[Merrid]

Well we have quite a number of hours before the end of day, so I don't see anyone pushing for a speed lynch this early. That would look highly suspicious.

In terms of your thoughts on the Korlat killing, I wouldn't discount the idea that our killer is trying to frame Thyr to remove suspicion from himself. I don't think this is an action that Thyr himself would take, which clears him from killer suspicion in my mind. His posting has me fairly sure he is a symp, I would very much like to hear more about his case, especially since Korlat was killed at night.

This also begs the question, who is he symping? Logic would say Anthras, since it was Anthras and Kesso who were under pressure and Kesso came up inno. Time to have a look back and see if I can find any more evidence.

[Galayn Lord]

Well, real life kicked my ass today. Tomorrow, I kick mafia's ass. Or something.

[Anthras]

Korabas, on 07 March 2012 - 12:45 AM, said:

Just one thing I noticed, which, though however far fetched you may think it may be, sets my scumdar pinging like nobody's business if only because Korlat was NK'd last night. (this could be a very clever attempt by scum to frame Thyrllan, though as this is the newb game doesnt seem too likely.)

Thyrllan, on 06 March 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

To help us stir things up a bit, I'm going to state my opinions. I'm no finder, so don't think I'm revealing.



I think that Karatallid is symp #1. He's running the thread a lot of times and I think he's making the smokescreen for his killer to move around. There may be another symp. I would guess Merrid for this, although it would be a bit too obvious. My guess for killer: Korlat

Thyrllan, on 06 March 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

To prove that I believe what I say, I will



Vote Korlat

A few hours later Korlat is NK'd...

Also, I really hope we don't have a speed lynch we don't think about because that plays right into the hands of scum

like you Korbas I would like to hear more from Thyr on this theory as the my scumdar is going mental at the NK too.

But as has beeen said this could be a set up to make Thyr look bad and focus the attention his way, or it could be an attemp to divert away from him and make it just look like he is inno and relieve any possible doubts on him.

I guess it just depends on how you think about it.

[Karatallid]

So another damn binary branch point: Thyr. So thus far, I've kept an eye on him, especially since I made a day 1 case on him. Since day 1, he's been darting in and out of the game, making crazy comments (and a 2 line case), maybe being helpful, but more often a distraction. One thing I noted on my read through, skimming each day for his posts, is that Thyr's comments are often not really opinions on the game. Usually he quotes something and asks people what they think (best example is quoting the Day 1 and Day 2 lynch trains and only commenting on the mix-up with "inno" and "town" by PS). Also, a lot of his posts are obvious observations: day 2 went poorly and we are going down a dark road, and okaros the reason everyone is after you is you tried to hide (comment right before Okaros' lynch...). As I've said before, he asks more questions than he answers. But here are some more specific examples:

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 01 March 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Atrahal was NK'd last night. Why would the scum target her? Will do a re-read and see what she was posting and what content it was comprised of.

What aare you looking for?
I doubt you'll come to any solid answers.
First, you have to realize that
Overall this is an exercise in futility
Maybe it will help you, but it can lead people astray too

Seems to be saying that why look for evidence? Most of it won't help you anyways. Evidence searching = main tenet of mafia.

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 01 March 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 01 March 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Atrahal was NK'd last night. Why would the scum target her? Will do a re-read and see what she was posting and what content it was comprised of.

What aare you looking for?
I doubt you'll come to any solid answers.
First, you have to realize that
Overall this is an exercise in futility
Maybe it will help you, but it can lead people astray too

So you are proposing I do nothing? That I don't try to improve our situation?
No. I'm doing something before I have to leave.

No, I applaud your ambition to do something, just be careful - you will distract people (and yourself) with speculations that are based on trying to "be the killer"

So don't post speculations because they may be distracting? I'm actually not sure what Thyr is getting at here...

Thyrllan, on 06 March 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

well, I think we have about 4.5 hrs left and I'm going to have to leave in about an hour, and won't return for the day.


I don't get a scum vibe from Anthras. Now, this doesn't much much to anybody but me. I still won't be voting him. We don't need to take any more chances at lynching innos

Kind of his MO. He said something about posting over the weekend too, but I actually don't think he did in the end. And the last sentence is priceless. What it sounds like is: "Why lynch? We may hit an inno." I don't think that is necessarily what he meant, but ironically, his game play has been anything but directional in deciding on suspects, debating their cases merit, and lynching them.



