[Korlat]

Kessobahn, on 06 March 2012 - 01:32 AM, said:

Merrid, on 05 March 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

I would like to hear more from Kesso. Both days he has appeared on thread just before time out, made superficial comments on the cases, laid down a vote following general opinion and then left again. He is not contributing to any of the cases or providing any viable alternatives. Not posting much, and not making waves.

The thought that Tiam got himself lynched to divert attention also occurred to me. If I can find the time I will go back and have a look at what was going on around that time. Although, I don't really remember any decent cases developing at the time.

Korlat, on 05 March 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

Merrid, on 05 March 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

I would like to hear more from Kesso. Both days he has appeared on thread just before time out, made superficial comments on the cases, laid down a vote following general opinion and then left again. He is not contributing to any of the cases or providing any viable alternatives. Not posting much, and not making waves.

The thought that Tiam got himself lynched to divert attention also occurred to me. If I can find the time I will go back and have a look at what was going on around that time. Although, I don't really remember any decent cases developing at the time.

True, kess is one of those players that just keeps slipping my mind, he certainly does seem to turn up primarily around lynch time and doesn't contribute a great deal case wise.

Atrahal, on 05 March 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

Korlat, on 05 March 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

Merrid, on 05 March 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

I would like to hear more from Kesso. Both days he has appeared on thread just before time out, made superficial comments on the cases, laid down a vote following general opinion and then left again. He is not contributing to any of the cases or providing any viable alternatives. Not posting much, and not making waves.

The thought that Tiam got himself lynched to divert attention also occurred to me. If I can find the time I will go back and have a look at what was going on around that time. Although, I don't really remember any decent cases developing at the time.

True, kess is one of those players that just keeps slipping my mind, he certainly does seem to turn up primarily around lynch time and doesn't contribute a great deal case wise.

He seems to turn up just after a lynch takes place. Of course, I do too, but that's because lynch always happens when I'm out.

Kesso, I would like to hear some content from you. Opinions. Thoughts. No bland repititions!

Edit: I just realized how inaccurate and redundant this statement is. Left it as is so I could apologize for the hypocrisy. I meant to say Kesso appears right around lynch time and jumps on the train.

Really? We've had two lynches and I've been there for one of them. I put down a vote with 7 hours or something to go for the first lynch because I knew it was highly unlikely I'd be around at lynch time.

Don't push me for content, I'm not prepared to make shit up on the spot to entertain you. If I notice stuff, I'll say it, but making up crap which I know is crap is not helpful for town. I'll give you content when I've got it.

All I have at the moment is meta: Tattersail flips out sometimes. He often has really good games, but when he's under pressure early game he does tend to freak out sometimes for some reason. So I don't know that I'd feel entirely comfortable suggesting he's a symp just because he's been flailing around the thread at lot.

No one is saying you need to make up stuff but contributing your thoughts is helpful and through doing so, sometimes connections can be made.

[Kessobahn]

Condescending, much?

I know that. I do what I can, when I can.

[Korlat]

Kessobahn, on 06 March 2012 - 02:29 AM, said:

Condescending, much?

I know that. I do what I can, when I can.

Very much and also hilarious considering.

Anyway the original comment about making stuff up was rather condescending too, generally people are trying to get their ideas/cases out there and not just saying shit for the sake of it, or I should say generally town aren't saying shit for the sake of it.

[Kessobahn]

Korlat, on 06 March 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 06 March 2012 - 02:29 AM, said:

Condescending, much?

I know that. I do what I can, when I can.

Very much and also hilarious considering.

Anyway the original comment about making stuff up was rather condescending too, generally people are trying to get their ideas/cases out there and not just saying shit for the sake of it, or I should say generally town aren't saying shit for the sake of it.

I didn't say anyone else was making things up. I said I wasn't prepared to just because people wanted content off me. But I can see how you might take that way. And it wasn't intended so.

[Korlat]

Kessobahn, on 06 March 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:

Korlat, on 06 March 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 06 March 2012 - 02:29 AM, said:

Condescending, much?

I know that. I do what I can, when I can.

Very much and also hilarious considering.

