[Ruse]

Rashan, on 20 March 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

Omtose, on 20 March 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:

A big WTF to D'rek. His distraction may have cost us the game. I don't know what to do now.

You're dumb. You lynched someone for RPing, then get sad when, surprise, she comes up inno.


On the kill:

This is a theory, keep that in mind.

Our Emperor Silanah is a finder killer (ie only kills when the target is recruited). Shin hasn't affirmed or denied that recruited players will CF as anything except Minister, and maybe Silanah's theoretical kill works against recruited players AND the original cult. That's my theory. I don't see why cultists would kill.

Cultist would kill if they feel certain they have found their counterpart to be sure.
Also if someone was perhaps onto them.
Getting someone lynched is allot harder than whipping out the Big guns at night.

[Rashan]

That's true..

[D'riss]

Sorrit, on 19 March 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

But I have more. Yesterday was so full of connections that it was actually a joy to read. There was the Barghast - Rashan defence

Rashan, on 15 March 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

Barghast is one of the highest contributors, at least in my notes. (I don't have notes, except in my brain).

Barghast, on 15 March 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

yeah, it's a bit rich saying I haven't said anything all game, tbh.



Whilst I may not have been as earnest in the case-making as some, I certrainly believe I was fairly consistent yesterday. I disliked the case on Rashan from the beginning and after the joke vote on Fener fizzled out, I switched to Karosis, whom I mentioned as worth keeping an eye out early on due to his vote hopping antics.
I've provided steady cvommentary on most of Day 1, it's not my fault most of it revolved around Rashan, whom I figured as likely town early on,

I especially like it when in a recruiting game when one player calls another player obviously town.

There were also some other intesting interactions between . Tennes - Olar Ethil

Olar Ethil, on 15 March 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 15 March 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

Okaros, on 15 March 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

Mockra, that's a great summary.

No, it isn't.

Vote Mockra

For repeating almost exactly the analysis of the lynch train which Karosis made just before he was lynched, down to exactly who he found the most suspicious, and then passing it off as his own analysis.

I'm also happy to vote Tennes for the stupidity/scumminess of the Silanah reasoning for a vote on Karosis, as no one seems willing to lay their cads on the table regarding Rashan, despite quite a few of you going 'ooh, that's another suspicious thing you've done, Rashan.'

Yes, all that has really been added to what Karosis said are the quotes there.

I agree that Tennes comes across quite suspicious there and the 'following sil, he's innocent' thing could be a very clumsy attempt by scum to appear innocent, either way it is pretty lazy. I understand time constraints but it doesn't sit well.

Rashan I was feeling was less scummy again, maybe because Karosis felt more so at that point, though reading over his last few posts I was really impressed he didn't have a fit and was helpful to town and his thought son the possible recruiting mechanic were interesting, though personally I think it might be impractical. The better you than me comment really struck me as scummy though. While most players understand the sentiment town players are supposed to play as a collective to help each other and that kind of attitude is usually counter-productive and can be damaging in the long run. Checking it against Karosis' exit when it became inevitable it is quite a contrast.

Olar Ethil, on 15 March 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

Tennes, on 15 March 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

In a lot of my notes so far Atrahal has been the aggressor, attacking quite a few people. You see this first with Rashan on post number 68. Number 142 he agrees with Karosis about Korvalian and then has a pissing match with tellan. I haven't went further than this in my notes yet but I think Atrahal is more than likely town, I cannot see scum being that "out there". I asked you about him because something seemed off about him but over a re read i'm not sure at all. I am going to have a look through and see what I can find



edit, spelling

I've had a similar feeling in regards to Atrahal, there was a point, especially after his exchanges and agreements with Karosis that I felt suspicious of him but re-reading his posts he doesn't strike me as very scummy, this is quite a gut feeling though. I honestly don't think scum if they were a certain type of player would always keep quiet and be non-confrontational, so it is not even this angle that gives me that feeling. Of course Karosis showed up as inno and so maybe this is effecting my judgement in Atrahals favour since I see to have the two linked in my mind.

Barghasts list of low posters struck me as scummy though. Yes, low posters can be concerning as the game goes on but it is better to have a post with content, discussion and opinions rather than have a high number of posts in which little is being said.

