[dktorode]

I AM A FLAMING HOMOSEXUAL

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 03 March 2012 - 03:36 AM

[Galayn Lord]

dktorode, on 02 March 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

its sorta nostalgic watching the newbs game....

[dktorode]

Galayn Lord, on 02 March 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

dktorode, on 02 March 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

its sorta nostalgic watching the newbs game....

I AM A FLAMING HOMOSEXUAL

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 03 March 2012 - 03:36 AM

[Korabas]

Galayn Lord, on 02 March 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

dktorode, on 02 March 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

its sorta nostalgic watching the newbs game....

Why do you blame brood?

[Korabas]

Thread is dead...

[Atrahal]

AHAHAHAHA! Pathshaper, you are awesome!

[Anthras]

Im back now. Sorry been visiting family. Will have a read and post my thought.

[Galayn Lord]

Galayn Lord, on 02 March 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

dktorode, on 02 March 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

its sorta nostalgic watching the newbs game....

Looks like P-S missed one though

[Korabas]

Anthras, on 03 March 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

<br />Im back now. Sorry been visiting family. Will have a read and post my thought.<br />

<br /><br /><br />

Slow reader is slow

[Korlat]

Right then, thoughts on day 1, a complete mess, I know, easy for me to say but though the reveal came too early it definitely looked like it was heading for a premature lynch and no one was actually listening much to Okaros' defense, even though he repeated it...repeatedly. Although the timing with Korabas wasn't perfect, I have a feeling there was in fact time zone issues between those two lovers. I wouldn't give Korabas a free pass, because this is mafia and I am a suspicious bastard but Kara was right, after raging was set aside, which, is just a normal part of mafia, I see nothing bizarre there, she did step up and gave her thought on who her suspects were and gave reasons and a certain amount of back up.

Tiam really was keen to get an Okaros lynch and her day 2 posts are not sitting quite right either, I don't think she is scum, as she said herself she's making too many waves and putting things out there, her behaviour to me seems much more in line with a symp.

So far we seem to have quite a pool of suspects, I think i'd agree with the main ones people have been mentioning. Thyr, Anthras and Tiam (though again, I suspect she is a symp).

[Korlat]

Thyrllan, on 02 March 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 02 March 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

Does anyone think that we should let today go by without a lynch?

Scummy. ^

Wrong. Notice I made a question. I didn't use the word "else" to imply that I thought that we should. At the time, we were spinning the wheels. I was looking to see what people were thinking. People, like Kara for example, remark that I ask questions. That's how I find things out, responses to questions contain info we can use. I can see you calling this scummy (3 times no less) if I were lobbying for a no lynch, or night or whatever.

This is quite a classic scum play here Thyr, to phrase something that could be seen as questionable as an open question, so someone else can then pick it up as a good idea and run with it, they can take the fall if it turns out to be scummy. If people straight off don't like it, it is easy to weasel out of it by saying, well, exactly what you said here.

Yes we ask question and prod at inconsistencies to get answers and ideas but you don't make vauge half-suggestions like that. You were looking to see what people where thinking? Well fine, but if you expect people to let you know what they are thinking, first let them know what you are thinking, you say now if someone had agreed with this you would have said you didn't think it was a good idea, we can't know that at all, we have your word for it, whereas if you had asked the question and stated you didn't think personally it would be the right move for x,y,x reasons then we'd have had some idea of where you stood on it and how people reacted to both the question and your personal thoughts.

This though, it comes off as extremely scummy.

[Korlat]

Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

Oddly enough my thoughts are happy ones not involving dragons riding even thnough that appears to be the current subject matter.

Im just thinking to an hour hence when I get to leave my place of work and go home for a nice long weekend.

Oh god im making myself sick with all this politeness. Somebody please stop me.

Vote Anthras

this help

Early vote laid on Athras here by Tiam, on page two, possibly a vote to signal. Interestingly on page three, Thyr also lays an early vote on Anthras but removes it a couple of posts later, admittedly if they were paired killers this would be a very strange move and you'd have thought they'd have avoided interaction, the last game though goes to show this is not always the case. They have an exchange again after Anthras lays what appears to be a more serious vote on Okaros for his Kara vote, which looked like a joke vote to me.

Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 29 February 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

Does anyone know how to make writing bold on a mobile device? Most of my posts will be done this way sadly.

Yes, you need to use square brackets around the letter "b", with a closing slash, like so :

[ b ] Vote Anthras [/ b ]

becomes

Vote Anthras

When you remove the spaces near the brackets. Very, very simple and yet no one ever seems to learn... Didn't anyone else post on message boards when that was the ONLY way to make bold font?

did you mean to vote him ha ha

I think this may have been pointed at before, but it was not long after this that tiam made her Okaros case, she does laugh it off but it is only a couple of posts later that she launches into her case on Okaros, who was already picking up a little attention by this point, Anthras having already voted him. Now assuming that Tiam is a symp to Anthras she has already joke voted him, question GL on whether he meant to make a vote when he was demonstrating how bolding worked and then made a case based on Athras' vote on Okaros and followed him early on that train.

This seems quite a bit all in all, then there is this exchange:

Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

checking in! and I see the dragon secks has beena bit of a fizzer. is it srs time already?

wow i was just thinking about you i was going to vote you randomly out of the ones alkend just listed but then i had a think about it and decided to give you another 12 hours or so

wow what kind of signaling is this?

that it's the stupidest signalling case I've ever seen. might as well accuse you of signalling with your 'pardner'comment!

I can make a stupider one for you, don't test me

do it then. all you will show is that you can pull cases out your butt.if it's a stupid case you won't convince anyone I'm scum, you will just destroy your own credibility

Thyr accuses Tiam of signalling Merrid. It was a curious comment to make, it could of course be a joke, or possibly some fake symping here to draw attention away from the Okaros set up with Athras.

Admittedly this would mean two possible scum (Anthras, Thyr) and a symp (tiam) all interacting early on and would be quite a bold play. When Kara comes on and makes a case against Thyr and votes for him tiam accuses kara of symping Okaros and says he has not produced enough quotes to support his case.

Tiam before she leaves make another reference to Merrid with the 'no merrid in voting for merrid' joke, saying all her attention is on Okaros/Kara.

[Anthras]

Since ive been away alot seems to have happened.

The lynch on Okaros was expected as to me it was alot of sporadic behaviour and Tiams case on him was damn convincing. To find out he was town was a hefty blow.

with regards to Korbas being PI im pretty sure that this is the case as he did try to save his lover and said near enough outright that he was town and no-one really paid attention.

Anyone got any leads on why Alkend got NK'd as ive had a look and I cant see any reason for this at all, shes not rubbed anyone up the wrong way that I can notice so im inclined to say it was a case of eenie meenie

the person im most worried about is Tiam as she seems to be relentless in her decisions as she with Okaros she focused on him as though she had blinkers on. Which to me is more dangerous than a low poster as it shows a lack of willingness to reasoning.

Will post more later after another read as im looking after my son

This post has been edited by Anthras: 04 March 2012 - 01:04 PM

[Tiamatha]

if i've looked like i've symped anyone then its a fail on my behalf. The job of the ri is to stir up the thread, make cases (even if they're wrong) and put pressure on everyone whilst looking for scum. It looks as though i've unwittingly symped anthras and a good way to test it is through lynching him. A lot of you have been away from the thread and you're letting scum have an easy game. If you think i'm getting in the way of making a clearer decision on who is scum i.ll shut up and vote along with the masses but you,re wrong thinking i'm a symp or a killer. I'd say stupid but i know your not. My best guess for scum is kara but we can look at anthras if you want.

[Tiamatha]

remove vote

I like korlat's posts. Just his absence has hindered us a little cause his summation of the game seems spot on. Who's bottom of the list now? They need to step up as well.

[Karatallid]

Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Good, I'm not the only lonely drunkard in this thread then.

