[Galayn Lord]

Korabas, on 02 March 2012 - 12:01 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 11:51 PM, said:

Merrid, on 01 March 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

Korabas, you can express your anger all you like, but A ) it is not going to change anything, and B ) you left us very little choice. Your reveal gave us nothing to go on except "believe me 'cause I said so".

So now we "need to get down to business". What ideas do you have? Still thinking Thyr is worth looking at, or do you have a different target?

I personally am suspicious of Galayn Lord. The suggestion to change the vote at the last minute was stupid, as whoever we chose would have no time to defend themselves, and even if they could there would be no time to change again. A speed vote sucks for that exact reason. Also, I think it is possible that he could be scum trying to appear inno by siding with the inno. These are just preliminary thoughts, I would be interested to see what other people think.

Also, Tiam, at least a full stop occasionally? Please?

Just to clarify, I never suggested voting for anyone else (well, almost). I voted for Okaros, removed to make sure we had time to discuss things as much as possible, and I also wanted to see who HE wanted to lynch. Alkend suggested a speed lynch as an option at one point. But no one ever seriously entertained it except Okaros, of course, since he was L-1. The only other person I was willing to lynch was Korabas, for the various reasons I laid out in the past few pages - mainly that he was the other lover pair and he revealed and disappeared. I can't imagine twelve agreeing to a reveal like that just to save himself on day 1, either, so that is really weird to me. Also it's weird that Korabas revealed and not Okaros....

Okaros wasnt on

Ok. Apparently you didn't have time to be on either because you disappeared for the entire rest of the day. I'm just wondering what the point of revealing was and why in God's name you would do it on day 1.

[Karatallid]

Whelp, I can't say I'm that surprised. I have yet to see ballsy scum in a game, esp. on day 1. But it sucks to be down two...

So Korabas, I feel like you are trustworthy for aforementioned reasons (I will quote if people need me too, but really, just go back a page or two, it's not like the Veteran's game). With that in mind I wanted to talk about your primary suspect, Anthras. Do you have more behind your case other than symp-suspicions? I ask because being the only PI at the moment, I value your input and want to see if we can get you past your rage and point out some salient details. So buck up.

Ok, so this was my concern with the idea that Tiam was symping Anthras: Note that the posts are 15 minutes apart. In my experience, the time it takes to build such an extensive case is much longer than 15 minutes. The reason I give GL's vote as the starting point is that at the time of the case, there was only one vote, GL's, on Anthras. Moreover, of the two prior votes removed from Anthras, Tiam was one of the voters.

Galayn Lord, on 29 February 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

Does anyone know how to make writing bold on a mobile device? Most of my posts will be done this way sadly.

Yes, you need to use square brackets around the letter "b", with a closing slash, like so :

[ b ] Vote Anthras [/ b ]

becomes

Vote Anthras

When you remove the spaces near the brackets. Very, very simple and yet no one ever seems to learn... Didn't anyone else post on message boards when that was the ONLY way to make bold font?

Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

Okay Merrid and Thyrllan I didn't make my point because I didn't know who was doing it but check this out. I have just read through the thread. My main point will be in my second post but now maybe i'll analyse each of his posts


[... lots more quotes, removed for your sake ...]

So while you are a PI, we need a little more from you if you want to remedy the loss of our lover-pair advantage.

[Karatallid]

On a lighter note, I can't wait to see Vengence's response to be referred to in our game. He's already getting flak from the other vets.

And, we lost only two town while they lost three. Makes me wonder who's game will end faster.

[Korabas]

Yeah, I think I can be constructive now, just give me 15-30 mins to gather up the quotes, etc

[Merrid]

Karatallid, on 02 March 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

On a lighter note, I can't wait to see Vengence's response to be referred to in our game. He's already getting flak from the other vets.

And, we lost only two town while they lost three. Makes me wonder who's game will end faster.

