[Anthras]

Tbh Thyr im not really sure who is scum or inno. We have pretty much all agreed that Korbas is PI. And I know that somethings that you have said can be scummy.

With Kess he seems to vote even if he thinks the case is crap, just look at the Okaros lynch for that one.

My scumdar isnt getting pinged by too many people and your the only one thats made a comment thats came accross as off. But you have defended it at the same time.

Infact im not even sure if you are scum yet so for the time being im going to

remove vote

im going to have another read and then see who is coming across as the most scummy.

[Anthras]

Ive decided to go with my gut now as I think its the right thing to do. Due to Kess joining trains even if he thinks the case isnt right, he hammered Tiams lynch and gets very defensive when probed im going to

vote kessobhan

im pretty much going on instinct here and he is the person thats pinging my scumdar most

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 8 hours and 2 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Kessobahn ( Anthras )
3 Votes for Anthras ( Korlat, Korabas, Karatallid )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Merrid, Thyrllan

[Korabas]

Anthras, on 06 March 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

I can understand why i may look like scum, ive not really been too high a poster of constructive posts anyway, and my only defense of this is that im still really new to the game so im still unsure on what im doing. If i get lynched for that reason alone o wouldnt blame you but all i ask is that i get given the chance to defend myself and come up with some info.

I dont think ill be able to get many quotesthough as they are scattered all over the place but ill try anyway.

Ok right now im only running on infor that ive managed to read over for the last 3 pages and i will list these by name and anyone can comment or add anything that they feel that i may have missed or otherwise correct me if im wrong.

Atrahal - Has like myself been very quiet since day 1 but came out with quite a few posts after the Tiam lynch. So far has not voted to get anyone lynched (or none that have been kept) He did point out that Tiam may be deliberately trying to shift the focus onto me or Merrid which may or may not have been to then take the heat off of us im not sure of. He has also had a little bust up with Kess claiming that he has done nothing but parrot things others have said but not added anything else. My conclucion on this is im not sure if Atrahal is being the dark horse and just lying low waiting for his chance to come out of the woodwork or not but the fact that he hasnt voted on anyone yet shows me that he is very indecisive on what he wants to happen.

Merrid - With Merrid there has been very little that i can recall being said by him, there has been altercations between him and Thyr regarding the claims that Tiam was symping him but ive been unable to find anything solid to decide on whether he is town or scum. Voting wise he he was the 3rd person to vote for Okaros and the 2nd to lay a vote on Tiam. To me Merrid is really the only one that i can say that there is not much to go on decision wise to decide whether he is scum on inno but i dont get a bad feeling from him i just feel like he is playing safe.

Kartallid - On day one after the reveal Kara stated that he would prefer to lynch Korbas than Okaros to test the reveal on the lover pair as he was against the Okaros lynch but he then chose to lynch Okaros to make up the numbers. He has also been egging on the Korlat and Kessobahn escapade where he was questioning why he decided to go for a lynch on Okaros when he didnt believe in the case. Vote wise he was the 5th person to vote Okaros and the 1st to lay the vote on Tiam. With Kara im fairly sure he is inno as he is providing alot of useful posts and asking questions where they need to be asked liek a few of the other players.

Galayn Lord - Again GL is an unusual one as there hasnt been very much from him in post wise that i can remember or that stick in my head but what sticks more than anything was that he laid the hammer (all be it late) to take down Tiam and then commenst on how pathetic the self vote from Tiam was. I note that he didnt make a vote on day 1 but i genuinely cant think of any posts of significance from him. Like merrid im not sure if he is playing it safe but i know that there are a couple of people who have feeling about him so i would be interested on hearing those.

Korbas - was someone that had low post count but again like Kara most of his posts have been very costructive and have had alot of info in them. I know Korbas has a bee in his bonnet about me but im unsure why that is. He did reveal on day 1 that he and Okaros were lovers which could well be true but as i stated in an earlier post could this be a case of he knew Okaros was inno and was trying to guarantee a safe passage for him like Tiam was all for giving him. This is a far fetched theory but correct me if im wrong but crazier things have happenedvote wise he voted for Thyr on day 1 and voted to lynch tiam on day 2. im sure that there was a vote for me in there too but i cant find it. Im stil pretty convinved that korbas is PI as there wouldnt have been any other logical reason why he would reveal the lover pair but as i said anything can happen in mafia.

