[D'riss]

I would really like to hear more thoughts from the other players... I find it irksome that there are so many watchers yet so few posters.

[Atrahal]

Anyone else get the feeling that Rashan is playing like he doesn't give a fuck anymore?

[Ruse]

Rashan, on 21 March 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

Of course not, I swayed 11 people with my massive intellect and endearing personality.


Asshole.

wasnt talking to you.


fuckface.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 21 March 2012 - 03:46 PM

[Korvalain]

Going to try reading up. It's a bit dead here as we are having a massive snow storm (for us) and the power is threatening to go out.

[Atrahal]

Rashan, on 21 March 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

So we have about 8 hours. What's the deal, who's biting the dust?

Pushing for a lynch. Killer scum obvs

[Korvalain]

Fuck!

They are sending everyone home and we have lost power back at the house. I don't have time to do a read up and my cheap ass phone is so unreliable. I'm going to miss the rest of the day.

[Olar Ethil]

Omtose, on 16 March 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 16 March 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

Tennes, on 16 March 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

I'm going to have a read up over the next few hours too. I was thinking overnight how scum might play this game and I think it is in their best interest not to lynch. If there is no lynch it gives them more of a pool of people to recruit from. You could argue that they may want to eliminate the opposing scum but the chances are that they'll hit town more than scum this early in the game. [thoughts] We cannot allow them a free ride, so before reading the thread I suppose i'm looking for someone who is avoiding confrontation and laying low [/thoughts]It also makes me suspicious of people who want to wait until Friday to play, or cannot participate but will at a "later" date, this kind of talk makes me think that they are waiting to build up their numbers so that they have symps and people who agree with them. I'll have a proper read up today

Hmm, interesting points you raise. Attempting to stall lynches would be a fairly risky strategy, though wouldn't it? Generally anyone who is seen to be behaving oddly around lynch time is fairly heavily scrutinised. Personally, I think that they would rather avoid attention. But then again, some people's playing styles (Not looking at anyone in particular ) would lend themselves to more risky strategies. I don't know that that one would pay off. Unless they tried to avoid a lynch occuring by not being around at the lynch. Given how broadly votes were spread out on day 1 it would be easy enough to vote for someone, and slip off the train if it gains traction.

I'm more watching for changes in interactions. I'm watching three players right now that have shifted their potions IMO. I will leave it at that for now, not ready give out names. I want to watch a bit longer, see how they react to this subject being put forward.

So Omtose, any further thoughts on these players from a few days back?

Right now i'd probably say Omtose strikes me as at least a recruit, between his post lynch shouting at d'rek to his strange post saying there are two teams with four scum each now, it just didn't sit right with me at all and looking back at some of his other posts my unease only deepened. It was Omtose after the Emur lynch that said it was not Rashan that has made a significant change to the train but Athrahal, which, as much as you want to accuse Atrhal of being scummy and leading (and I don't disagree with everyone on that point) it wasn't Atrahal telling us we were all wrong and talking like they had some kind of information that the rest of us didn't that made them so sure that the lio lynch was the wrong one and that emur was scum.

It makes me wonder if there is a link between the two of them, though I've been getting scummy vibes from Rasahan all game so maybe that is tying into that feeling.

Looking back over Sorrits posts, I don't see much that would make him the target of a killers kill, he didn't say a great deal and he certainly didn't put a lot of unwanted attention on anybody at all really. I think at this moment it was some kind of vig, possibly a vig on a cult member? I'm much less sure of that but it doesn't feel like a scum kill.

Mockra is another player that I get a greater scummy vibe from, his reply post to the attention on him wasn't the greatest of help with that either, I don't need to know your daily schedule, a lot of people are busy and having similar time constraints, you can say that in one sentence though and go on to give a few thoughts on, if not the whole game, at least the last couple of pages, which he hasn't done a great deal of.

I thought that Tennes was onto something by bringing up the Mockra case but he left it unfinished which is why most people haven't bothered to give it a great deal of time, I think people were waiting for it to be finished, now when he did I agreed with quite a lot of what was being said but the spats inbetween kind of shifted the attention there once again and it doesn't look good to post cases entirely made up of quotes, complain when no one bothers a great deal responding to it and then go and accuse someone different without having finished your original case.

[Rashan]

Of course I give a fuck. I give many fucks. But I'm so lost right now. No one takes me seriously because IM SCUMMY AS FUCK, which doesn't really bother me, but it's hard being a high poster when no one is listening.

Someone (Tennes?) also wants Atrahal dead, which isn't too surprising since Atrahal is an androgynous shit grinner, but I don't know how to feel about Tennes agreeing with me.

Also, I've been trying to lynch Tellan for ages and no one will help excepting our dear emperor.

Vote Tellan

Suck it.

[Serc]

I'm around a bit, dont feel like I have much to contribute beyond what's been said right now

I felt Atrahal may have been recruited because I thought his posting style had changed some from Day 1, but now it seems to be moving back - argumentative, then agreeable, now back again. not trying to make a shoddy case, just offering my thoughts.


I vigged Sorritt, thought he was a recruiter, just want to get that out there. I realize it was a mistake, but I didn't want it to go unused. shot my load too soon apparently


I did believe we would get cult w/ Lio's CF, just seemed that the original lynch derail was too organized. maybe that was simple distraction (sorry for WIFOM)



back to work

[Rashan]

Serc, what is your Title in your role PM?

Also, I forgot to

Remove Vote

Vote Tellan

[Omtose]

I'm going with my gut.
Vote atrahal

[Atrahal]

Rashan, on 21 March 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

Atrahal is an androgynous shit grinner

The following comment applies to Tennes also.