Especially since their day one case was "let's lynch the lowest poster"

[Merrid]

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

Merrid, on 01 March 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

im once again here the post count between our thread and theirs is massive but they have more players and are more familiar with each other they get to spam the s**t out of thread it'd be good to see who lynches scum first

Also, have you read the rubbish they are spouting?!?

i have glanced over it okaros seems to be desperate and spouting anything to save himself rather than something constructive if he is town then he should realise that even if he is ri he should stay to the truth and be as honest as possible by pretending to be one thing then showing he is something else and flinging accusations left right and centre he is creating a lot of diversion for town the case for him is that town should be as open as possible and not hide behind things but also because of kara coming on and defending him if okaros is innocent then kara is scum that is how it looks how can kara be so sure to defend okaros

Also, it was this post that propted my plea for Tiam's punctuation. It's making my eyes bleed.

[Galayn Lord]

Merrid, on 02 March 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

Merrid, on 01 March 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

im once again here the post count between our thread and theirs is massive but they have more players and are more familiar with each other they get to spam the s**t out of thread it'd be good to see who lynches scum first

Also, have you read the rubbish they are spouting?!?

i have glanced over it okaros seems to be desperate and spouting anything to save himself rather than something constructive if he is town then he should realise that even if he is ri he should stay to the truth and be as honest as possible by pretending to be one thing then showing he is something else and flinging accusations left right and centre he is creating a lot of diversion for town the case for him is that town should be as open as possible and not hide behind things but also because of kara coming on and defending him if okaros is innocent then kara is scum that is how it looks how can kara be so sure to defend okaros

Also, it was this post that propted my plea for Tiam's punctuation. It's making my eyes bleed.

Ok, fair enough. I just wasn't sure what you were referring to. That post is pretty brutal, actually.

[Korabas]

OK: I have a few candidates for scum in my mind:
1. Anthras for a few reasons:

First, he voted pretty much out of the blue for Okaros, which seems to me either like a symp who knows his killer, or someone jumping onto a lynch train in the hope that he will get lucky and randomly hit scum, neither of which is good in any type of Mafia game except maybe mercs.

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Okaros, on 29 February 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 February 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

So are we waiting for GH to show up and hit us with a RP onslaught?
Wonder what it'll be this time...

Okaros, on 29 February 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

How the Frack do you use multiquote!!! I can't get it to do anything.

Maybe he's roleplaying as being a noob... *eyes Okaros suspiciously"

Barghast, on 29 February 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

Dear Hood! I'm gone for a few minutes and suddenly there's three pages! Will start posting more later on, am busy at the mo'.

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

click the multiquote tab on the posts you want to include, then hit "Add Reply"

Fuck it is that easy?! I feel like an idiot.

Dont feel like an idiot were in the newb game claim 'plausable newbility' its what ill be doing when I make an are of myself

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

Hmmm I sense a pattern. Or it may be Okaros just trying to throw people off his scent. Hence

vot Okaros

Second, he has been quite a high poster at least in day one, but all of his posts were either dragonsecks or spam, excepting the one vote on Okaros, which he did not explain until after he was asked, and even then he had almost nothing to go on (not even enough for a day 1 case normally, had no one else found other points to focus on.)

Though I'd rather not push a case on someone who has said he will not be around for a while, he's my biggest scum candidate so far.

2. Thyrllan, for my reasons stated pages ago.

3. Lastly, and this is not a case in any sense of the word, it is just me thinking out loud, Barghast seems to me like a townie playing scummy, because he pinged my scum radar with his posts, but my gut says he's town. I just want to make this clear, this is not official, it is just me stating my thoughts (for this section of my posts.)

[Korabas]

And I forgot Tiam for the odd obssesion with Okaros that was far beyond that of anyone else, and just a gut feeling warning me about Tiam

[Karatallid]

Yeah, I was thinking about it and really what stands out about those three (Anthras, Thyr, and Tiam) in addition to Merrid I might add, is the overreactions.The first is Anthras. While he doesn't scream or yell, he does get huffy about voting based on past games and voting for those not yet posted. This is really odd considering the vote was a joke, but Anthras really doesn't seem to really comment on his outburst later, despite it being the foundation of suspicions against him. I would hear more explanation from him, since as you stated, he really doesn't give much more of substance after that vote except to quickly defend his vote in 1-2 posts later on.

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

Hmmm I sense a pattern. Or it may be Okaros just trying to throw people off his scent. Hence

vot Okaros

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 06:27 PM, said:

Its mainly due to the point that he is automatically assuming that as someone was scum in previous games they will be in this one too. Not only that I think that its below the belt voting for someone who cant yet defend themselves.