Anyway the original comment about making stuff up was rather condescending too, generally people are trying to get their ideas/cases out there and not just saying shit for the sake of it, or I should say generally town aren't saying shit for the sake of it.

I didn't say anyone else was making things up. I said I wasn't prepared to just because people wanted content off me. But I can see how you might take that way. And it wasn't intended so.

Okay cool I get where you are coming from then.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 20 hours and 37 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Thyrllan

[Karatallid]

Karatallid, on 04 March 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Good, I'm not the only lonely drunkard in this thread then.

I'll vote to ensure a lynch, but I don't see any cases that really suggest anything beyond the usual day 1 stuff. But I guess that's not exactly helpful of me either.

You should be voting Okaros, that scummy douchbag who is cluttering our thread with his very own self. Day 1 is day 1 but what the fuck, not today it seems.

So what are the major noob rules then?

1. Don't vote night.
2. Know when to be defensive.
3. Learn to spam.
4. ????
5. Endgame and profit

I should be? That's an odd way to put it.

All I really saw of Okaros was someone who was having problems with posting. I don' t really see what pretending to be a noob in a noob's game would do for anyone.

Similarly, what good does lynching more experienced player do for town? They're only as likely as anyone else to be scum, and more likely to be able to catch scum just through having practise.

Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

I'm out. I'll

Vote Okaros

just in case I don't get a chance to get on again before day times out. It means he's on L-1, though I don't know that it matters too much
people seem fairly convinced that there's something going on there, which is as good a day one lynch as any.

Tiam, some form of punctuation would be appreciated

No sign of Kesso yet right? Well if he does show, I want to ask him about these quotes. The first quote shows him questioning why we want to lynch Okaros, but without any more comments pertaining to this quote, Kesso just votes Okaros and disappears, leaving Okaros at L-1. So he's part of the voting train, he didn't hammer the suspect, and he looks like he's contributing, especially after calling Tiam's case crap. To me, this seems like suspicious behavior, actually very similar to Thyr's spam of question posts and joking around, and yet not really committing or playing with us; more along side us like a wolf worrying the flock...

Kessobahn, on 05 March 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

Right, so we had a reveal just after I went to bed, typically after I'd been hanging around for ages with no one to talk to. Okaros still got lynched, which was not terribly surprising because claims need to be tested, though I would have been tempted to lynch Korabas instead (Which would have saved us the ridiculous bitching afterwards... You realise that playing aggressive play is not the only way to play Mafia, right? And that it only works if you actually know how to play?) I don't think I buy that Kora isn't inno so that's something I guess (I think someone suggested that somewhere?). Sulking inno is still inno.

Of Anthras, Thyr and Tiam, I'd be tempted to vote Tiam because he's annoying as all hell and talks a lot but doesn't really seem to say much that is useful. Some of the statements are very odd, like not caring who gets lynched, and the 'woe is me, I may as well be lynched' thing is pinging quite a bit as well. Also the comment wanting to look into Kara for being smart reasonable and having good grammar is rather strange. That said, I have a horrible sinking feeling he's inno and just annoying. I hate players like that, my irritation with them makes it hard to think clearly about them.

Thyr's case was looking a bit average, but I definitely don't like him asking about voting night.

Anthras case looks meh to me.


I would like to hear more from Korlat and Barghast, since they have less posts than me, and this is the first time I've been able to play since Friday.

Korlat, why the heck are you stopping there with Kesso?

Kesso, I have questions myself, the very top quote being something I asked all the way back during early day 2. Never heard a response and I'm still just as curious now as then.

As for your post of high content (one of the rare ones I found, despite your posting being "above" several other low posters), see the second quote by the way (condescension intentional), I am left unimpressed (meh as you would put it).

And here is why: You have basically reiterated major points made throughout the game (Barghast played too little to get a good read on why he was killed, we should have killed Korbas but I popped on at L-2 and voted for Okaros anyways, Thyr's question about not lynching for day 1 was scummy, etc). Please go on, tell me something else I've already heard from at least three other people. The problem with laying out accusations and parroting what others say is you have no thoughts put behind your suspicions.

You don't answer questions, you say you'll play if you want to and the rest be damned, you ask why everyone thinks mafia can only be played aggressively and yet your responses to prodding don't seem very laid back.

