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What do you think about Tellan? Worth lynching?
Warring States Interlude One: Imperial Influences Ten years later...
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:13 PM
One last thing, D'riss. Another point about that pushing a lynch thing. This is not killers vs. innos. This is a recruitment game. Why would scum want to push a lynch on one of their potential recruitment pool. I only see scum pushing if they're certain the person they're pushing it on is from another faction - and what's the probability of that on day 1?
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:17 PM
Rashan, on 15 March 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:
More just hoping you see and understand the confusion and frustration 
What do you think about Tellan? Worth lynching?
What do you think about Tellan? Worth lynching?
Tellan's been very quiet ever since we stopped our bitch-fest. His last post which I remember suggested that he was going to move his attentions from me to you. He seems extremely certain of things. I don't know what that says really. When I was arguing with him, I got the impression I was butting heads with a townie, and my comments about him distancing/defending were more designed to wind him up than anything else (not very HELPFUL, I know
). I think I would have to hear more from him today to decide on it - but from my own viewpoint so far, I wouldn't miss him much. Unfortunately, that kind of reasoning tends to be frowned upon
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:21 PM
I'm sorry if I am not playing up to your incredibly verbal standard. I have tried to venture my opinions which is somewhat better than a few of our non-existant posters.
So allow me to respond in kind.....
The vibe I'm getting from you is that you are being too chummy in order to play against the lurking non-helpful vibe we want to see in scum. This tactic worked pretty well in the last game...
So allow me to respond in kind.....
Atrahal, on 15 March 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:
I have to say I'm pretty confused by this case attempt. Not the attempt itself, I'm glad D'riss has finally decided to join in proper-like, but the case, in my perhaps completely biased opinion, tries very hard to make mountains out of molehills. Ok, here we go:
Exploit this faux pas? I would argue it was pointing something out that struck me, and judging from the initial reaction, I wasn't the only one who had felt that way. 'Exploiting' would, I'd argue, be jumping on someone else's case/argument and pushing that.
Your 'seed is planted' line makes it sound as if my terrible plan to get Rashan lynched was only foiled at the very last minute, which was clearly not the case. You need to explain exactly why your reread suddenly clears Rashan in your mind.
When I( reread, I felt like Rashan didn't do any other significant activity that made me feel like he looked guilty. I think this case just didn't look good enough for you to stay on like you did.
This bothered most of us. Good ol Atrahal being so helpful!
This was to do with me responding to Rashan's early 'woe is me, I'm going to get lynched' comment. What is D'riss' comment here meant to prove? Is this even part of the case? On the one hand, D'riss is clearly being sarcastic, but on the other hand he validates my comment by saying that it did in fact resonate with a lot of players.
I seem to remember a similar move done in the last game by GH. A kind show of good sportsmanship. *gags* Oh crap! I'm not using my sarcasm italics!
Of all my spam and semi-serious posts that D'riss could have picked - and I admit there've been a few, he picks this?! I really don't understand. I outline who I find suspicious and why....and that's a crime?
Initially I selected a lot of them, then maxed out the quote limit. I'm working so I deleted a bunch. I think anyone can skim back through and read all the crap.
Ok, what? Constantly reminded of time? D'riss only gives one example of me saying how much time left, while the other one simply corrects my mistake. Tell me, if I was pushing a lynch, why didn't I jump on Karosis when the votes started piling on him? On top of that, I'm hardly the only one who mentioned how much time was left. This was just a really weird statement to make, and struck me as very weak.
I read this as pressure to hurry up and vote. Don't think just lynch.
I really don't understand how D'riss comes to this reasoning. Yes, I am eager to post and play - that's just how I happen to be playing. If you get the feeling that I'm faking helpfulness, then fine, fair enough. But, first off, define being helpful please. Helpful would be, what? Being agreeable, discussing people's ideas, etc, right? I think most would argue that I've been more aggressive than helpful. But it's that latter sentence which really confounds me. I seemed to push everyone by constantly reminding them of the time and vote. So I mentioned the time, what, once? And I believe the only time I mentioned the vote was to ask someone to REMOVE their vote from Karosis when he came on as I thought he was on L-1. So this is patently untrue reasoning.