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

Thats me off for the night will check in tomorrow but theen I wont be back untill monday as im away all weekend

This is another one I would have your thoughts on Korabas. Merrid has tweaked my scumdar for a while now. The heart of my suspicion is this overreaction to prodding by Thyr. What's curious is that Merrid only had one vote on him and Tiam actually went out of his way to defend Merrid, softening his approach with a clever little pun.

Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

checking in! and I see the dragon secks has beena bit of a fizzer. is it srs time already?

wow i was just thinking about you i was going to vote you randomly out of the ones alkend just listed but then i had a think about it and decided to give you another 12 hours or so

wow what kind of signaling is this?

that it's the stupidest signalling case I've ever seen. might as well accuse you of signalling with your 'pardner'comment!

I can make a stupider one for you, don't test me

do it then. all you will show is that you can pull cases out your butt.if it's a stupid case you won't convince anyone I'm scum, you will just destroy your own credibility

Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

Ugh, ok, maybe I overreacted a little. I got lynched for the dumbest reasons last time I played. However, there was nothing to indicate that your second comment was sarcastic, and in a game filled with newbies I'm not sure what to expect and how much to take seriously.

On to the Okaros case. I'm wondering if Okaros actually read the case that Tiam made on him. The point of Tiam's case, if I'm reading it rght, is that Okaros stands out because in several posts he emphasises his noobishness, but then also seems to have a fair amount of knowledge about game play and people's styles. And Tiam clearly MUST remember Okaros' vote, as it's quoted in her case.

Okaros' original reply, the one quoted by Alkend, is also pinging my scum radar. It mentions Tiam's case but makes no reply to it, and accuses Tiam of being a symp. So from what I can see, Okaros' main defence is that people targeting him must be scum, because they are targeting him to deflect away from other people. I don't buy this.

Vote Okaros

And of course, Tiam naturally follows on this review of overreactions. Tiam's obsession (as you put it Korabas) with lynching Okaros bordered on crazy imho. I understand defending one's case, plugging holes people poke in it, but Okaros, in addition to fighting for his case, seems to ignore most of the other activity around him (which is why it was strange he brought up Merrid).

Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Why does faking being a newbie make one vote worthy? We have others who are going for a newb appearance (like Anthras with asking how to bold) and one person who is announcing himself as a Vet (GL).

Nah, I think a person trying to blend in looks more like Thyr, lots of posting, voting once and promptly removing his vote, helpfully responding when ever he can (conversing about multiquoting, and the all-telling asking a lot of questions), or and throwing out suspicions left and right like candy without laying down a case or long standing vote.

I mean, who do you think we should vote for Thyr?

Vote Thyr

Fair enough, rather than see the reaction of Okaros and his defense you post his defense instead, this looks like symping and moving onto someone else. Thyr could be scum, so could merrid, yourself, anthras for that matter to me your all scum until proven otherwise. What makes you so sure Okaros isn't? I can see most of us wanting to blend in, post a lot and make it hard for scum to lie low it is early in day one, that sort of case or vote would be more important or more strong if we were a few days in.

The people you mentioned are playing a certain way but they ahven't slipped up whereas Okaros has, his posts have pinged my radar and hence my case and vote. You my friend haven't even made a case, nor have you posted any of Thyr's posts and it DOES look like you are trying to deflect from Okaros

And finally Thyrllan. Again, we have a situation where there are few votes on the suspect, and yet he acts as though the whole thread is coming down on him. He attempts a couple of defenses and gets huffy when they don't satisfy the public. But really, other than this, I would refer you back to my comments on Thyr (conveniently located in the quote for Tiam).

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Why does faking being a newbie make one vote worthy? We have others who are going for a newb appearance (like Anthras with asking how to bold) and one person who is announcing himself as a Vet (GL).

Nah, I think a person trying to blend in looks more like Thyr, lots of posting, voting once and promptly removing his vote, helpfully responding when ever he can (conversing about multiquoting, and the all-telling asking a lot of questions), or and throwing out suspicions left and right like candy without laying down a case or long standing vote.

I mean, who do you think we should vote for Thyr?