I'll vote to ensure a lynch, but I don't see any cases that really suggest anything beyond the usual day 1 stuff. But I guess that's not exactly helpful of me either.

You should be voting Okaros, that scummy douchbag who is cluttering our thread with his very own self. Day 1 is day 1 but what the fuck, not today it seems.

So what are the major noob rules then?

1. Don't vote night.
2. Know when to be defensive.
3. Learn to spam.
4. ????
5. Endgame and profit

I should be? That's an odd way to put it.

All I really saw of Okaros was someone who was having problems with posting. I don' t really see what pretending to be a noob in a noob's game would do for anyone.

Similarly, what good does lynching more experienced player do for town? They're only as likely as anyone else to be scum, and more likely to be able to catch scum just through having practise.

Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

I'm out. I'll

Vote Okaros

just in case I don't get a chance to get on again before day times out. It means he's on L-1, though I don't know that it matters too much
people seem fairly convinced that there's something going on there, which is as good a day one lynch as any.

Tiam, some form of punctuation would be appreciated

No sign of Kesso yet right? Well if he does show, I want to ask him about these quotes. The first quote shows him questioning why we want to lynch Okaros, but without any more comments pertaining to this quote, Kesso just votes Okaros and disappears, leaving Okaros at L-1. So he's part of the voting train, he didn't hammer the suspect, and he looks like he's contributing, especially after calling Tiam's case crap. To me, this seems like suspicious behavior, actually very similar to Thyr's spam of question posts and joking around, and yet not really committing or playing with us; more along side us like a wolf worrying the flock...

[Karatallid]

Karatallid, on 01 March 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

This is what I noted when looking over Tiam's case and post case commentary. So as I said, Tiam has had tunnel vision with regards to Okaros up to this point. I was even surprised when Tiam didn't comment on Thyr's initial sputtering "defense" against my case against him (which, to remind you all, was not answering the accusations followed by a little redirection).

However, Merrid's small exchange with Thyr warranted a commentary and even a pun emphasized with an underlined Merrid.

Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

[...argument between Merrid and Thyr]

do it then. all you will show is that you can pull cases out your butt.if it's a stupid case you won't convince anyone I'm scum, you will just destroy your own credibility

Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

I'm out for a little while, I see no Merrid in the voting for Merrid yet the whole exchange between Kara and Okaros is what has my full attention at the moment.

see what I did there ^

So while we are bringing up connections, why did you go out of your way to comment on Merrid, who actually wasn't receiving that much heat and was linked to you by one of Thyr's many random accusations?

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Vote Karatallid



You know Okaros is innocent so therefore your symping of him or protection of him is understandable but what about Kara's? His defence of Okaros and attack of Thyr.


Hang on a second. JLV said this was a standard M and P why would he include lovers? I'll have to go back and check on this but usually M & P includes killer and symp maybe a finder or guard or healer and that is it.



I'm much confused. You could be Okaros' symp and knowing he is the killer giving him a lifeline.


edit. this is @korabas.

Something about this post bothers me

Okaros, on 01 March 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

If I had to select anyone as PI other than Korabas I would say that Kara as he doens't seem to be as big a fucktard as the rest of you. He actually saw through the fucktard case that Tia put up and was willing to actually discuss the flaws of the case that the rest of you fucktards are clearly ignoring. Alkend at this point seems less scummy and more worthless townie. Thry and GL shouldn't be ignored. They could be either scum or townie. Can't really tell yet. I've let my feelings be known regarding Tia and Antrhas. Merrid As mentioned before I am leaning town not scum.

Top picks for scum

Antrhas,
Tia,
Atrhal
GL
Thry
Kesso,
Barghast,
Korlat
Merrid
Kara
Alkend
Korabas
Okaros

Though 3-5 could be swapped for 6-8 once we learn more about the low posters. The last 5 I feel pretty sure about but I would only be sure of Korabas.