Basically, I get the impression that Thyr is playing light and loose. He really enjoys sarcastic remarks and getting under player's skin. However, he has a low tolerance for being called out, especially when it comes to the Day 1 "not lynching today?" comment. Flitting, that would describe him well.

Given this behavior, I actually wouldn't be surprised if as a killer he made a bullshit case on Korlat and then lynched him to create some wonderful WIFOM. I mean, remember he was the first to point out that the first two days' NK's were against low posters, almost as if he was making sure people saw the irony.

But if he is behind this, he definitely has created a WIFOM-tastic situation, and whether responsible or not, this will be his playground. If he is the killer, I may actually call him man of the match for being so slippery and distracting.

[Karatallid]

Ok, see you all later today. I'm hoping to see Thyr's response, and other people's thoughts, but I don't want to vote because I'm not sure if Thyr is brilliant scum or a playfully annoying inno.

[Path-Shaper]

Are you guys joking?

It is Day 4. 16 hours and 41 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Merrid, Thyrllan

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Merrid, Thyrllan

G'night

[Path-Shaper]

JLV is here, no fear.

It is Day 4. 15 hours and 25 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Merrid, Thyrllan

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Merrid, Thyrllan

[Thyrllan]

Merrid, on 06 March 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 06 March 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 06 March 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

Merrid, on 06 March 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

I'm beginning to like Atrahal less and less. He's answered nothing in terms of the cases on him, just given his own thoughts. There is only so much hiding behind being a new player that I will accept, as scum is just as likely to be a very new player as an experienced one. In addition, this flip-flopping on voting seems mega suspicious, making a case and then voting for the second-most likely scum (from your perspective) is not particularly suggestive, providing you back up why you are not voting for the most likely, but voting with no justification, then removing your vote as soon as you are called on it is strange. Also, he says he couldn't vote for Tiam because his internet was crashing, but he managed one post defending himself and casting suspicion on Tiam, then left with the leading thought that he will investigate Tiam further. In one way, this could just be real life issues, in another it leads further into looking into Tiam, without committing himself.

Also, Kesso. Saying there is nothing that stands out to you is a cop out. There has been plenty to comment on in this game. Even just your opinion on the cases provided would be useful, but you refuse even that. You refuse to acknowledge Karatallid's comments on your play around the lynch of Okaros until they are phrased as questions, which is a cop out. And then, you state that the people you find most scummy are Korlat, Karatallid and me, i.e. the people who are pressuring you. Cop out. I think you are trying to look like you are contributing, but when you are called on it you go into defensive mode, refusing to answer questions and attacking the ones who are questioning.

I am prepared to give Atrahal one day's grace, to see if he can come up with a better defence than "I'm just a newb". I'm not prepared to do the same with Kesso, who has given no other defence than "because I feel like it".

Vote Kessobahn.

At the moment, I feel like this is town's best bet.

this post is scummy imo. can't say why, just rubs me wrong. It may be because of the underlined. I find similar thoughts in my brain

Maybe this post rubs you wrong because Merrid was using the wrong name. @ Merrid, I think you meant to write Anthras' name, but you wrote mine.
Because as far as I know, I haven't voted at all, and I didn't claim that my internet went out.

Also, I initially was leaning towards voting Anthras because of his annoying voting patterns...and flipping targets when tapped on the shoulder by Thyr. However, I think that Kara's idea makes sense: Lynch the bull-headed, non-cooperative Kesso, pressure Anth tomorrow. This way, we may get a better set of data from Anth (although I did enjoy readinghis list) tomorrow.

Oops, you're right, this was aimed at Anthras.

From what I can tell however, Thyr took exception to my commenting that Kesso finds those of us poking him scummy, because apparently he finds us scummy too, although this is the first we have heard of his suspicions.

Also, Jesus. Posting a new case two hours before time out? And then leaving so no one can question your case? I would say this is the scummiest thing we have seen yet. It reeks of trying to derail the lynch, and it definitely merits examination tomorrow.

It was just odd to see my personal list spelled out that way.

It was not my intent to post a new case necessarily for yesterday, just to get my thoughts out there. I had to leave, no choice - it was my last chance before end of day to post anything. I wasn't trying to derail. Obviously one of those two were doomed.