Vote Thyr

You come from nowhere with this? Have you posted before in this game? The vote did its job of getting a response, perfectly legit move. This is a tired case you pull out, man. Would you prefer to dragonsex?


I didn;t even vote for you yet



So far the Tiam/Merrid & Okaros things are on top of the stemaing pile

So I agree with your initial thoughts here Korabas. I would like to point out, though, that as we saw with Okaros, townies are more than capable of sputtering with rage and that criteria alone should lead us to ask why they were so defensive. Of the four above, I think only Merrid has really explained his outburst, but I keep him on my suspicion list because of his interaction with Tiam and his defensiveness around people linking him with Tiam.

[Karatallid]

And one other thought before I retire: where is the content from Korlat and Kessobahn? They still haven't shown up for the game, seeming to be avoiding a modkill and that's about it. I feel like Barghast is ramping up now that is day true, so I hope he will get away from the teasing and joking a little bit and throw in some content.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 24 hours and 12 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Anthras ( Korabas )

Players not voted: Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Merrid, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

I added 5 hours to the timer because of the forum black-out.

[Tiamatha]

Hi I have spent the last hour or so reading through the thread.



First off



Vote Korlat



I want to here more from the people laying low. Korlat has posted twice but has not actually engaged in any of the converasations yet. I'll respond to some posts, explain others and give my thoughts throughout the day. I think Okaros deserved to be lynched. A townie hiding is what he was.



How many games has Twelve played? Yet he stated he didn't know how to multiquote. Adamant that he didn't know yet he turns out to be the vet amongst us. What are we looking for if not oddities in peoples play?


Korabas you mention that it was a bad lynch after your reveal and disappearance. I am sorry but it was a good lynch with the information to hand. He turned out to be town but we weren't sure. Your reveal came at L1, you had no past posts to code in you were lovers and if we had left you yesterday then you'll create wifom today and throughout the game and if you were scum, which was a possibility, then you'd end up winning.



,

[Tiamatha]

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

Does anyone think that we should let today go by without a lynch?

Scummy. ^

[Tiamatha]

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

Okaros, on 01 March 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

We have 7 anons. Just enough votes to swing this train onto someone else.

But not the time. Speed lynching is wrong because people don't have to build a case or agree to one properly. If it swung away from you it had better be for a good reason.

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

Okaros, on 01 March 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

We have 7 anons. Just enough votes to swing this train onto someone else.

But not the time. Speed lynching is wrong because people don't have to build a case or agree to one properly. If it swung away from you it had better be for a good reason.

Weird double post 2 minutes apart.

Just saying.

Sitting outside the doctors in the car on my phone. I typed this up and clicked reply. My phone just kept loading. It wouldn't do anything so I ended up stopping the load and hit reply again. I didn't know it posted twice.

[Tiamatha]

Korlat, on 01 March 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Hello and greetings. I had work this afternoon, and so I were not able to get on here.

How are you all? I've well.

I've well too.


What are your thoughts on the game?

[Tiamatha]

Merrid, on 01 March 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

Korabas, you can express your anger all you like, but A ) it is not going to change anything, and B ) you left us very little choice. Your reveal gave us nothing to go on except "believe me 'cause I said so".

So now we "need to get down to business". What ideas do you have? Still thinking Thyr is worth looking at, or do you have a different target?

I personally am suspicious of Galayn Lord. The suggestion to change the vote at the last minute was stupid, as whoever we chose would have no time to defend themselves, and even if they could there would be no time to change again. A speed vote sucks for that exact reason. Also, I think it is possible that he could be scum trying to appear inno by siding with the inno. These are just preliminary thoughts, I would be interested to see what other people think.

Also, Tiam, at least a full stop occasionally? Please?

Okay. We are going to assume Korabas is PI not CI but PI yes? If when the game is over and Korabas comes out to be the killer i'll aplaud him man of the match because that was a great move. If Okaros was the symp then maybe him too. Yet if Okaros was town and he was giving the scum a free ride to end game then i'll be less than happy.

I am leaning towards Korabas as PI. I am willing to listen to what he has to say but the insults are just grating on my nerves. He didn't create anything for us yesterday did he. His reaction to our lynch is appalling. He obviously hasn't thought it through. As if we are going to let him and Okaros go the whole game without being tested.