That's what I want from you kesso. Take posts that stand out and comment on them. Why is this scummy, why is this strange, why do you disagree? There are so many suspects flying around, I need more of the day to sort things out, but really, if you are going to clam up, I'll have to assume you are a killer using the "I don't wanna" defense and hiding in plain sight (successful for the first two days).

And with that I depart. Shitty day was shitty and I need sleep.

[Kessobahn]

Karatallid, on 06 March 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 04 March 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Good, I'm not the only lonely drunkard in this thread then.

I'll vote to ensure a lynch, but I don't see any cases that really suggest anything beyond the usual day 1 stuff. But I guess that's not exactly helpful of me either.

You should be voting Okaros, that scummy douchbag who is cluttering our thread with his very own self. Day 1 is day 1 but what the fuck, not today it seems.

So what are the major noob rules then?

1. Don't vote night.
2. Know when to be defensive.
3. Learn to spam.
4. ????
5. Endgame and profit

I should be? That's an odd way to put it.

All I really saw of Okaros was someone who was having problems with posting. I don' t really see what pretending to be a noob in a noob's game would do for anyone.

Similarly, what good does lynching more experienced player do for town? They're only as likely as anyone else to be scum, and more likely to be able to catch scum just through having practise.

Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

I'm out. I'll

Vote Okaros

just in case I don't get a chance to get on again before day times out. It means he's on L-1, though I don't know that it matters too much
people seem fairly convinced that there's something going on there, which is as good a day one lynch as any.

Tiam, some form of punctuation would be appreciated

No sign of Kesso yet right? Well if he does show, I want to ask him about these quotes. The first quote shows him questioning why we want to lynch Okaros, but without any more comments pertaining to this quote, Kesso just votes Okaros and disappears, leaving Okaros at L-1. So he's part of the voting train, he didn't hammer the suspect, and he looks like he's contributing, especially after calling Tiam's case crap. To me, this seems like suspicious behavior, actually very similar to Thyr's spam of question posts and joking around, and yet not really committing or playing with us; more along side us like a wolf worrying the flock...

Kessobahn, on 05 March 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

Right, so we had a reveal just after I went to bed, typically after I'd been hanging around for ages with no one to talk to. Okaros still got lynched, which was not terribly surprising because claims need to be tested, though I would have been tempted to lynch Korabas instead (Which would have saved us the ridiculous bitching afterwards... You realise that playing aggressive play is not the only way to play Mafia, right? And that it only works if you actually know how to play?) I don't think I buy that Kora isn't inno so that's something I guess (I think someone suggested that somewhere?). Sulking inno is still inno.

Of Anthras, Thyr and Tiam, I'd be tempted to vote Tiam because he's annoying as all hell and talks a lot but doesn't really seem to say much that is useful. Some of the statements are very odd, like not caring who gets lynched, and the 'woe is me, I may as well be lynched' thing is pinging quite a bit as well. Also the comment wanting to look into Kara for being smart reasonable and having good grammar is rather strange. That said, I have a horrible sinking feeling he's inno and just annoying. I hate players like that, my irritation with them makes it hard to think clearly about them.

Thyr's case was looking a bit average, but I definitely don't like him asking about voting night.

Anthras case looks meh to me.


I would like to hear more from Korlat and Barghast, since they have less posts than me, and this is the first time I've been able to play since Friday.

Korlat, why the heck are you stopping there with Kesso?

Kesso, I have questions myself, the very top quote being something I asked all the way back during early day 2. Never heard a response and I'm still just as curious now as then.

As for your post of high content (one of the rare ones I found, despite your posting being "above" several other low posters), see the second quote by the way (condescension intentional), I am left unimpressed (meh as you would put it).

And here is why: You have basically reiterated major points made throughout the game (Barghast played too little to get a good read on why he was killed, we should have killed Korbas but I popped on at L-2 and voted for Okaros anyways, Thyr's question about not lynching for day 1 was scummy, etc). Please go on, tell me something else I've already heard from at least three other people. The problem with laying out accusations and parroting what others say is you have no thoughts put behind your suspicions.