[Thyrllan]

Korabas, on 07 March 2012 - 12:18 AM, said:

D-Day today? We better be careful who we lynch

That's for sure.

[Thyrllan]

Korabas, on 07 March 2012 - 12:45 AM, said:

Just one thing I noticed, which, though however far fetched you may think it may be, sets my scumdar pinging like nobody's business if only because Korlat was NK'd last night. (this could be a very clever attempt by scum to frame Thyrllan, though as this is the newb game doesnt seem too likely.)

Thyrllan, on 06 March 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

To help us stir things up a bit, I'm going to state my opinions. I'm no finder, so don't think I'm revealing.



I think that Karatallid is symp #1. He's running the thread a lot of times and I think he's making the smokescreen for his killer to move around. There may be another symp. I would guess Merrid for this, although it would be a bit too obvious. My guess for killer: Korlat

Thyrllan, on 06 March 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

To prove that I believe what I say, I will



Vote Korlat

A few hours later Korlat is NK'd...

Also, I really hope we don't have a speed lynch we don't think about because that plays right into the hands of scum

Not sure about underlined - are you saying the killers aren't savvy enough to try to frame me? must disagree

I don't feel framed, if I thought Korlat was anything other than scum, I wouldnt have put the name out.

[Thyrllan]

Merrid, on 07 March 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

Well we have quite a number of hours before the end of day, so I don't see anyone pushing for a speed lynch this early. That would look highly suspicious.

In terms of your thoughts on the Korlat killing, I wouldn't discount the idea that our killer is trying to frame Thyr to remove suspicion from himself. I don't think this is an action that Thyr himself would take, which clears him from killer suspicion in my mind. His posting has me fairly sure he is a symp, I would very much like to hear more about his case, especially since Korlat was killed at night.

This also begs the question, who is he symping? Logic would say Anthras, since it was Anthras and Kesso who were under pressure and Kesso came up inno. Time to have a look back and see if I can find any more evidence.

way too obvious, to come out and say I won't vote for Anthras - I was trying to stay away from lynching who I thought was inno, why would I symp him if that were my intent? It ceates scrutiny for both of us

[Thyrllan]

We're becoming old pals, Kara. If I didn't think you were scum, I think you were town's big asset.

Karatallid, on 07 March 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

So another damn binary branch point: Thyr. So thus far, I've kept an eye on him, especially since I made a day 1 case on him. Since day 1, he's been darting in and out of the game, making crazy comments (and a 2 line case), maybe being helpful, but more often a distraction. One thing I noted on my read through, skimming each day for his posts, is that Thyr's comments are often not really opinions on the game. Usually he quotes something and asks people what they think (best example is quoting the Day 1 and Day 2 lynch trains and only commenting on the mix-up with "inno" and "town" by PS). Also, a lot of his posts are obvious observations: day 2 went poorly and we are going down a dark road, and okaros the reason everyone is after you is you tried to hide (comment right before Okaros' lynch...). As I've said before, he asks more questions than he answers. But here are some more specific examples:

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 01 March 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Atrahal was NK'd last night. Why would the scum target her? Will do a re-read and see what she was posting and what content it was comprised of.

What aare you looking for?
I doubt you'll come to any solid answers.
First, you have to realize that
Overall this is an exercise in futility
Maybe it will help you, but it can lead people astray too

Seems to be saying that why look for evidence? Most of it won't help you anyways. Evidence searching = main tenet of mafia.

Actually I'm saying - Don't create WIFOM

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 01 March 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 01 March 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 01 March 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Atrahal was NK'd last night. Why would the scum target her? Will do a re-read and see what she was posting and what content it was comprised of.

What aare you looking for?
I doubt you'll come to any solid answers.
First, you have to realize that
Overall this is an exercise in futility
Maybe it will help you, but it can lead people astray too

So you are proposing I do nothing? That I don't try to improve our situation?
No. I'm doing something before I have to leave.

No, I applaud your ambition to do something, just be careful - you will distract people (and yourself) with speculations that are based on trying to "be the killer"

So don't post speculations because they may be distracting? I'm actually not sure what Thyr is getting at here...

So scummy, intentionally acting like you dont know what WIFOM is

Thyrllan, on 06 March 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

well, I think we have about 4.5 hrs left and I'm going to have to leave in about an hour, and won't return for the day.