D, on 15 March 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:
OK, after doing my reread, I'm thinking I feel better about Rashan. It would be stupid for scum to speculate on thread about bribes. I think this was just innocent game questioning, however it did peak all of our curiosity. Now what seems suspicious to me is who decided to exploit this faux pas.
So now the seed is planted in our heads and this rings true because we are all overly suspicious anyways.
So now the seed is planted in our heads and this rings true because we are all overly suspicious anyways.
Exploit this faux pas? I would argue it was pointing something out that struck me, and judging from the initial reaction, I wasn't the only one who had felt that way. 'Exploiting' would, I'd argue, be jumping on someone else's case/argument and pushing that.
Your 'seed is planted' line makes it sound as if my terrible plan to get Rashan lynched was only foiled at the very last minute, which was clearly not the case. You need to explain exactly why your reread suddenly clears Rashan in your mind.
When I( reread, I felt like Rashan didn't do any other significant activity that made me feel like he looked guilty. I think this case just didn't look good enough for you to stay on like you did.
D, on 15 March 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:
This bothered most of us. Good ol Atrahal being so helpful!
This was to do with me responding to Rashan's early 'woe is me, I'm going to get lynched' comment. What is D'riss' comment here meant to prove? Is this even part of the case? On the one hand, D'riss is clearly being sarcastic, but on the other hand he validates my comment by saying that it did in fact resonate with a lot of players.
I seem to remember a similar move done in the last game by GH. A kind show of good sportsmanship. *gags* Oh crap! I'm not using my sarcasm italics!
D, on 15 March 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:
I feel like the next slew of posts are trying too hard to be that helpful, over eager townie. There were sooooo many spam posts and 'helpful' discussions that there were just too many to quote. Here's just one example:
Atrahal, on 14 March 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:
So my suspects at the moment, as well as Rashan (duh), are Omtose, because of his questioning of one of Korvalain's posts which I found strange (and which Tellan also took umbrage over ). It struck me as someone trying too hard to think as a townie and pointing out something as signalling which would only make sense if the person doing it (Korv in this case) was in fact a townie himself. Yeah, I know this is a mega-stretch at the moment but I plead day 1.
My other suspects, according to a mathematical formula for finding scum which I have devised, are Kalse and D'riss. No case, no post analysis, no gut feeling, just pure and simple maths. Who can argue against the logic of mathematics eh?
). It struck me as someone trying too hard to think as a townie and pointing out something as signalling which would only make sense if the person doing it (Korv in this case) was in fact a townie himself. Yeah, I know this is a mega-stretch at the moment but I plead day 1.My other suspects, according to a mathematical formula for finding scum which I have devised, are Kalse and D'riss. No case, no post analysis, no gut feeling, just pure and simple maths. Who can argue against the logic of mathematics eh?
Of all my spam and semi-serious posts that D'riss could have picked - and I admit there've been a few, he picks this?! I really don't understand. I outline who I find suspicious and why....and that's a crime?
Initially I selected a lot of them, then maxed out the quote limit. I'm working so I deleted a bunch. I think anyone can skim back through and read all the crap.
D, on 15 March 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:
And then we are constantly reminded of time. Trying to push a lynch?
Ok, what? Constantly reminded of time? D'riss only gives one example of me saying how much time left, while the other one simply corrects my mistake. Tell me, if I was pushing a lynch, why didn't I jump on Karosis when the votes started piling on him? On top of that, I'm hardly the only one who mentioned how much time was left. This was just a really weird statement to make, and struck me as very weak.
I read this as pressure to hurry up and vote. Don't think just lynch.