You don't answer questions, you say you'll play if you want to and the rest be damned, you ask why everyone thinks mafia can only be played aggressively and yet your responses to prodding don't seem very laid back.

That's what I want from you kesso. Take posts that stand out and comment on them. Why is this scummy, why is this strange, why do you disagree? There are so many suspects flying around, I need more of the day to sort things out, but really, if you are going to clam up, I'll have to assume you are a killer using the "I don't wanna" defense and hiding in plain sight (successful for the first two days).

And with that I depart. Shitty day was shitty and I need sleep.

/sigh

I have one high contest post because I my internet was conked out for four or five days. That was me catching up on the thread, not having a lot of time to digest what was going on, and talking myself through it. Also, since when do I have to disagree with something a number of people agree on, just because people have said it already? Because that's what I'm feeling you're expecting here. If something has been said, and I agree with it, I'll say so.

You can want all you like, but if nothing stands out me, then nothing stands out. When it does, I'll say so. I won't, however, go through and make something up just because you've demanded it. It's not helpful to me or to town.

If you want to investigate me as potential scum, do it. Don't make threats about doing so as an incentive to make me do something you want me to do, especially when you Merrid and Korlat are the only people that are really standing out at the moment. I'm not accusing you of thread running at this stage, but when you post stuff like that, that's what it feels like.

And for the record, I don't believe I ever said anything about Barghast playing too little to get a read on before he was killed. It's just a little thing, but don't put words in my mouth.
As for the question about the quotes, if you have a question, I'll answer it. That wasn't a question, that was a 'hey this looks vaguely suspicious to me' which doesn't really mean anything.

[Anthras]

Im back now.

Sorry missed the lynch on Tiam my phone wouldnt let me get on thread. I did inform PS of these issues as I couldd get into messanger.

Ok im only able to get a read on about 2 pages worth until lunch but ive seen the comments from Tiams lynch I will comment more on this once I can read further back.

But there is one thing thats now just clicked with me regarding the comments from Korlat and Atrahal saying about they think Tiam was diverting attention away from me and Merrid.

The comment im refering to is from Korbas (cant quote exactly im afraid) but it was about the reveal on Okaros where she stated thatthey were lovers and no everyone is thinking that she is PI but what if it was for similar reasons that are stated above that this could be to divert any attention away from her for the duration of the game as the only people that would knoww who would cf as town would be a killer.

Im not saying that she isnt PI but its just something that has came to mind upon reading the above comments.

So far though im not sure who is scum or inno but I am noticing some people getting really defensive when questioned.

Ill hav a re-read on lunch and post my thoughts

[Korlat]

Karatallid, on 06 March 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 04 March 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Good, I'm not the only lonely drunkard in this thread then.

I'll vote to ensure a lynch, but I don't see any cases that really suggest anything beyond the usual day 1 stuff. But I guess that's not exactly helpful of me either.

You should be voting Okaros, that scummy douchbag who is cluttering our thread with his very own self. Day 1 is day 1 but what the fuck, not today it seems.

So what are the major noob rules then?

1. Don't vote night.
2. Know when to be defensive.
3. Learn to spam.
4. ????
5. Endgame and profit

I should be? That's an odd way to put it.

All I really saw of Okaros was someone who was having problems with posting. I don' t really see what pretending to be a noob in a noob's game would do for anyone.

Similarly, what good does lynching more experienced player do for town? They're only as likely as anyone else to be scum, and more likely to be able to catch scum just through having practise.

Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

I'm out. I'll

Vote Okaros

just in case I don't get a chance to get on again before day times out. It means he's on L-1, though I don't know that it matters too much
people seem fairly convinced that there's something going on there, which is as good a day one lynch as any.

Tiam, some form of punctuation would be appreciated

No sign of Kesso yet right? Well if he does show, I want to ask him about these quotes. The first quote shows him questioning why we want to lynch Okaros, but without any more comments pertaining to this quote, Kesso just votes Okaros and disappears, leaving Okaros at L-1. So he's part of the voting train, he didn't hammer the suspect, and he looks like he's contributing, especially after calling Tiam's case crap. To me, this seems like suspicious behavior, actually very similar to Thyr's spam of question posts and joking around, and yet not really committing or playing with us; more along side us like a wolf worrying the flock...