I am still interested in Tellan and Rashan, Rashan was very opposed to the possible symping tellan seemed to be doing for him and Tellan said this was not the case and after this was picked up by a few people became suspicious of Rashan. Tellan said it was less a defence and more an attack against Atrahal and I though yesterday it could be a case of fake symping but the whole thing leaves me unsure. I can't see Tellan taking that long to pick up Rashan's hints and then turning suspicion on him so fast, it is just so clumsy. That is what makes me think that it could be a case of fake symping, I was wrong about it being fake symping on behalf of Karosis but there were few other players getting heat around the time, Fener had a couple of casual votes but there is little to go off there since he has said little and it was mainly based on the history of the avatar so I can't see it having become such a great threat.

Both of these interactions were fairly early in the day. Just when I would expect for recruits to be interacting with recruiters. There was also some vote following. Which always makes for decent signalling.

Kalse, on 15 March 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

Also,

vote liosan

for now. yeah yeah yeah, i'm being a sour puss, but your RP isn't helping us in any way and is incredibly distracting. This vote is subject to change upon Liosan actually becoming useful.

Omtose, on 16 March 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Tennes, on 16 March 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

I'm going to have a read up over the next few hours too. I was thinking overnight how scum might play this game and I think it is in their best interest not to lynch. If there is no lynch it gives them more of a pool of people to recruit from. You could argue that they may want to eliminate the opposing scum but the chances are that they'll hit town more than scum this early in the game. [thoughts] We cannot allow them a free ride, so before reading the thread I suppose i'm looking for someone who is avoiding confrontation and laying low [/thoughts]It also makes me suspicious of people who want to wait until Friday to play, or cannot participate but will at a "later" date, this kind of talk makes me think that they are waiting to build up their numbers so that they have symps and people who agree with them. I'll have a proper read up today

Well I posted in the sign up that I couldn't play until I had the time off. As is I didn't expect the game to start until next week.

But at present I am going to put my, and keep my vote on Liosan until he stops posting like a twat.

vote Liosan

Then there is this to go with the defending from above

Barghast, on 15 March 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

hey, peoples, been hella busy today. Meant to get caught up at lunch, but other things came up., right now I got about an hour and a half to dedicate to the game (and homework) before I have to rush off to work.

I see Okaros is trying to raise some suspicions about me,basing it off my attempt to get lo-posters to contribute. Hrm, not much to add to that. some of the people on my list Fener, Emu, Ruse, Omtose) have contributed basically nothign so far. A few (Okaros, Tennes) have had a few posts but tried to make them meaningful, and Liosan continues to RP, successfully making sure that whatever points he's trying to get across


whan all is said and done, i will

vote emurlahn



because it's the oddest vote on the train.

Rashan, on 16 March 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

Oh. Yes, actually. Could we get a ruling on that, PS?

Next is Ruse with 5, Emurlahn with 9, and Omtose with 11.

Even with only 11 posts, Omtose is interacting, so I have no worries there.

Ruse and Emurlahn, I think, are slightly more worrying. Ruse had a family emergency. I will not lynch him for that. If it was a lie, I'm going to be dissapointed, but if it is the truth I don't think we should lynch him right now.

So Emurlahn is the lowest poster who is suspicious, at least. Someone already had a case on him that holds true. Strange vote, little interaction until he was called out. '

Remove Vote

Vote Emurlahn

Tennes, on 16 March 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

Even if all 6 anom's voted for Lio we won't have enough for a lynch I am around and can change my vote. I don't like Ruse' excuse of RP, he had time to contribute whilst doing that, he could have also posted more which goes in his favour somewhat, his coming on after my case goes against him as well as people brushing off his absence like it didn't matter, so I will keep my eye on Ruse but



Remove Vote



Vote Fener



I can add it to the Liosan train if and when needed. Fener needs to talk more.

Gamelon, on 16 March 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

I'm back,

Willing to go for a low post lynch, though I think scum wouldn't be quite so low as some of these, nevertheless getting ride of non contributing town is probably for the best.

I'd like to see if Lio will stop the RP, since they seem to be around regulary, and once they drop the convoluted language they may be of more use to town. Similarly, I'd like like give Ruse a chance to start playing now that RL issues are sorted. Fener on the other hand simply hasn't been around at all with no explanation or anything, which is a shame but it's also frustrating.

Vote Fener

I am willing to switch to Lio to get a lynch for the day

Now just because someone votes for the same person that another person votes for doesn't make them on the same team. However any of these could easily be early signalling. I think that I will read over this some more and see if I can see any more connections as we do have a full day remaining.