Kessobahn - Kess is the person that i am most concerned about as he has abeen a fairly low poster flying under most people radars and as i stated earlier he voted for Okaros on day 1 even though he called the case crap. on Day 2 he hammerd the lynch on Tiam also. He has been posting more frequently but as people have pointed out most of his posts havent been constructive. As i think it was Korlat said he hasnt got any decent arguments to go for a lynch and i have noticed that he gets very defensive when confronted or questioned. He has only given us 1 person that he thinks is scum and the is Thyr but again there has been insufficient info to move for a lynch. Kess is probably top of my list of possible scum tbh but im still looking for valid reasons to lynch.

Thyr - many people have commented on thyrs question on moving to goto night without a lynch which as a lot of people have said is a scummy looking move, when questioned about this further by i think it was Atrahal he said that he was intending to hammer the vote for the Okaros lynch and he was looking for people to comment on the post. as we know he was the one that hammerd the Okaros vote in the end. Some aspects of Thyrs comments have appeared scummy whether this is intentional or deliberate he is probably near the top of my list of possible scum but not at the top.

Korlat - ok korlat has made a lot of very constructive posts after being absent for quite a while. He has stated that he would most like to lynch me or thyr as we seem to be pinging his scumdar more than anyone else, this is from what i understand the back and forths betrween me and tima and tiam and thyr (correct me if im wrong please) and also the suspicion that Tiam was symping me and of trying to divert attention away from me, my opinion on this is she wasnt if anything she was trying to pin me or merrid. he did also say that he would like to see me lynched before Tiam was due to the apparant symping but other than that im not sure why else. there has also been comments from Korlat regarding Thyrs question about going to night and he has also said he has a feeling about GL and i would like to hear these comments as im unsure about him. Regarding voting he didnt vote day 1 as i dont think he was able to get online but on day 2 he was the 5th person to vote for Tiam. im not sure what to make of Korlat but i think that he is a well played player that has alot of insight to provide. I dont think that he is scum but it may be a really good play at mimicking inno as i know some experienced players are good at this.

My list of scum from least likely to most is

Kessobahn
Thyr
Atrahal
Galayn Lord
Merrid
Karatallid
Korlat
Korbas

I know ive mostly summarised what has already been said but ive tried to add my own comments too.

I will admit i have been unable to answer many questions directed at me but i have had limited internet capability and via my phone i can only get a couple pages worth but i will answer all questions directed at me if i can.

Do you mean most likely to least? Because the way you said it shows me as suspect one and Korlat as suspect 2, yet you did not voice much suspicion about us.

[Thyrllan]

I think he's putting you in the least likely to be scum category

[Anthras]

Thyrs right its from most to least.

Ill not be on again tonight as its late. Lets see what happens while im asleep

[Thyrllan]

well, I think we have about 4.5 hrs left and I'm going to have to leave in about an hour, and won't return for the day.



I don't get a scum vibe from Anthras. Now, this doesn't much much to anybody but me. I still won't be voting him. We don't need to take any more chances at lynching innos

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 3 hours and 18 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Kessobahn ( Anthras )
3 Votes for Anthras ( Korlat, Korabas, Karatallid )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Merrid, Thyrllan

[Karatallid]

Ok, I didn't expect to come home to this. I'm removing my vote for a sec while I read the sudden outpouring from our lurking suspect.

Remove Vote

[Merrid]

I'm beginning to like Atrahal less and less. He's answered nothing in terms of the cases on him, just given his own thoughts. There is only so much hiding behind being a new player that I will accept, as scum is just as likely to be a very new player as an experienced one. In addition, this flip-flopping on voting seems mega suspicious, making a case and then voting for the second-most likely scum (from your perspective) is not particularly suggestive, providing you back up why you are not voting for the most likely, but voting with no justification, then removing your vote as soon as you are called on it is strange. Also, he says he couldn't vote for Tiam because his internet was crashing, but he managed one post defending himself and casting suspicion on Tiam, then left with the leading thought that he will investigate Tiam further. In one way, this could just be real life issues, in another it leads further into looking into Tiam, without committing himself.

Also, Kesso. Saying there is nothing that stands out to you is a cop out. There has been plenty to comment on in this game. Even just your opinion on the cases provided would be useful, but you refuse even that. You refuse to acknowledge Karatallid's comments on your play around the lynch of Okaros until they are phrased as questions, which is a cop out. And then, you state that the people you find most scummy are Korlat, Karatallid and me, i.e. the people who are pressuring you. Cop out. I think you are trying to look like you are contributing, but when you are called on it you go into defensive mode, refusing to answer questions and attacking the ones who are questioning.

I am prepared to give Atrahal one day's grace, to see if he can come up with a better defence than "I'm just a newb". I'm not prepared to do the same with Kesso, who has given no other defence than "because I feel like it".

Vote Kessobahn.