Kessobahn, on 05 March 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

Right, so we had a reveal just after I went to bed, typically after I'd been hanging around for ages with no one to talk to. Okaros still got lynched, which was not terribly surprising because claims need to be tested, though I would have been tempted to lynch Korabas instead (Which would have saved us the ridiculous bitching afterwards... You realise that playing aggressive play is not the only way to play Mafia, right? And that it only works if you actually know how to play?) I don't think I buy that Kora isn't inno so that's something I guess (I think someone suggested that somewhere?). Sulking inno is still inno.

Of Anthras, Thyr and Tiam, I'd be tempted to vote Tiam because he's annoying as all hell and talks a lot but doesn't really seem to say much that is useful. Some of the statements are very odd, like not caring who gets lynched, and the 'woe is me, I may as well be lynched' thing is pinging quite a bit as well. Also the comment wanting to look into Kara for being smart reasonable and having good grammar is rather strange. That said, I have a horrible sinking feeling he's inno and just annoying. I hate players like that, my irritation with them makes it hard to think clearly about them.

Thyr's case was looking a bit average, but I definitely don't like him asking about voting night.

Anthras case looks meh to me.


I would like to hear more from Korlat and Barghast, since they have less posts than me, and this is the first time I've been able to play since Friday.

Korlat, why the heck are you stopping there with Kesso?

Kesso, I have questions myself, the very top quote being something I asked all the way back during early day 2. Never heard a response and I'm still just as curious now as then.

As for your post of high content (one of the rare ones I found, despite your posting being "above" several other low posters), see the second quote by the way (condescension intentional), I am left unimpressed (meh as you would put it).

And here is why: You have basically reiterated major points made throughout the game (Barghast played too little to get a good read on why he was killed, we should have killed Korbas but I popped on at L-2 and voted for Okaros anyways, Thyr's question about not lynching for day 1 was scummy, etc). Please go on, tell me something else I've already heard from at least three other people. The problem with laying out accusations and parroting what others say is you have no thoughts put behind your suspicions.

You don't answer questions, you say you'll play if you want to and the rest be damned, you ask why everyone thinks mafia can only be played aggressively and yet your responses to prodding don't seem very laid back.

That's what I want from you kesso. Take posts that stand out and comment on them. Why is this scummy, why is this strange, why do you disagree? There are so many suspects flying around, I need more of the day to sort things out, but really, if you are going to clam up, I'll have to assume you are a killer using the "I don't wanna" defense and hiding in plain sight (successful for the first two days).

And with that I depart. Shitty day was shitty and I need sleep.

I stopped there because they replied to my query with the clarification I asked for, I hadn't made a case against them.

I really want to look more over GL to be honest because I just don't feel fully comfortable with his play so far but at the moment I don't have the time, hopefully I shall get on later, well before a lynch but in case not I am going to put down a vote. As I say if I am around and something else comes to light or there is a better case I am willing to change.

Anthras has slipped away from much attention fro two days now, I still feel that tiam could have been symping him and created a ruckus on thread so the votes didn't get a chance to pile on Anthras. Athras likewise was the first person to vote on the Okaros train, which Tiam then followed along with, making their case. On day 2 despite a ruckus between them Anthras did not in fact join in the tiam lynch train. I think I want to at least put a little pressure on them today, so with that in mind:

Vote Anthras

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 13 hours and 29 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Anthras ( Korlat )

Players not voted: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Merrid, Thyrllan

[Karatallid]

Kessobahn, on 06 March 2012 - 05:25 AM, said:

/sigh

I have one high contest post because I my internet was conked out for four or five days. That was me catching up on the thread, not having a lot of time to digest what was going on, and talking myself through it. Also, since when do I have to disagree with something a number of people agree on, just because people have said it already? Because that's what I'm feeling you're expecting here. If something has been said, and I agree with it, I'll say so. I expect you to contribute content, and that either includes making new cases, adding to established cases or breaking them down. Summaries do none of those.

You can want all you like, but if nothing stands out me, then nothing stands out. When it does, I'll say so. I won't, however, go through and make something up just because you've demanded it. It's not helpful to me or to town. So you think all the posts are solid and unremarkable with nothing suspicious requiring commentary? I don't think that is what you mean, but that is what I read.