Not much on Sorrit, he was initially after Mockra and then did this analysis of the lynch train. That's the last post I saw.

Barghast, Rashan, Tennes and Olar Ethil all seemed to be on his radar, but he didn't build a case against anyone since his earlier votes for Mockra.

[Tennes]

I just tried to quote that one but was saying I had too many quote marks. Are you doing this on purpose as well? I noticed Kalse/Omtose and Gamelon in there as well. He was trying to push for connections between players. Rashan/Barghast, Tennes/Olar, Kalse/Omtose, Rashan/Barghast and Gamelon/Tennes.

This opens up a lot of wifom. You may be more accurate with his earlier vote on Mockra. I find Mockra's play scummy. He stayed off the first two lynch trains and then comes out when called yesterday to vote for an "obvious" lynch. When I get home i'm going to have a look at him and Serc.

[Tennes]

Korvalain, on 13 March 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 13 March 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

Well personally I want to lynch a low poster. I have noticed that Mockra has yet to post. It is probably Venge. Lets lynch him before he has a chance to post.

Vote Mockra

X-Post

Great minds think alike.

Ha ha, this post by Venge pointing to mockra as Venge At this stage Mockra hadn't posted. 4 pages in that was.

[Tennes]

Sorrit, on 14 March 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

Karosis, on 14 March 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

Rashan, on 14 March 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

And I fail to see how that makes me lazy. There's nothing to defend from, nothing I can say.

I'll make a case of my own if I find something that deserves a case. But I'm not going to create a terrible case on someone else just to save my own ass.

It's not to save your own ass, it's to provide information to the town. Shake a few trees and see what falls out. Otherwise there's no way people are going to be able to form opinions about the 20 other players in the game. There are going to be terrible cases on Day 1, it's a fact of life. But if there are 10 to choose from rather than 1, there's more chance that one of them will actually be right. So throw some dirt against the wall and see what sticks rather than just sitting back and accepting the inevitable.




EDIT: Crosspost w/ Rashan.

In the grand mafia tradition of strawmaning I prefer to throw Mud against a wall and see what sticks. Dirt is so dry. Mud has much better consistency. Lets take a look at what Mockra has posted so far. No content, no defense. He screams scum.

Mockra, on 14 March 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

Hello all!

Checking in, only 5 pages, a pleasant surprise, wil go have a reread.

5 minutes between Sorrit accusing Mockra and Mockra coming online.

[D'riss]

Tennes, on 20 March 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

I just tried to quote that one but was saying I had too many quote marks. Are you doing this on purpose as well? I noticed Kalse/Omtose and Gamelon in there as well. He was trying to push for connections between players. Rashan/Barghast, Tennes/Olar, Kalse/Omtose, Rashan/Barghast and Gamelon/Tennes.

This opens up a lot of wifom. You may be more accurate with his earlier vote on Mockra. I find Mockra's play scummy. He stayed off the first two lynch trains and then comes out when called yesterday to vote for an "obvious" lynch. When I get home i'm going to have a look at him and Serc.

Doing what as well? All I see is the list of possible connections he was looking at, which as you pointed out were: Rashan/Barghast, Tennes/Olar, Kalse/Omtose, Rashan/Barghast and Gamelon/Tennes
He didn't build a case on any of them, so I don't see him as a particular threat to anyone, more likely trying to lay low so as not to get much attention. My guess is that he was a recruit and was picked off by Silanah.

[Tennes]

Mockra, on 14 March 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

Ok caught up. Quite a lot of stuff for day 1.

I am not sure about the Rashan thing the initial case didnt' really strike me as much, but I found the way Tellan has seemed to defend it has made it scummier to me. If someone has a problem with something Rashan has said, then Rashan should explain himself which he did, quite well not sure why Tellan thought he should come along and stick his oar in as well.

And then when Rashan sorta gave in and said he might be lynched and was called out on it by someone, I didn't like how Tellan found that to be scummy and seemed to defend Rashan again.

If your inno and got 2 or 3 votes on day 1 and your giving up? I wanna see you fight as well to not be lynched. And Tellan seemed to find that people wanting Rashan to fight is odd? Why is it odd?

On the other hand Rashan himself I haven't found scummy nor would I normally think its a case worth voting on outside Tellan there.