I don't get a scum vibe from Anthras. Now, this doesn't much much to anybody but me. I still won't be voting him. We don't need to take any more chances at lynching innos

Kind of his MO. He said something about posting over the weekend too, but I actually don't think he did in the end. And the last sentence is priceless. What it sounds like is: "Why lynch? We may hit an inno." I don't think that is necessarily what he meant, but ironically, his game play has been anything but directional in deciding on suspects, debating their cases merit, and lynching them.

No it just means that we've wasted enough lynches and depleted town's population - and now we're potentially at D-Day if we haven't managed to get any symps yet

Basically, I get the impression that Thyr is playing light and loose. He really enjoys sarcastic remarks and getting under player's skin. However, he has a low tolerance for being called out, especially when it comes to the Day 1 "not lynching today?" comment. Flitting, that would describe him well.

Given this behavior, I actually wouldn't be surprised if as a killer he made a bullshit case on Korlat and then lynched him to create some wonderful WIFOM. I mean, remember he was the first to point out that the first two days' NK's were against low posters, almost as if he was making sure people saw the irony.

But if he is behind this, he definitely has created a WIFOM-tastic situation, and whether responsible or not, this will be his playground. If he is the killer, I may actually call him man of the match for being so slippery and distracting.

Pattern held true as Korlat was a low poster, btw. I'm not good enough at this game to pluck the strings like you suggest. I'm flailing about in the dark like everybody else that's not scum.
It was not my intention to create WIFOM, I would say that's how the killer has reacted to my words (or an bit of good luck for them if unplanned) I didn;t seek to distract anybody from the task at hand.

[Anthras]

Korabas, on 01 March 2012 - 12:17 AM, said:

OK, been reading up and beyond the okaros and alkend cases, very little has happened besides Dragonsecks, but Thyrllan seems fishy to me for the following reasons:

1. Trying to start a train on Anthras, then changing his mind quickly, as soon as Anthras responds with a reasonable defense that actually did not do defend against the specific points Thyrllan made.

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

click the multiquote tab on the posts you want to include, then hit "Add Reply"

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Already planning your excuses?

Vote Anthras



Because you can never play the noob card even in the newb game

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

Anthras, on 29 February 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

Oh bugger im not doing well am i?

Ah but I didnt claim to be a n00b that would imply that im a complete idiot who trolls over the internet and think that im so 1337 and when I see something I like go OMGWTFBBQ

but I am a newd which would imply that I am infact an educated(ish) individual that enjoys long walks on the beach, home cooked meals and cuddles... Sorry wrong place. I meant that I am educated to a degree and that I am just starting to learn how to be an accomplished mafia player who respects his peers and betters.

Well I think that argument is convincing anyway.

Not really


Remove Vote

anyway

2. This post responding to Merrid which just pinged my scum radar.

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

Good point, Merrid, don't want to harm my credibility

Overreact often?

3. Karatallid's points and the reaction later. I mean honestly Thyr, is it that big of a deal to have a case against oneself? All you need to do is respond coherently and with points that can stop the case in its tracks and voila, you've successfully gotten away from suspicion.

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Why does faking being a newbie make one vote worthy? We have others who are going for a newb appearance (like Anthras with asking how to bold) and one person who is announcing himself as a Vet (GL).

Nah, I think a person trying to blend in looks more like Thyr, lots of posting, voting once and promptly removing his vote, helpfully responding when ever he can (conversing about multiquoting, and the all-telling asking a lot of questions), or and throwing out suspicions left and right like candy without laying down a case or long standing vote.

I mean, who do you think we should vote for Thyr?

Vote Thyr

You come from nowhere with this? Have you posted before in this game? The vote did its job of getting a response, perfectly legit move. This is a tired case you pull out, man. Would you prefer to dragonsex?


I didn;t even vote for you yet



So far the Tiam/Merrid & Okaros things are on top of the stemaing pile

Also, this is Day 1, so all cases don't have much to go on, but in my experience, it is much better to have at least 2 pieces of evidence than to just make a gut case or just lead any player on to a lynch to get to day 2 and see the CF.

Ive been reading over Thyrs past posts and found this one from Korabas that I feel just adds strength to Karas earlier post.

As we can see here he is getting really defensive when Kara called him out earlier with regards to placing the vote on me and Kara calling it bull as he later states there are clearly new players and vets playing.