If you want to investigate me as potential scum, do it. Don't make threats about doing so as an incentive to make me do something you want me to do, especially when you Merrid and Korlat are the only people that are really standing out at the moment. I'm not accusing you of thread running at this stage, but when you post stuff like that, that's what it feels like. If I was running the thread, I wouldn't be pushing debating and questioning so much. Really, I don't people to accept cases at face value. Personally, I like to see people committed to what they vote for, and when someone throws a vote in at a key point of the game, I have nothing to understand their vote and so I have to assume the worst, since after all this is mafia. That is really the main problem with people who post very little content; there is no way to make a solid case on them, but we can't let them drift by because that is the prototypical hiding spot for scum (even if scum vary their play styles from game to game, this is what I consider as their first strategy for the aforementioned reasons). Now, being day 3, and half way through, I am losing tolerance for low posters. I understand computer and internet problems. But summing up and thinking on thread without much commentary helps no one. That's why I'm pressuring you. If I was threatening, I would vote for you.

And for the record, I don't believe I ever said anything about Barghast playing too little to get a read on before he was killed. It's just a little thing, but don't put words in my mouth. I misunderstood. You said you wanted to hear more from GL and Barghast who had less posts than you.

As for the question about the quotes, if you have a question, I'll answer it. That wasn't a question, that was a 'hey this looks vaguely suspicious to me' which doesn't really mean anything. Here was the question then: why did you place a vote on Okaros when you believed it did not matter because it looked like Okaros was to be lynched regardless of that vote, especially when you said you were not convinced by the case and to the contrary you were thinking keeping an experienced player around was a better idea for town. I stand by my votes. I disagreed greatly with the case on Okaros, but with the reveal, I figured it was advantageous to test the lover claim and hopefully end up with a player we could trust without second guessing their intentions.

So in summary, Kesso, I am not yet ready to vote for you, but I feel that we may have no choice at some point if you continue to refuse to answer jibes or comment on posts as if you see nothing suspicious in them. I don't care if you build or tear down cases. But you are not allowed to coast without receiving additional scrutiny.

[Korabas]

Vote Anthras
This is a continuation of a case from Day 2.

[Karatallid]

Anthras, on 06 March 2012 - 10:40 AM, said:

Im back now.

Sorry missed the lynch on Tiam my phone wouldnt let me get on thread. I did inform PS of these issues as I couldd get into messanger.

Ok im only able to get a read on about 2 pages worth until lunch but ive seen the comments from Tiams lynch I will comment more on this once I can read further back.

But there is one thing thats now just clicked with me regarding the comments from Korlat and Atrahal saying about they think Tiam was diverting attention away from me and Merrid.

The comment im refering to is from Korbas (cant quote exactly im afraid) but it was about the reveal on Okaros where she stated thatthey were lovers and no everyone is thinking that she is PI but what if it was for similar reasons that are stated above that this could be to divert any attention away from her for the duration of the game as the only people that would knoww who would cf as town would be a killer.

Im not saying that she isnt PI but its just something that has came to mind upon reading the above comments.

So far though im not sure who is scum or inno but I am noticing some people getting really defensive when questioned.

Ill hav a re-read on lunch and post my thoughts

Interesting thought, however why would Okaros agree with Korabas about the lover connection. I mean, this has been hashed over in previous days. It depends on how ballsy one thinks scum would be or how much one believes a killer and symp would work together so closely when often only the symp knows the identity of their masters and but the masters don't know who are their symps at the start of the game. I would be more inclined to give it a second look if their was proof that Okaros somehow let Korabas know he was her symp, but when reading over day 1, I haven't so far seen any evidence of that yet.

[Karatallid]

Ok, well another read of Anthras turns up little as well. In a way, like Kesso, Anthras seems to ride on other people's ideas (except, unlike kesso who used summaries, Anthras parrots other people's reasoning as his own).

I would like to say I am far from convinced that Tiam was symping Anthras. Anthras had one vote on him (by GL, who Tiam asked if he was joking). GL said of course not, it was bolded and a very intentional vote. 5 minutes later, Tiam posts his case. That is way to soon afterwards to have a case ready to counter one confirmed vote on your master.