Critical Reasoning 101: Opinion, then evidence for opinion. "Atrahal is an androgynous shit grinner/I am voting Atrahal because of his responses...because/which were and this shows....[insert evidence here].

Bad play in Mafia just to state an opinion without backing it up



And Serc comes forward as the vig. I believe him. It might be suspected that if Serc had been recruited, he may have vigged Sorrit because Sorrit was putting pressure on his master? However, personally I don't think so, as then why would Serc reveal and bring attention to such a thing?

[Atrahal]

Omtose, on 21 March 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

I'm going with my gut.
Vote atrahal

From now on we should all make votes like this. Then no one will ever have to put in effort into cases or defending from accusations. Much easier for everyone.

[Rashan]

I've stated why I think you'd be a good lynch in the recruiter hunt. There are too many low posters to lynch them all off, and I get the bored RI feel from a lot of them. Also, you smell.

[Rashan]

Atrahal, on 21 March 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

Omtose, on 21 March 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

I'm going with my gut.
Vote atrahal

From now on we should all make votes like this. Then no one will ever have to put in effort into cases or defending from accusations. Much easier for everyone.

So what do you think of Tellan, hmm? Ignore him more, Mr. Recruit?

[Atrahal]

Rashan, on 21 March 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

I've stated why I think you'd be a good lynch in the recruiter hunt. There are too many low posters to lynch them all off, and I get the bored RI feel from a lot of them. Also, you smell.

If I'm a recruiter, then I've played terribly. Not a day has gone by where I haven't had to defend myself for at least half of it. I'm happy to do that, I enjoy it, but if I was the head of a faction and (probably) its only means of enlarging the faction, then I'm heavily endangering that team's chances of winning with my style of play which puts me so much in the open. So I wish you would give me a little more credit than that, but whatever.

[Atrahal]

Rashan, on 21 March 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 21 March 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

Omtose, on 21 March 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

I'm going with my gut.
Vote atrahal

From now on we should all make votes like this. Then no one will ever have to put in effort into cases or defending from accusations. Much easier for everyone.

So what do you think of Tellan, hmm? Ignore him more, Mr. Recruit?

Are you talking to me, or Omtose?

[Atrahal]

If you're talking to me, then I refer you to these previous posts of mine, with regards to what I think of Tellan:

Atrahal, on 20 March 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:

Ahem, to be serious for just one post:

I'm going to be pointing a few fingers here, but the ones I like the look of the least on a purely instinctual level are the 5 or so below Silanah in the posting stakes. That's where I'd bet scum would hide. But going on what happened the last day rather than just gut, I'm voting Liosan. Both Serc and Tellan I see merit in voting for, though, the former more than the latter - at least until Tellan actually comes back from his extended absence.

Atrahal, on 20 March 2012 - 02:00 AM, said:

@ D'riss specifically: Why do you say I don't think Rashan is at all scummy? Clearly, I did on day 1, seeing as I pushed a case on him, which no one really got behind with votes despite making encouraging noises. Since then, his play hasn't brought up anything obvious for me to build on, except for perhaps the Tellan thing. I'm a bit hesitant to get behind the fake symping angle, as I don't see why that would happen in a cult game on day 1. But, if on the other hand others thought that maybe Tellan was symping Rashan FOR REAL, then that's something I can get behind

As you can see from these, I'm not convinced by your fake symping case.

But whatever.



I'll do an Omtose.

Remove Vote

Vote Tellan

Because Silanah suspects him.

[Rashan]

Hehehe. I love this game. I miss being a leader, though. I like when I have underlings to obey me.

[Tellan]

Silanah, on 21 March 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Okaros, on 21 March 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

Whew. I've had a fairly limited posting window during this game, which has made it a little tricky for me. I think also there are so many lower posters (myself included) because of the lack on NKs and because there are some very dominant personalities on thread who are very ready to accuse anyone of being a symp if they defend someone else, which is maybe why there are so many weak cases that are still hanging around.

In terms of suspicions, I really disliked Omtose's reaction to the last lynch. It was weird and unnecessary. When I have a minute I will be looking more into him.

I didn't see much in the case over Mockra, but I dislike his defence, it would have been enough to say "sorry, I haven't been around much, this is what I think..." rather than a detailed analysis of his last few days. Also, "unfortunately for me I wasn't modkilled"? If you had wanted to be modkilled you didn't need to post anymore, just let your timer run out. Or better yet, message Shin and sort something out properly. This whole statement really confuses me. However, not sure I agree with Tennes, I still don't feel like cult leaders would be as pushy as Atrahal and Rashan. In saying that, Rashan has been very good at avoiding anything aimed at him...

I'm not sure about Barghast, but until I have some time to look back properly that will remain a gut feeling.

Also, Gamelon brings up an interesting point. What is Silanah's fixation with Tellan?

Tellan gave me a cult gut feeling, scumdar pings, and a lot of suspicious play. I understand RL issues, they really can screw up you play, but at least do a quick post from your phone to say you won't be around for a while. Because of my suspicions, I felt we needed to lynch him, but we then had the whole emur/lio debacle and forgot all other cases. Sadly, we did have to lynch lio, if only to not have a huge distraction from other cases. Now that Tellan is back, I really hope we can get an explanation for the fake symping on day 1.

I explained it on day one. I thought that the case on Rashan was rubbish and that Atrahal looked a lot more scummy in their interaction (for some of the same reasons I think he looks kind of scummy now). Perhaps I was overly aggressive in attacking Atrahal but that is, imo, necessary day one.