

I really should be asleep.

I'll try and have a look in the morning before I go out but for now it seems between Ruse, Okaros and Kalse in my mind. Ruse has the most votes on him but I can see possible distancing from Okaros which would seem to fit better with a recruiter role so I will:

Vote Okaros


Edit - spacing

This post has been edited by Olar Ethil: 23 March 2012 - 12:11 AM

[Okaros]

Hey everyone, sorry I haven't been around much today, I'm super busy trying to et stuff organised for a trip. Been keeping up with what is going on but I only have about an hour to post before I have to get off my ass and start packing.

In terms of the lynch, it's great we finally got a cult. I'll admit I wasn't sure about the Atrahal lynch, especially with the way my train on Omtose started and then abruptly stopped, but I was wrong.

I didin't, and still don't like, Omtose's tantrum when it looked like he was in danger of getting lynched. And I think Serc's behaviour has been off as well. Not enough to make a case out of it (especially when it looks like we already have a few solid cases), but enough to make me watch them.

This psot by Barghast caught my eye:

Barghast, on 22 March 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 March 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on 22 March 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

A scum CF?

excellent!!

I never pegged atrahal as scum...he was receiving way to much attention from all over to have been recruited surely?

this post stinks.
recruiting a top poster is a very good cult move--for the very obvious reason that they'll stir up all kinds of shit, and their eventual lynch will leave a WIFOM storm.

i'm not buying the "super wide-eyed innocent" act you've got going here



vote Ruse

you are trying too hard.

just to make sure you're reading selectively, Korvy

Ruse is expressing disbelief that a cult would target Atrahal as he was pointing a lot of fingers, stepping on a lot of toes and generally getting attacked for it. With hindsight, it was a good tactic, Atrahal could fairly well run the thread and because of his aggressive style of play he would look less cultish. I don't think Ruse's reaction was unreasonable, and I think Barghast's attack of this post is amking more out of it than is necessary. There is plenty that Ruse has said that is suspicious, why pick out this particular post?

Before I discuss the cases out at the moment I'm going to go back and read them again. Looks like some good thinking though.

[Barghast]

i'm guessing you're not gonna like the rest of that exchange much either then... *shrugs*





since the weather over here's unseasonably gorgeous, I just got back from playing about 2 hours of footy. need to eat/shower b4 I can be of any further use to the thread.

by my count, we got just under 10 hours left.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5.

There are 8 hours and 38 minutes remaining.

15 players are left alive:
Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Kalse, Korvalain, Mockra, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes


8 votes to lynch, 7 to go to night.

3 votes Ruse: Barghast, Rashan, Serc
1 vote Kalse: Tennes
3 votes Olar Ethil: Kalse, Korvalain, D'riss
1 vote Okaros: Olar Ethil

Players not voting: Gamelon, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Ruse, Silanah, Tellan


Sorry about missing the Rashan vote.

[Barghast]

weeeeel, there goes my counting ability....

[Okaros]

Having re-read, I really don't like Ruse's reactions to the prodding. It just seems unjustified, with this much time left in the day, to be screaming "Fuck you all" and flouncing off. This game has shown some massive voting swings at the end of the day, and Ruse would have been better served by hanging around to discuss things further. The same goes for Olar Ethil, but I get the feeling from OE that the resignation to his case may be an attempt to make people change their minds about him, he is playing the 'helpful townie' role.

I think Tellan's case has some serious merit, and it also seems to have covered all the bases, there is really nothing at this stage that I can add.

PS, an update would be nice if you have a moment.EDIT: cross post with the update...

This post has been edited by Okaros: 23 March 2012 - 01:44 AM

[Okaros]

Mkay, so in terms of Olar's vote on me. From what I can see it is based on my position on the Omtose and Atrahal trains.

When I started the train on Omtose, the only other possibilities were Mockra, who's case had fizzled out, Atrahal, who I wasn't feeling sure about, and a handful of people with a single vote on them, mostly cast earlier that day before discussion really got going. Several people had indicated that they would be prepared to vote Omtose, but didn't want to start a new train. There was not a lot of consensus at the time, and I figured if someone had to start a new lynch train to get a lynch I didn't mind being that person. I still don't like the way the train started well and then abruptly stopped, and I'm wondering if anyone who so quickly swung the train back to Atrahal might not have been covering for Omtose. Just because one was scum does not mean the other may not also be scum.

It became apparent that Atrahal was going to be lynched. I had said previously that I would be happy to change to get the lynch. At the time someone had said he was at L-3, and I dodn't know how many people were on (I was playing from my phone), so I switched my vote to try and make sure we got the lynch.

There is not much I can say against the accusations of distancing, but if I was connected to Atrahal why would I not just say I couldn't get back on before the lynch and left my vote on Omtose? If anything, the vote switching has made me more suspicious in the eyes of everyone else, even though I did it to get the lynch.