On the other hand, unlike Kesso, Anthras has been sliding by, providing mostly unoriginal comments and not really building new cases or tearing apart other ones (yes there are instances where he questions and adds, but they are few and far between). I am not sure that people have directly queried him about specific posts or behaviors, but that this case is more based on gut than anything (especially for Korabas).

Anthras has been supposed to be the real master of Tiam because of Tiam's very subtle symping and the Merrid connection with Tiam is deemed weak due to it's obviousness. However, both are connected (and throw Thyr in there as well for interactions with Merrid and scummy comments).

Now here is my reasoning: Anthras keeps coming up as a suspect, he's a lower poster in terms of content imao, and there is still suspicion that we nailed a symp with our previous lynch which needs confirmation. We can test this out as far as I'm concerned (I have had good strong input on the previous two days and I'm willing to vote for an reason less solid than those two days) however, I would like someone to explain to me what I am missing (my understanding summarize in the prior sentence). I am hoping to get back during lunch break, but not counting on it, and my return should be before the lynch so I will hopefully have time to read other people's reasoning.

Vote Anthras

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 12 hours and 49 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Thyrllan

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Anthras ( Korlat, Korabas, Karatallid )

Players not voted: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Merrid, Thyrllan

[Anthras]

I can understand why i may look like scum, ive not really been too high a poster of constructive posts anyway, and my only defense of this is that im still really new to the game so im still unsure on what im doing. If i get lynched for that reason alone o wouldnt blame you but all i ask is that i get given the chance to defend myself and come up with some info.

I dont think ill be able to get many quotesthough as they are scattered all over the place but ill try anyway.

Ok right now im only running on infor that ive managed to read over for the last 3 pages and i will list these by name and anyone can comment or add anything that they feel that i may have missed or otherwise correct me if im wrong.

Atrahal - Has like myself been very quiet since day 1 but came out with quite a few posts after the Tiam lynch. So far has not voted to get anyone lynched (or none that have been kept) He did point out that Tiam may be deliberately trying to shift the focus onto me or Merrid which may or may not have been to then take the heat off of us im not sure of. He has also had a little bust up with Kess claiming that he has done nothing but parrot things others have said but not added anything else. My conclucion on this is im not sure if Atrahal is being the dark horse and just lying low waiting for his chance to come out of the woodwork or not but the fact that he hasnt voted on anyone yet shows me that he is very indecisive on what he wants to happen.

Merrid - With Merrid there has been very little that i can recall being said by him, there has been altercations between him and Thyr regarding the claims that Tiam was symping him but ive been unable to find anything solid to decide on whether he is town or scum. Voting wise he he was the 3rd person to vote for Okaros and the 2nd to lay a vote on Tiam. To me Merrid is really the only one that i can say that there is not much to go on decision wise to decide whether he is scum on inno but i dont get a bad feeling from him i just feel like he is playing safe.

Kartallid - On day one after the reveal Kara stated that he would prefer to lynch Korbas than Okaros to test the reveal on the lover pair as he was against the Okaros lynch but he then chose to lynch Okaros to make up the numbers. He has also been egging on the Korlat and Kessobahn escapade where he was questioning why he decided to go for a lynch on Okaros when he didnt believe in the case. Vote wise he was the 5th person to vote Okaros and the 1st to lay the vote on Tiam. With Kara im fairly sure he is inno as he is providing alot of useful posts and asking questions where they need to be asked liek a few of the other players.

Galayn Lord - Again GL is an unusual one as there hasnt been very much from him in post wise that i can remember or that stick in my head but what sticks more than anything was that he laid the hammer (all be it late) to take down Tiam and then commenst on how pathetic the self vote from Tiam was. I note that he didnt make a vote on day 1 but i genuinely cant think of any posts of significance from him. Like merrid im not sure if he is playing it safe but i know that there are a couple of people who have feeling about him so i would be interested on hearing those.