At the moment, I feel like this is town's best bet.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 3 hours and 6 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Kessobahn ( Anthras, Merrid )
2 Votes for Anthras ( Korlat, Korabas )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Thyrllan

[Merrid]

Path-Shaper, on 06 March 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

It is Day 3. 3 hours and 6 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Kessobahn ( Anthras, Merrid )
2 Votes for Anthras ( Korlat, Korabas )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Thyrllan

[Karatallid]

I really don't like this at all. We have two scummy players and an equal vote split. I really would like to hear more from Korlat and Korabas on this change in situation since I think they make good points and I trust Korabas, even if he is still Mr. Grumpy Pants.

Speaking in strictly a utilitarian fashion, the lynch is obvious: get rid of the stubborn non-contributor and pressure the other suspect the next day and see if he has fresh insights we've thus far missed.

Speaking in more of a best case-made sense: I still feel like Anthras' story leaks like a ripped sieve (I understand internet problems, but when you did post, they were not very helpful, almost mockingly so). I don't understand how he suddenly climbs from out of his hole and suddenly can speak sense and ideas.

And Kesso, he almost seems too belligerent and difficult. Not that this is new for him, but he is speaking up more all the sudden and I wonder what changed on Day three to have these two clowns open up.

As I said, I really, really don't like this. Sorry for the stream of consciousness; figured at this point it may be helpful, but I'm going to try to review a bit more while I wait for the other two K's.

[Merrid]

Mkay, fair enough.

I'm a little worried that we don't have a lot of time left though. I'm prepared to change my vote if we need the lynch, but I would prefer a Kesso lynch.

[Karatallid]

You know, looking back through today, I'm disappointed. I haven't seen GL at all, Kesso was a bastard and then left without really contributing after his little hissy-fit. And were is everyone? Have people given up? Jeeze people.

Well, you know, if no one is going to post, I will give the benefit of the doubt and say that they can't make it (I believe Korlat said as much). But I'm not going to lose a lynch because of a lack of participation, and frankly, I want to give Anthras one last chance (probably a big mistake, but as much as I hate to say it, lesser of two evils).

Vote Kesso

I'll be around if the others wish to grace us with their presence.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 2 hours and 26 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Kessobahn ( Anthras, Merrid, Karatallid )
2 Votes for Anthras ( Korlat, Korabas )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Thyrllan

[Thyrllan]

time for me to fly



My thoughts -
We're doing poorly. Low participation is a plague today, don't know why, maybe everybody is too busy. I think scum is relaxing and watching things slide.

I have less of a read on Kesso than I'd like.

Seems like pressure votes are all that is happening

[Thyrllan]

Merrid, on 06 March 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

I'm beginning to like Atrahal less and less. He's answered nothing in terms of the cases on him, just given his own thoughts. There is only so much hiding behind being a new player that I will accept, as scum is just as likely to be a very new player as an experienced one. In addition, this flip-flopping on voting seems mega suspicious, making a case and then voting for the second-most likely scum (from your perspective) is not particularly suggestive, providing you back up why you are not voting for the most likely, but voting with no justification, then removing your vote as soon as you are called on it is strange. Also, he says he couldn't vote for Tiam because his internet was crashing, but he managed one post defending himself and casting suspicion on Tiam, then left with the leading thought that he will investigate Tiam further. In one way, this could just be real life issues, in another it leads further into looking into Tiam, without committing himself.

Also, Kesso. Saying there is nothing that stands out to you is a cop out. There has been plenty to comment on in this game. Even just your opinion on the cases provided would be useful, but you refuse even that. You refuse to acknowledge Karatallid's comments on your play around the lynch of Okaros until they are phrased as questions, which is a cop out. And then, you state that the people you find most scummy are Korlat, Karatallid and me, i.e. the people who are pressuring you. Cop out. I think you are trying to look like you are contributing, but when you are called on it you go into defensive mode, refusing to answer questions and attacking the ones who are questioning.

I am prepared to give Atrahal one day's grace, to see if he can come up with a better defence than "I'm just a newb". I'm not prepared to do the same with Kesso, who has given no other defence than "because I feel like it".

Vote Kessobahn.

At the moment, I feel like this is town's best bet.

this post is scummy imo. can't say why, just rubs me wrong. It may be because of the underlined. I find similar thoughts in my brain

[Thyrllan]

To help us stir things up a bit, I'm going to state my opinions. I'm no finder, so don't think I'm revealing.



I think that Karatallid is symp #1. He's running the thread a lot of times and I think he's making the smokescreen for his killer to move around. There may be another symp. I would guess Merrid for this, although it would be a bit too obvious. My guess for killer: Korlat

[Thyrllan]

To prove that I believe what I say, I will



Vote Korlat