D, on 15 March 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:
So in summary, I'm going to:
vote Atrahal
He's just too overeager. A high volume of nonsense posts or just seeming to 'help everyone out'. Seemed to really push everyone on the lynch last night by reminding constantly of the time and to vote.
vote Atrahal
He's just too overeager. A high volume of nonsense posts or just seeming to 'help everyone out'. Seemed to really push everyone on the lynch last night by reminding constantly of the time and to vote.
I really don't understand how D'riss comes to this reasoning. Yes, I am eager to post and play - that's just how I happen to be playing. If you get the feeling that I'm faking helpfulness, then fine, fair enough. But, first off, define being helpful please. Helpful would be, what? Being agreeable, discussing people's ideas, etc, right? I think most would argue that I've been more aggressive than helpful. But it's that latter sentence which really confounds me. I seemed to push everyone by constantly reminding them of the time and vote. So I mentioned the time, what, once? And I believe the only time I mentioned the vote was to ask someone to REMOVE their vote from Karosis when he came on as I thought he was on L-1. So this is patently untrue reasoning.
The vibe I'm getting from you is that you are being too chummy in order to play against the lurking non-helpful vibe we want to see in scum. This tactic worked pretty well in the last game...
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:25 PM
Atrahal, on 15 March 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:
D, on 15 March 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:
I read his going after multiple people as no clear direction, and trying to raise suspicion on multiple fronts.
Can you go into more detail here please, D'riss. Which multiple people did I go after. There was Rashan, and then....what?
Perhaps you mean Tellan, who made a case on ME and then I responded?
Perhaps you mean that I mentioned Omtose as being suspicious to me?
Perhaps you mean the fact that I agreed, once, with Karosis that he might have something about Kalse?
So, at a stretch, that's...what? 3 people out of 20? In addition, wouldn't it strike you as very strange if I mentioned just one person on day 1?
You're right I confused notes on you here with the notes on others. I'm doing this while at work.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:25 PM
@ D'riss.
You made only one new point there - that I wasn't just pushing for a lynch, but pushing for votes.
Yes, I was, this is true. I thought there were only a few hours left and I feared we might not reach any consensus, seeing as there were about ten different people being voted for.
So essentially your case boils down to a 'vibe', as you yourself state. Well, I can hardly argue against that...
You made only one new point there - that I wasn't just pushing for a lynch, but pushing for votes.
Yes, I was, this is true. I thought there were only a few hours left and I feared we might not reach any consensus, seeing as there were about ten different people being voted for.
So essentially your case boils down to a 'vibe', as you yourself state. Well, I can hardly argue against that...
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:30 PM
Right, caught up.
The first thing that strikes me is that liosan continues to ignore the concerns we have against him. he is not helpful, I see him more as distraction than anything else.
While I still dislike atrahal, I think the case on him is pretty weak.
I still want to look more at barghast. that list of low posters is a case in point. Way to look like you're contributing while giving no new information. picking on low posters for the sake of being low posters is about as lazy as it gets.
EDIT: accidentally posted before I was finished.
The first thing that strikes me is that liosan continues to ignore the concerns we have against him. he is not helpful, I see him more as distraction than anything else.
While I still dislike atrahal, I think the case on him is pretty weak.
I still want to look more at barghast. that list of low posters is a case in point. Way to look like you're contributing while giving no new information. picking on low posters for the sake of being low posters is about as lazy as it gets.
EDIT: accidentally posted before I was finished.
This post has been edited by Okaros: 15 March 2012 - 08:35 PM
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:33 PM
Okaros, on 15 March 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:
Right, caught up.
The first thing that strikes me is that liosan continues to ignore the concerns we have against him. he is not helpful, I see him more as distraction than anything else.
While I still dislike atrahal, I think the case on him is pretty weak.
I still want to look more as
The first thing that strikes me is that liosan continues to ignore the concerns we have against him. he is not helpful, I see him more as distraction than anything else.
While I still dislike atrahal, I think the case on him is pretty weak.
I still want to look more as
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:39 PM
Atrahal, on 15 March 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:
Okaros, on 15 March 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:
Right, caught up.