Other thing I found vaguely unsettling was Korvalain and his vote on Fener which he claimed he was doing as he was following his glorious leaders lead. Which was wrong of course, and when called out on it he still continued to happily vote Fener for some other reason. Guess its only vote 2 or something on Fener so wasn't a big deal, however Korvalain had replied to Silanahs initial vote where he voted for Rashan previously and had commented he found Rashan to be suspicous or whatever so I guess he may have just forgotten all of that. . And it seems like such an outlandish slip its no way it was possible.
Still would like to hear from Korvalain anyway just to clear it up.

This post has taken me about an hour to write I hate playing from work.

This is his second post. The thread had moved away from Mockra. He comes on, mentions a few things about various players. The Atrahal/Tellan debate starts here and clogs up the thread a little. He has a little back and forth with Tellan his response being

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Sorry had a busy day and couldn't really post today. Just catching up a litlte.

Well Tellan I guess was its more a pattern of you defending Rashan as it seemed on a few occasions there, then making a case and putting a vote on the person who tried to prod Rashan. While it was the only game in town at the time, I found your efforts made it look worse than it may have been.

As to Korvalain, sure he may have forgotten, but if he was voting because Silanah was voting for that person, then when he found out Silanah was voting for someone else the same someone Korv had said he was a little scummy, then why make up another reason and keep the vote on Fener and not switch? If it was Day 3, I'd find it seriously weird, but since its Day 1 I was almost going to it slide but got a vaguely bad vibe from Korvalain and wanted to put it out there.

Korv then replies with

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I'm still doing my catch up but I had to stop and comment on this. Why am I the only one to make note of what Mockra actually said. He has a total of 3 posts yet his very first post claims that his is Checking in but is also doing a reread. How can you do both? If you are doing a reread you have been lurking and thus not commenting. If you are truly checking in then there is nothing to reread because you haven't read it yet.

Now I stand by my feeling that this game should be focused more on the low posters at least initially. Though Fener still falls into this category I'm going to have to switch to Mockra. This looks like scum slipped up and admitted they were lurking.

remove vote

vote mockra

His next post (after this point by Korv)

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Hey all, back and around now. Will go have a check up on whats gone on, about half an hour till lynch?

His response to Korv

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So its an hour and a half I think till lynch going from the previous vote update, and its looking like Karosis or no one at this point so I will be voting for Karosis. Guess will wait for a Path Shaper update I think he's at L-1 now.

@Korvalain - I said reread because on the train in before I hit work I had a quick browse of the thread to see if the game had started or not and got through a page and a half or so before getting to work, from where I logged into my main got my alt password, logged in as my alt etc etc.

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Graceful exit ST! Sorry it ended that way.

Guess its just a wait for night now. Anyone going to be around?

[Tennes]

If you look at Mockra something seems off. I cannot put my finger on it yet. He tries to attack the lynch train but when asked he said he would have voted that way. When Atrahal votes for him for "copying" Karosis' summary he posts a massive post comparing the two as if we couldn't actually see the two posts. He then does disappear.

Korvalain, on 14 March 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 14 March 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:

Mockra, on 14 March 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

Hello all!

Checking in, only 5 pages, a pleasant surprise, wil go have a reread.

I have to admit that you have now significantly weakened my case. But your simple line is not yet enough to force me to change my perspective and vote.

I'm still doing my catch up but I had to stop and comment on this. Why am I the only one to make note of what Mockra actually said. He has a total of 3 posts yet his very first post claims that his is Checking in but is also doing a reread. How can you do both? If you are doing a reread you have been lurking and thus not commenting. If you are truly checking in then there is nothing to reread because you haven't read it yet.

Now I stand by my feeling that this game should be focused more on the low posters at least initially. Though Fener still falls into this category I'm going to have to switch to Mockra. This looks like scum slipped up and admitted they were lurking.

remove vote

vote mockra

Mockra, on 15 March 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

Hey all, back and around now. Will go have a check up on whats gone on, about half an hour till lynch?

Mockra, on 15 March 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

So no kills then? Interesting, this could be a long slow game with a lot of player numbers for the cult(s) to hide in.

Well I am around now Barghast, unfortunately it seems to be a bit of a quiet time at the moment. Did you get bored with the italics?

Anyway I guess I will go back and look at that train on Karosis and see if any of the votes stand out.

Mockra, on 15 March 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

Ahh right, well hope Liosan follows along as well then and stops his RP.

Mockra, on 15 March 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

So looking back at Karosis train.

First up is D'riss who I guess made the original case. I have no issue with this vote or the case really, it was Day 1 seemed reasonable.