Korbas - was someone that had low post count but again like Kara most of his posts have been very costructive and have had alot of info in them. I know Korbas has a bee in his bonnet about me but im unsure why that is. He did reveal on day 1 that he and Okaros were lovers which could well be true but as i stated in an earlier post could this be a case of he knew Okaros was inno and was trying to guarantee a safe passage for him like Tiam was all for giving him. This is a far fetched theory but correct me if im wrong but crazier things have happenedvote wise he voted for Thyr on day 1 and voted to lynch tiam on day 2. im sure that there was a vote for me in there too but i cant find it. Im stil pretty convinved that korbas is PI as there wouldnt have been any other logical reason why he would reveal the lover pair but as i said anything can happen in mafia.

Kessobahn - Kess is the person that i am most concerned about as he has abeen a fairly low poster flying under most people radars and as i stated earlier he voted for Okaros on day 1 even though he called the case crap. on Day 2 he hammerd the lynch on Tiam also. He has been posting more frequently but as people have pointed out most of his posts havent been constructive. As i think it was Korlat said he hasnt got any decent arguments to go for a lynch and i have noticed that he gets very defensive when confronted or questioned. He has only given us 1 person that he thinks is scum and the is Thyr but again there has been insufficient info to move for a lynch. Kess is probably top of my list of possible scum tbh but im still looking for valid reasons to lynch.

Thyr - many people have commented on thyrs question on moving to goto night without a lynch which as a lot of people have said is a scummy looking move, when questioned about this further by i think it was Atrahal he said that he was intending to hammer the vote for the Okaros lynch and he was looking for people to comment on the post. as we know he was the one that hammerd the Okaros vote in the end. Some aspects of Thyrs comments have appeared scummy whether this is intentional or deliberate he is probably near the top of my list of possible scum but not at the top.

Korlat - ok korlat has made a lot of very constructive posts after being absent for quite a while. He has stated that he would most like to lynch me or thyr as we seem to be pinging his scumdar more than anyone else, this is from what i understand the back and forths betrween me and tima and tiam and thyr (correct me if im wrong please) and also the suspicion that Tiam was symping me and of trying to divert attention away from me, my opinion on this is she wasnt if anything she was trying to pin me or merrid. he did also say that he would like to see me lynched before Tiam was due to the apparant symping but other than that im not sure why else. there has also been comments from Korlat regarding Thyrs question about going to night and he has also said he has a feeling about GL and i would like to hear these comments as im unsure about him. Regarding voting he didnt vote day 1 as i dont think he was able to get online but on day 2 he was the 5th person to vote for Tiam. im not sure what to make of Korlat but i think that he is a well played player that has alot of insight to provide. I dont think that he is scum but it may be a really good play at mimicking inno as i know some experienced players are good at this.

My list of scum from least likely to most is

Kessobahn
Thyr
Atrahal
Galayn Lord
Merrid
Karatallid
Korlat
Korbas

I know ive mostly summarised what has already been said but ive tried to add my own comments too.

I will admit i have been unable to answer many questions directed at me but i have had limited internet capability and via my phone i can only get a couple pages worth but i will answer all questions directed at me if i can.

[Anthras]

for my reasons above as im usure who is or isnt scum im going to

vote Thyr

he isnt top of my list but he is one of the people that has cropped up time and time again and im still unsure of him

[Anthras]

Korlat, on 06 March 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

Anthras has slipped away from much attention fro two days now, I still feel that tiam could have been symping him and created a ruckus on thread so the votes didn't get a chance to pile on Anthras. Athras likewise was the first person to vote on the Okaros train, which Tiam then followed along with, making their case. On day 2 despite a ruckus between them Anthras did not in fact join in the tiam lynch train. I think I want to at least put a little pressure on them today, so with that in mind:

Vote Anthras

Korlat with regards to above

I would have joined the Tiam train believe you me the fact that she was trying to direct attention onto me and merrid warranted it. I did try post but my internet kept crashing and i was unable to contribute other wise my vote would have been close behind Merrids

[Thyrllan]

Anthras, on 06 March 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

for my reasons above as im usure who is or isnt scum im going to

vote Thyr

he isnt top of my list but he is one of the people that has cropped up time and time again and im still unsure of him

So I'm not top of your list, but you voted me anyway? How does that make sense?