The first thing that strikes me is that liosan continues to ignore the concerns we have against him. he is not helpful, I see him more as distraction than anything else.
While I still dislike atrahal, I think the case on him is pretty weak.
I still want to look more as
The first thing that strikes me is that liosan continues to ignore the concerns we have against him. he is not helpful, I see him more as distraction than anything else.
While I still dislike atrahal, I think the case on him is pretty weak.
I still want to look more as
haha, no, I'm posting from my phone...
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:40 PM
Okaros, on 15 March 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:
Right, caught up.
The first thing that strikes me is that liosan continues to ignore the concerns we have against him. he is not helpful, I see him more as distraction than anything else.
While I still dislike atrahal, I think the case on him is pretty weak.
I still want to look more at barghast. that list of low posters is a case in point. Way to look like you're contributing while giving no new information. picking on low posters for the sake of being low posters is about as lazy as it gets.
EDIT: accidentally posted before I was finished.
The first thing that strikes me is that liosan continues to ignore the concerns we have against him. he is not helpful, I see him more as distraction than anything else.
While I still dislike atrahal, I think the case on him is pretty weak.
I still want to look more at barghast. that list of low posters is a case in point. Way to look like you're contributing while giving no new information. picking on low posters for the sake of being low posters is about as lazy as it gets.
EDIT: accidentally posted before I was finished.
So what do YOU not like about Atrahal other than my crappy 'vibes'?
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:45 PM
Atrahal, on 15 March 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:
Okaros, on 15 March 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:
Right, caught up.
The first thing that strikes me is that liosan continues to ignore the concerns we have against him. he is not helpful, I see him more as distraction than anything else.
While I still dislike atrahal, I think the case on him is pretty weak.
I still want to look more as
The first thing that strikes me is that liosan continues to ignore the concerns we have against him. he is not helpful, I see him more as distraction than anything else.
While I still dislike atrahal, I think the case on him is pretty weak.
I still want to look more as
Oh wait, I just got what you meant. Guess I'm a little slow today.
Mostly what I dislike about you is your pushiness. Especially yesterday. However, I think you've defended yourself well and made some good points.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:50 PM
D, on 15 March 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:
Okaros, on 15 March 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:
Right, caught up.
The first thing that strikes me is that liosan continues to ignore the concerns we have against him. he is not helpful, I see him more as distraction than anything else.
While I still dislike atrahal, I think the case on him is pretty weak.
I still want to look more at barghast. that list of low posters is a case in point. Way to look like you're contributing while giving no new information. picking on low posters for the sake of being low posters is about as lazy as it gets.
EDIT: accidentally posted before I was finished.
The first thing that strikes me is that liosan continues to ignore the concerns we have against him. he is not helpful, I see him more as distraction than anything else.
While I still dislike atrahal, I think the case on him is pretty weak.
I still want to look more at barghast. that list of low posters is a case in point. Way to look like you're contributing while giving no new information. picking on low posters for the sake of being low posters is about as lazy as it gets.
EDIT: accidentally posted before I was finished.
So what do YOU not like about Atrahal other than my crappy 'vibes'?
I'll stand by what I said day one. Vibes, gut, whatever you want to call it, aren't worth anything unless you can back it up with a decent case. I dislike atrahal for his pushy and adversarial manner, but I think that is more his playing style than anything else.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:52 PM
Barghast is giving me a bit of a bad gut vibe right now. On my phone so can't post much right now. Also, I know you responded to D'riss's case, Atrahal, but didn't respond to me, which makes it seem like you can't respond to questioning/cases without accusing the accuser of being scum or cult.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 08:54 PM
Atrahal, on 15 March 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:
There's still 4 players on single-digit number of posts, but I dislike lynching low posters for the sake of it unless we're truly desperate. I'd be interested to see this look at Barghast, Okaros.
It's too tricky to do from my phone, but when I get home in a few hours I'll take a closer look at what's bothering me about barghast. From memory, he has posted very little in the way of content, so his being suspicious of low posters is a bit rich.