D said:

Another vote change Karosis? Working together with Rashan maybe? Both of these ones guys seem a bit scummy to me, but Karosis more so.

vote Karosis

I may be persuaded to vote Rashan for a lynch.

Ok second up is Okaros who got in a vaguely OMGUS fight with Karosis.

Okaros said:

Really? "a blatant exhibition of the cancerous attitude"? "flaunting points of view"? "I can't allow this to stand"? And you're going to force me to participate? This post is disgusting. You are using ridiculous and overblown language in an attempt to influence people. Did I say I wanted the day to go by without a lynch? I specifically said that things discovered on day one can lead to discoveries further on. But to pretend that day one cases will lead to anything other than a lynched townie is rubbish, and pretending otherwise is misleading.

I dislike your constant vote changing, and your overreaction to my post. Your comment that you are goin to force me to contribute revolts me, and I think you are stupid if you think I'm trying not to garner any heat. Why would I not just check in and leave if I was trying to drift?

So, at the risk of sounding OMGUS,

Vote Karosis.

Finally, does anyone else find Liosan's posts a little strange? That was some epically long summarising going on.

Next up is Kalse, who had similiar reasons to D'riss and I guess Okaros to put on vote number 3.

Kalse said:

In the first underline, he is once again telling people how to play the game. It seems to him there is only 1 way, his way. In the second underline, he gives us insight to his thought process. How can you be attached to a case that isn't a case. His case was an analyzation of RP. When I defended,he said I got defensive. (even though, he had previously stated that if you don't defend, you have something to hide). AND YET, he has no problem switching his vote to uphold his high standards of mafia play. In the third underline, he seems to take the moral high road as if other people's play style is an affront to him personally. He comes across as pompous, know-it-all, and is trying to tell people how to play the game. He seems to be trying to run the game and, talk out of both sides of his mouth, and says whatever is convenient at the time to make people see things his way. At worst he is a townie that will do us no favors and only look at things from his side, and if recruited, dominate the thread with his views and opinions, at best he is a recruiter, trying to run the show. Either way, he seems like a fine lynch to me.

vote Karosis

More thoughts on other players are forthcoming.

[Tennes]

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Ok now things start to get interesting. Barghast with his vote which is the 4th vote and starting the train up.

Barghast said:

Given that others seem unvilling to follow the venerable traditions and remove the heinous Fener, I will turn my attention elsewhere.

Karosis has been extremely erratic in their play, showing an odd willingness to jump around and attack nearly everyone in the court. The amount of flimsy accusations he has thrown around may easily prove a fatal distraction.


remove vote

vote Karosis

Then Emurlahn pops on to put vote number 5 on.

Emurlahn said:

I'm going to bed.

remove vote
vote Karosis


Right now that is the lynch that seems the most likely to happen.

Then Silanah and pretty much the train is inevitable at this point with time running out.

Silanah said:

Only 2.5 hours left in Day 1 and still no lynch? Surprising... Normally we get lynches easily on Day 1...
OK. A Korvalain lynch seems unlikely, a Karosis lynch seems likely with about half the votes needed already on him. I see no other option for a lynch that we can pull together in 2.5 hours so, sorry Karosis...
Vote Karosis

Then there was Tennes which is the most unconvincing of the votes to me.

Tennes said:

remove vote

Vote karosis he was one of my top 3 today and silanah's voted that way.

And then Olar Ethil

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I think he is not just abrasive and erratic but it feels like he is trying to run the thread and is doing it by setting himself up as some kind of authority in the way he talks and interacts with other players. None of it sits right with me and if Tellan's symping of Rashan was fake I think he was trying to distract from Karosis.

and because I am now going to bed:

Vote Karosis.

Then Korvalain after throwing his toys out of his cot then and voting for himself switched over as well.

Korvalain said:

I need to go cool off. And I have to go so.

remove vote

vote karosis

Which was 9 votes and not much time left finally left Atrahal and Sorrit/Rashan to hammer.

So looking through that, what can we make of it all? Well quite frankly fuck all really.
Karosis had done enough on Day 1 that most people used the same excuse to vote him, and it seems legitimate enough for a Day 1 case. He played similiar to how Jump Around played as a symp in the vet game and on Day 1
it doens't take much to get a vote on someone.

The vote I like least is from Tennes, it was getting close to inevitable at that point, and voting just cos Silanah is voting for that person seems I dunno... weak?