Thyr's letting the day go without a lynch idea is scummy. So is the idea from GL of turning the lynch on someone else and speed lynching them. We get no information from this what so ever.


Better? (The grammar)

[Tiamatha]

Karatallid, on 02 March 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

Whelp, I can't say I'm that surprised. I have yet to see ballsy scum in a game, esp. on day 1. But it sucks to be down two...

No, you are right. More likely to play careful like you.

So Korabas, I feel like you are trustworthy for aforementioned reasons (I will quote if people need me too, but really, just go back a page or two, it's not like the Veteran's game). With that in mind I wanted to talk about your primary suspect, Anthras. Do you have more behind your case other than symp-suspicions? I ask because being the only PI at the moment, I value your input and want to see if we can get you past your rage and point out some salient details. So buck up.

Buddying up to the PI member eh? Asking careful questions. Why? What help was Korabas to us yesterday? An awful reveal and little to no content and then a few choice words today.

Ok, so this was my concern with the idea that Tiam was symping Anthras: Note that the posts are 15 minutes apart. In my experience, the time it takes to build such an extensive case is much longer than 15 minutes. The reason I give GL's vote as the starting point is that at the time of the case, there was only one vote, GL's, on Anthras. Moreover, of the two prior votes removed from Anthras, Tiam was one of the voters.

Galayn Lord, on 29 February 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

Does anyone know how to make writing bold on a mobile device? Most of my posts will be done this way sadly.

Yes, you need to use square brackets around the letter "b", with a closing slash, like so :

[ b ] Vote Anthras [/ b ]

becomes

Vote Anthras

When you remove the spaces near the brackets. Very, very simple and yet no one ever seems to learn... Didn't anyone else post on message boards when that was the ONLY way to make bold font?

Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

Okay Merrid and Thyrllan I didn't make my point because I didn't know who was doing it but check this out. I have just read through the thread. My main point will be in my second post but now maybe i'll analyse each of his posts


[... lots more quotes, removed for your sake ...]

So while you are a PI, we need a little more from you if you want to remedy the loss of our lover-pair advantage.

Don't insult me. You think if I was a symp and knew my master I would try and defend him from a joke vote on day one? I am suspicious of Anthras for a different reason to you. Since being called out he has went back into his shell. I could vote Anthras today based on this fact alone.

[Tiamatha]

Korabas, on 02 March 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

And I forgot Tiam for the odd obssesion with Okaros that was far beyond that of anyone else, and just a gut feeling warning me about Tiam

Why would I put myself out there that much if I wasn't RI? Come on.

[Tiamatha]

Korabas, on 02 March 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

OK: I have a few candidates for scum in my mind:
1. Anthras for a few reasons:

First, he voted pretty much out of the blue for Okaros, which seems to me either like a symp who knows his killer, or someone jumping onto a lynch train in the hope that he will get lucky and randomly hit scum, neither of which is good in any type of Mafia game except maybe mercs.

Voting is one of our tools to gain information. Whether it be by lynch or reactions. To not vote hinders town. So voting someone (like i've done with Korlat) is not a reason you can find someone scummy. Unless it is a weird hammer. Deflecting from something else. That sort of thing. So I disagree here.

Second, he has been quite a high poster at least in day one, but all of his posts were either dragonsecks or spam, excepting the one vote on Okaros, which he did not explain until after he was asked, and even then he had almost nothing to go on (not even enough for a day 1 case normally, had no one else found other points to focus on.)

Though I'd rather not push a case on someone who has said he will not be around for a while, he's my biggest scum candidate so far.


Now this I agree with. If he isn't going to be around to help us lynch he is either deadwood or scum. On this basis i'd vote for him.




2. Thyrllan, for my reasons stated pages ago.


3. Lastly, and this is not a case in any sense of the word, it is just me thinking out loud, Barghast seems to me like a townie playing scummy, because he pinged my scum radar with his posts, but my gut says he's town. I just want to make this clear, this is not official, it is just me stating my thoughts (for this section of my posts.)

As a PI be careful on who you finger to be innocent. You knew Okaros was innocent but no one else. To you we are all scum.

I am wary of Thyrllan also. His suggestion day goes without a lynch was scummy. Even if it was just a question.