[Okaros]

Also, i don't understand why Serc was deemed innocent yesterday. Unless we are assuming that a vig would be lost if someone was recruited?

Because as far as I can see Serc could have been recruited and still held on to his vig. I question as well why Sorrit was killed. The only justification he gives is this:

Quote

I vigged Sorritt, thought he was a recruiter, just want to get that out there. I realize it was a mistake, but I didn't want it to go unused. shot my load too soon apparently

What made him think Sorrit was a recruiter? After Serc's spaz last night I'm looking closely at him.

[Okaros]

Woo, 5 guests, 6 anons and I'm talking to myself. I'll be back in a few hours.

[Mockra]

Wow I take my hat off to Kalse, Tennes and Korvalain for their rereading and hard work. Thats a lot of great info.
Certainly I think the best shot for the recruiter is one of those three, Kalse, Ruse and Olar Ethil, I'm really leaning towards Olar Ethil or Ruse at this point I think thats the best two but its difficult as both seem like they could be the recruiter, and both have had opposite reactions, Ruse with his rant, and Olar resigned to the fact . Its almost a coin flip. Wonder if the cult is Ruse, Olar and Atrahal and possibly a fourth recruit depending on how often they recruit.

It could be a little ugly if we lynch wrongly.

Tennes said:

Kalse is his master. I have a shit load of notes that point to this. Maybe. No interaction since day one. All his lists and accusations exclude Kalse. Look at posts #1021, #1031, #815 (kalse saying rashan isn't scummy), #931 another list, #936 another one. Not one mentioning Kalse.



Vote Kalse

Tennes I don't mean to be picky as you did all that reread and obviously took notes etc, but# 815 is Kalse saying Rashan isn't scummy, how is that a link to Atrahal's recruiter? Also #936 is a post from D'riss I'm not sure how that helps either. I agree that Atrahal did make some lists and Kalse certainly isn't mentioned so he sorta seemed to avoid Kalse but a bunch of other people weren't mentioned as well. I think Olar Ethil and Ruse are stronger case wise. I don't suppose you could elaborate on your notes a little?

Still would like to hear from Silanah, he hasn't been around has he? Guess we got time.

[Silanah]

Okaros, on 23 March 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

Also, i don't understand why Serc was deemed innocent yesterday. Unless we are assuming that a vig would be lost if someone was recruited?

Because as far as I can see Serc could have been recruited and still held on to his vig. I question as well why Sorrit was killed. The only justification he gives is this:

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I vigged Sorritt, thought he was a recruiter, just want to get that out there. I realize it was a mistake, but I didn't want it to go unused. shot my load too soon apparently

What made him think Sorrit was a recruiter? After Serc's spaz last night I'm looking closely at him.

I thought Sorrit was scummy as I said in a Day 2? PM, as well as barghast. I have another 10 hours in the car tomorrow but then I get 2 days where I should be posting more. I like the OE case mostly based on a new gut feeling, but learned last game that you should never trust someone who is too friendly or too helpful so I am still open to ideas, such as the kalse case, which I need to read over again.

[Barghast]

Okaros, on 23 March 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Woo, 5 guests, 6 anons and I'm talking to myself. I'll be back in a few hours.

hey man, food > mafia.

also, I don't have much to add atm. i'm not a fan of OE's "woe is me, nothing I can say will stop you, bloodthirsty mob!" exeunt, though i'd still prefer a Ruse lynch.

other options i'd like atm would include Tennes (I still remember his little strawmaning act yesterday), and Gamelon. I'll find the post I didn't like in a minute.

[Mockra]

Pretty sure he's talking to Serc there Silanah as to why Serc vigged Sorrit.... or are you saying you ordered the hit and had Serc carry it out?

Also care to comment on Tellan at all as you've been insistent almost on his scuminess? Or you just can't say.

[Omtose]

The case on olar feels the strongest to me. I will leave a vote on him tonight. I'm sure he will call it an omgus vote. But I think it is the right direction for today. I'm on the fence on ruse. I could go either way. I may be awake before time out, but i doubt it.

Vote olar

[Silanah]

Mockra, on 23 March 2012 - 02:33 AM, said:

Pretty sure he's talking to Serc there Silanah as to why Serc vigged Sorrit.... or are you saying you ordered the hit and had Serc carry it out?

Also care to comment on Tellan at all as you've been insistent almost on his scuminess? Or you just can't say.

About serc/sorrit:
I was just saying I also thought Sorrit was cult to show that Serc wasn't the only one who thought Sorrit was cult.
About Tellan: I can't be sure, but I don't believe I ever got an answer ad to why Tellan either blatantly symped or fakesymped Rashan day 1. (yes it is old stuff but I still want an answer)