Not sure about Barghast as well. To me his vote seemed similiar in reason to the others, but I felt it vaguely forced, especially after Fener's lynch not going anywhere. Although maybe I just read it worse from his
RP way of doing it.

Might go and have a quick reread of Tennes and see if that reveals anything.


Anyone else got any thoughts?

Mockra, on 15 March 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

Did you miss my post? There was an hour or half or so to go before lynch when I posted this and about 5 or 6 of us around and I noticed Path Shaper's name was in the list of people viewing at the bottom.

Mockra said:

So its an hour and a half I think till lynch going from the previous vote update, and its looking like Karosis or no one at this point so I will be voting for Karosis. Guess will wait for a Path Shaper update I think he's at L-1 now.

However 3 minutes after I posted that Karosis was hammered so I didn't need to vote. There was plenty of people happy to do it, me included and lots of time. After that I had time and no one was around, so why wouldn't I look at the train? Are you saying only people who voted on the train can look at it or something?

Mockra, on 15 March 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Well I would have voted for Karosis because there was an hour and a half to go, and he had 9 votes and we needed 11 to lynch and there was no other possible choice that could be considered.

And to be honest that was the strongest Day 1 case we had so its hard to point fingers at people for voting on it as such. As I said in what I optimistically described as an analysis of the train, where I said.. and I quote, "So looking through that, what can we make of it all? Well quite frankly fuck all really."

Yours and to a lesser extent Barghasts were the only two I pointed out that had a vague shady vibe.

If you had said, "I'm voting Karosis because he's being voting all over the place and I don't like the way he's been playing" I'd have not really had an issue. I think it was you tacking on the end because your voting with Silanah, like you wanted to use our CI as an excuse or something.

Atrahal, on 15 March 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

Okaros, on 15 March 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

Mockra, that's a great summary.

No, it isn't.

Vote Mockra

For repeating almost exactly the analysis of the lynch train which Karosis made just before he was lynched, down to exactly who he found the most suspicious, and then passing it off as his own analysis.

I'm also happy to vote Tennes for the stupidity/scumminess of the Silanah reasoning for a vote on Karosis, as no one seems willing to lay their cads on the table regarding Rashan, despite quite a few of you going 'ooh, that's another suspicious thing you've done, Rashan.'

Mockra, on 15 March 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

Not at all, I went and got all the vote posts, put them together and wrote what I thought thank you very much. If you find the analysis similiar thats because there's not much else to say about it.
Lets go through it then and see what I wrote and what Karosis wrote?

He said: First vote, happened much earlier than the others. His only reasoning seems to be on the back of vote changing, of which the first two were jokes. Possibly the cause of that fallacy I was talking about earlier.
I said: First up is D'riss who I guess made the original case. I have no issue with this vote or the case really, it was Day 1 seemed reasonable.
I think that a little different, but how would you describe it?

Second vote
He said: Okaros - OMGUS vote. No reasoning other than OMGUS (which is bad reasoning, but understandable).
I said: Ok second up is Okaros who got in a vaguely OMGUS fight with Karosis.
Okaros even said it was almost OMGUS in his vote. How would you put it?

Third vote
He said: OMGUS vote with some dodgy reasoning attached. Seems to have got the idea that you have to build up Day 1 cases past the level they objectively deserve because there's nothing else to go on, but gets annoyed when it is done to him.
I said: Next up is Kalse, who had similiar reasons to D'riss and I guess Okaros to put on vote number 3.
Go take a look at his vote post, again what differnce from the analysis would you be expecting? He basically agreed with D'riss and Okaros and voted accordingly.

Fourth vote
He said: Claims I will be a distraction. This precipitated the landslide...makes me suspicious.
I said: Ok now things start to get interesting. Barghast with his vote which is the 4th vote and starting the train up.
And then: Not sure about Barghast as well. To me his vote seemed similiar in reason to the others, but I felt it vaguely forced, especially after Fener's lynch not going anywhere. Although maybe I just read it worse from his
RP way of doing it.
I like to think its different there and I wrote why I found it slightly scummy. So I'd say thats different.

Fifth vote Emurlahn
He said: Most likely lynch, doesn't have any reasoning. Reprehensible, faintly scummy.
I said: Then Emurlahn pops on to put vote number 5 on.

I didnt' mention it be be scummy, and didn't find it so. Again we differ.


Sixth vote was Silanah.
He said: Beyond reproach as emperor.
I said : Then Silanah and pretty much the train is inevitable at this point with time running out.
Well its hard to analysis on the CI, I dunno if that differs or not.