Thyr then gets his goat up and claims its a legit move which to me its just a bullshit move to make people incriminate themselves there fore diverting away from someone else. In this case that someone would look like Thyr although he does then go onto mention the Tiam/merrid and okaros escapade that was ongoing at the time.

How some of his comments have managed to slip by everyones notice is beyond me.

Im holding my vote for the time being as I would like others thoughts on this.

[Thyrllan]

@Anthras -

1. Your idea of "really defensive" is different from mine. I try to always reply when someone goes to the effort of making a case against me (no matter how wrong or weak, or just plain full of BS)


2. It was a legit move to vote you for setting up an excuse for later. You were creating a persona for yourself that would be allowed to screw up with no repercussions. Also, it was a friendly poke.

Explain about getting people to incriminate themselves, I don't follow - that whole sentence is unclear.

And it seems that nothing I have said has slipped by.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 12 hours and 18 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Merrid, Thyrllan

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Merrid, Thyrllan

[Thyrllan]

I see 2 more people anon - anybody want to comment etc?

[Korabas]

Ive heard from 3 of the 6 remaining players other than me, but GL , Atrahal and merrid have been coasting and id like to hear their thoughts on the last while

[Thyrllan]

scum has not motivation to talk, they can let time pass without doing anything and still progress

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 9 hours and 47 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Merrid, Thyrllan

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Merrid, Thyrllan

[Merrid]

I have spent the last hour or so doing a full re-read. I have a lot to say, so I wont quote herre, but if there is something in particular you want me to quote I can go back and find it.

The first thing I noticed was that Thyr is very non-committal, he'll quote posts and say "something about this feels off to me", "this feels scummy to me", and of course the "does anyone think we should let night go without a lynch?". Even his vote on Korlat is very vague. Although Korlat has been participating a lot in the last few days he quotes nothing that strikes him as suspicious, and doesn't say at all why he is voting for Korlat, apart from gut and unidentified suspicions. This is strange, as the whole game he has emphasised that he doesn't want innocents to be lynched, and will refuse to vote for those he thinks innocent, even though a lynch is better for town in the end than no lynch. Half way through day three he claims he is going to look at lynch trains because that should help us figure out who is "getting innocents lynched", comments on the inconsistency from Path-Shaper and then leaves.

He has also answered weakly to any cases made against him. His defence always consists of bluster, followed by redirections. Karatallid's case on him day one was answered with questions (why would you vote for me? I haven't even voted for you yet. Have you even said anything else in this game?) followed by redirection on to the suspicions building at the time. The accusations Korabas brings against him on day one get the same treatment, as do the questions around his "no lynch" comment. He claims he would have argued against it, is not trying to derail the lynch, etc. etc. (Does this sound familiar? He does the same thing with his Korlat vote), and then says "give the collective some credit" - if you don't think "the collective" would have fallen for it, why even suggest it?

He also seems very decisive about who he thinks is innocent and who he thinks is scum. "I don't get a scum vibe from Anthras", We can hope that Alkend was a symp but don't hold your breath" and his attack on Korlat.

I think Thyr is scummy as fuck BUT all this stirring up the thread, dropping stuff down right before a lynch and being certain on the allegiance of people is far more characteristic of a symp than a killer.

Thyr must be symping Anthras. His attack on Korlat was put at a time when Kesso and Anthras were getting about the same amount of heat. Neither of them have had any serious interaction until today, which is strange as both have had cases on them, but neither have commented on the other's case, except when Thyr stated he didn't get a scummy vibe from Anthras. Now Anthras has picked up that Thyr's vote before last night could be traced back to him and he is frantically distancing himself in the hope that Thyr will be lynched instead of him.

Anthras has definitely been coasting, the only content posts of his before today were summaries of the suspicions on other players. He almost never addresses the suspicions laid against himself. His flip-flopping on votes last night was strange, especially his vote on Thyr, which he removed as soon as he was called on it. This mirrors the voting on day one, where Thyr voted Anthras and then removed it pretty much immediately, even though he said he wasn't convinced by Anthras' argument. I generally think day one signalling cases are BS, but this kind of mirroring is highly suspicious.

In my opinion there is no point in going after the symp. His CF will tell us nothing, and it won't stop the night kills. It's time to aim for the killer.

vote Anthras