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

Until you prove to me that you are lovers, I think its likely you're killer and symp. If you prove it, it is possible that you are both town, but Tiam has a point in that we can't afford to give you both a free pass for the rest of the game. You could be paired killers or paired symps. If your a townie you blew it by my thinking.

Actually, I don't think that's quite what Tiam said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

Okay say i'm wrong about you and you are town. Say Korabas isn't lying and him and Okaros are town lovers.



That leaves 9 players left (just looked again at the OP there are 13 players playing).


Alkend, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Thyrllan, Tiamatha



I am willing to give Okaros and Korabas a pass for a few days but if then if they are still alive i will be very doubtful of the reveal.



No one else has caught my attention, so i'll have to have a read through of current cases and see if anyone stands out. Korlat has not posted yet. Maybe she will be Modkilled. So i'll leave her be for now.

I was the one who said we would have to give them a pass for the rest of the game, and I do think that is the case if we don't lynch one of them today. But looking at Tiam's post actually makes me a little suspicious of him - why would you doubt the reveal if they stay alive? The power of their role is totally and completely lost, and I hate to bring up potential scum strategies (for obvious reasons), but the ENTIRE PROBLEM of giving them a pass is that we cannot do what Tiam says and go back and revisit the reveal just because they survive a few days. This is exactly something a killer would do (or say?) - leave the lovers alive to sow this type of confusion and bring us back to bullshit day 1 reveals when we should be looking at endgame at that point. This is the noob game so I'm laying it out there even though I normally wouldn't say all of this but if we lynch Okaros or Korabas we prevent ourselves from falling into the trap Tiam seems to be laying for us.

You're right, I misquoted

Edited to add:
Fucking enter key...

I was at work and didn't want to take the time to do another fucking reread. I feel like we have no choice at this point. Okaros is putting up a hell of a defense, but I would hope that scum would try to make me doubt them. I don't feel good about letting them both go since I think something is up here. This whole case was started by Tiam which sounded good at the beginning but is feeling less and less right.

Ok, so what I'm pointing out here once again points to Tiam. Several of us have noticed odd phrasing, subtle hints that something about Tiam is not right. Now as I understand it, if he's scum, we believe he's got to be a symp. There is some solid indications that Tiam is playing like symp: making cases that are not related to his "masters," potential signalling by addressing someone directly (like Merrid), and being merciful towards the end of the lynch that he started (by saying "wait people, now let's look over this again..." which removes some of the responsibility of the lynch from his shoulders by implying he had his doubts).

So I agree that we need to decide between Merrid and Anthras. Personally, I see a stronger link with Merrid (being directly addressed, and even defended, by Tiam). I am still reading through, but I was sorting through the key points of day 1: reveal, Okaros' defense, and lynch.

[Karatallid]

Ok, I need a break. Hopefully be back a few hours later, but not promising anything. And one other point, I know the red highlighted quotes talk mostly about "gut" instincts. That is why I emphasize that the overall picture, when you put it together is very symp-like, and I would like to test this theory by lynching one of his "masters."

[Karatallid]

Tiamatha, on 04 March 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

if i've looked like i've symped anyone then its a fail on my behalf. The job of the ri is to stir up the thread, make cases (even if they're wrong) and put pressure on everyone whilst looking for scum. It looks as though i've unwittingly symped anthras and a good way to test it is through lynching him. A lot of you have been away from the thread and you're letting scum have an easy game. If you think i'm getting in the way of making a clearer decision on who is scum i.ll shut up and vote along with the masses but you,re wrong thinking i'm a symp or a killer. I'd say stupid but i know your not. My best guess for scum is kara but we can look at anthras if you want.

Sorry, addenum to above post: you mention anthras, what about Merrid? Why is both he and Thyr not considered in your rebuttal? Ok, now all stop, must...let....go ... of ...labtop.

[Tiamatha]

lets lynch merrid anthras and thyr then. Once they come out as town then we can go for you. Your best bet if i am a symp is to lynch me.
You twist the words pretty well. I mentioned i was going to vote merrid and he come on and someone shouted out that it was signalling. Please. Throw me another one.