Seventh vote was Tennes:
He said:Claims I was in his top 3...don't have time to go and check whether he actually listed those three anywhere. Uses Silanah's vote as a reason, which is very flawed.
I said: Then there was Tennes which is the most unconvincing of the votes to me.

And I went to explain why I find it vaguely scummy later on. I think that differs a little or at least I explained why I found it vageuly scummy which is different from him calling it flawed.


Eigth vote which was Olar Ethil:
He said: - Says maybe Tellan is trying to distract from me, which seems odd since I'm almost certainly trying to draw attention to myself. Feels faintly OMGUS.
I said didn't really mention him as it was a forgone conclusion at this point. So again we differ.

Finally

Ninth vote:
He said: Appears very confused, since he was self voting just prior. Doesn't find me to be a good target, but wants a lynch. Reasonable sentiments, he feels cleaner with this than a lot of the other votes (but maybe that's just 'cause he's defending me...would have to do a fuller readthrough to make a good determination about his guilt).

I said: Then Korvalain after throwing his toys out of his cot then and voting for himself switched over as well.

Not sure if that one differs or not.


The last two were the hammer votes where there was no real choices so I didn't bother with them.


But I tell you what, why don't you go back and do an analysis and see how wildly different it is from mine, or Karosis? How else would you describe some of those votes?
Anyway I think they were different enough and I provided reasons as such as I could as to my thoughts.

Mockra, on 15 March 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Anyway I'm out of here for 12 or so hours, might be able to make it on again after dinner but I doubt it.

[Tennes]

He went away all day two and didn't get any heat..

Tennes, on 19 March 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

So Mockra and Serc did not vote either day. That is interesting. What does anyone else think of the two trains?

I mention his name and low and behold..

Mockra, on 19 March 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

Sorry all, haven't really had a chance to read the thread since about Thursday. Not really going to get a chance to post or read up whats happened till about 15 hours or so from now fingers crossed.

I presume its Day 3, how long do we have to go?

Mockra, on 19 March 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

Ahh never mind, cross post. So weekend break just ended now? Sweet! Will try and go read up in the next 10 or so minutes before I have to disappear.

@Tennes - I don't recall voting all game, Day 1 joke vote or otherwise.

[Tennes]

I have to go, be back later to finish of and see what i've drawn up from looking at Mockra.

[Ruse]

interesting...

[Olar Ethil]

Omtose, on 20 March 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

The math in my head thinks there is four scum in each team now. That's half the players. But I'm thinking one team leader went hunting last night instead of recruiting.

This seems a bit like scaremongering omtose, we don't know what kind of recruiting conditions are in play, actually, I was unaware we even knew how many scum teams there are.


I'm going to read over some of Sorrit's interactions and have a closer look at Mockra, just looking over what Tennes has posted makes me uneasy, i've had almost an aversion to Mockra so far, i've never felt particularly good about him but never really looked very closely for some reason. He fits into the mould that people have said they are interested in and though he has been mentioned on a few occasions is generally never very greatly looked at or prodded.

[Barghast]

I am honoured that you guys consider me so important you list my supposed connection with Rashan twice. in like 3 posts in a row, no less.




not sure about mockra, will have to look into this... after some homework.

[Tellan]

Sorry for my inactivity, way busier IRL than I expected.

I'll try and read up, but I'm way behind and haven't much time. I should be able to be around for longer in 5 or 6 hours though.

Really sorry all.

[Rashan]

I'd be willing to vote Mockra.

[Rashan]

Whew. Sure is quiet around here.

[Kalse]

Mockra has been suspicious to me all game.

vote Mockra

I have 0 time today. I am caught up, but only breifly skimmed. I really don't buy a Rashan case as a leader, no one is so certain about a lynch.. and then wrong. Leaders don't put themselves out there like that. I still stand by the reasoning that a leader is going to be in the mid to low posting range.

Anyway, thats really all I have. There has been little in the way of interactions on the thread, so not much analysis to be done. Pity that the game has really bogged down with only 1 NK in 3 nights...for me, thats usually my main source of info, poking and prodding. When no one dies, it's like a never ending day. hard to move on from issues. (See Liosan)

[Silanah]

I'm here for a little, sorry if i've been away a lot. I understand the mockra suspicions and agree. I still am waiting on Tellan to post some content again, but also would like Mockra to explain/defend himself. I will have to go soon though.