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#15661 User is online   Azath Vitr (D'ivers 

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Posted 23 December 2025 - 12:37 PM

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"We need Greenland for national security," Trump told reporters [...] during an announcement that the U.S. would build a "new "Golden Fleet" of "Trump-class" battleships. "You look up and down the coast, you have Russian and Chinese ships all over the place. We need it for national security. We have to have it."

Trump renews calls to take Greenland for US national security - USA Today


The implication is pretty clear: he wants the new battleships... in order to conquer or control Greenland.

And he's taking inspiration from Russia and China...

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President Trump Is Obsessed With Taking Over Greenland [...]

Trump is dead set on taking control of Greenland

https://www.bloomber...ntrol-of-island

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Posted 23 December 2025 - 01:33 PM

Question: If you could design a person or campaign to completely destroy the USA's influence on the world, it's alliances, credibility, economy, social cohesion etc etc etc ... could you actually come up with anything better than Trump? And to do it so breathtakingly quickly.

The guy is obviously either working directly for, or is an agent of influence of Putin. And maybe Xi.

But then again, the MAGAts did turn out to be very willing dupes.

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‘Greenland is our country’: PM hits back after Trump appoints envoy to seize island
Denmark has summoned the US ambassador after Donald Trump appointed a special envoy to “take control” of Greenland, sparking a diplomatic crisis with the NATO ally.

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Posted 23 December 2025 - 02:45 PM

The "Trump class" fleet would apparently not be particularly helpful in conquering Greenland, so the implied focus is more on using the new battleships to control the surrounding region:

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Even though Denmark has exponentially increased their defensive spending as a result of the war in Ukraine, dedicating 2.37% of their GDP to military expenditure and replacing all of their F16 fighter jets with more advanced F35s, it would still be practically impossible for it to militarily stop an American invasion of Greenland on its own. This is such a mismatched relationship that Ulrik Pram Gad from the Danish Institute for International Studies called this hypothetical invasion "the shortest war in the world". This is further strengthened by the fact that, at the moment, the vast majority of the military personnel stationed in Greenland is also American, with the Pituffik Space Base being a crucial station for the US military.

As for what that invasion would actually look like, it would most likely be fought by air and sea as Greenland's icy terrain is strategically complicated to operate in. However, as previously mentioned, the US currently has more military personnel on the island than Denmark itself. So, we're basically predicting what it would be like for them to invade a territory they themselves control. What we can determine though, is how long that invasion would need to take, at least on paper. Legally speaking, Trump's administration would need to notify Congress of any military move within the 48 hours following the commitment of armed forces, that is if Pete Hegseth hasn't already added them to the group chat (just kidding). After that, Congress would need to authorise the use of force or declare war against Greenland, both highly unlikely scenarios. For this to happen, Trump would require at least 66 votes in favor of going to war, and with the Democrats holding 45 seats (compared to 53 by the Republicans) this would be very complicated. In the case that Trump doesn't receive the authorization he would be required by Article 1.8 of the US Constitution to end all military operations in Greenland within the next 60 days. This, however, seems like more than enough time for the US to secure control over Greenland.

https://www.debatmag...ican%20invasion


The current US fleet lacks sufficient ships that can operate effectively in the "diminished ice seas" of the Arctic:

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The Navy needs more surface ships that are capable of operating in what's considered diminished ice seas, which don't require icebreaking but do require strengthened hulls with gear outfitted for extreme cold, Dix said. Russia is steadily bulking up its Arctic presence, developing nuclear-powered icebreakers and reestablishing Arctic bases.

"Russia is far outpacing us in developing that capability," Webster said. "We're going to have to catch up to that if we want to compete."

The Navy, NORTHCOM and lawmakers recognize a growing Arctic capability gap exists, and Webster said the Pentagon secured a validated capability requirement to operate surface vessels in diminished ice waters.

https://news.usni.or...sence-in-arctic


The new battleships will be designed to withstand those diminished ice seas.

But why, if Trump and Putin are working together?

I highly doubt Trump is genuinely very concerned about Chinese military capabilities in the Arctic.

But he wants to annex Canada too.

I'm not sure exactly how much of an advantage complete control over Greenland and this "Trump-class fleet"---which Trump thinks will only take two and a half years, placing it within the timeframe of his presidency, but will probably take considerably longer---would give the United States military in waging war on Canada. Trump or his fascist successors might settle for trying to gain control over Canada's most lucrative natural resources and exacting tribute. Or they might insist on trying to force annexation.

As I've said before, once the United States is no longer technologically dependent on Taiwan, if Trump or MAGA are still in power, there's a significant possibility that Xi will strike a deal with Trump or one of his successors, and they will coordinate the Chinese invasion of Taiwan with the American invasian of someplace or other that would ordinarily draw heavy sanctions from other nations. Because placing economic sanctions on the United States and China at the same time would seem prohibitively expensive, and dramatically weaken the economies of countries that do so.

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Posted 23 December 2025 - 03:59 PM

View PostAzath Vitr (D, on 23 December 2025 - 02:45 PM, said:

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But he wants to annex Canada too.
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"Come and take them."



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Posted 24 December 2025 - 03:20 AM

So, apparently, the DoJ "redacted" the Epstein files PDFS by using the black highliter tool on them.
Copy-pasting the blacked out text makes it visible. Most of it, at least.

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Posted 24 December 2025 - 12:24 PM

View PostMentalist, on 24 December 2025 - 03:20 AM, said:

This admin would be terrifying, if it was actually competent.


Nice form... but unfortunately the US government and MAGA-adjacent oligarchs are so powerful that they can still cause tremendous and terrifying damage. Still their incompetence gives the rest of the world some hope.

Also worth remembering:

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Hitler Was Incompetent and Lazy—and His Nazi Government Was an Absolute Clown Show | Opinion - Newsweek


And Putler's government is far from the heights of competence, though I'd guess you're implying that it's much less incompetent than Trump's---seems reasonable, especially after Trump's ideological purges of the military and the intelligence community. There's also what could be called functional incompetence, or effective incompetence---where underlings may be capable of competent action but end up acting incompetently for ideological reasons or (if this doesn't count as "ideology") to tell their bosses what they want to hear.
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Posted 24 December 2025 - 02:14 PM

View PostMentalist, on 24 December 2025 - 03:20 AM, said:

So, apparently, the DoJ "redacted" the Epstein files PDFS by using the black highliter tool on them.
Copy-pasting the blacked out text makes it visible. Most of it, at least.

This admin would be terrifying, if it was actually competent.


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Posted 24 December 2025 - 06:01 PM

Surely someone can copy paste the whole thing and throw the fuckers to the wolves
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Posted 24 December 2025 - 07:12 PM

In yet another heartwarming holiday message, President Trump called for the murder of Stephen Colbert:

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Just before Christmas, US President Donald Trump has unleashed a fresh blast of vitriol at late-night comedy talk shows, saying comedian Stephen Colbert is a "pathetic train wreck" who should be "put to sleep".

[...] "Stephen is running on hatred and fumes – A dead man walking! CBS should, 'put him to sleep,' NOW," Trump said.

https://www.scmp.com...ld-be-put-sleep


1. Are his supporters seriously going to try to pass that off as a "a joke"?

2. Why TF am I (so far) only seeing this reported in my newsfeed by the South China Morning Post? Is this how desensitized Western media have become?

3."And isn't it ironic"... maybe not exactly tragic irony, but it's terrible. I do honestly think the popularity of the Colbert Report among people who were too dumb to realize it was parody probably provided some of the inspiration for Trump's laughable and idiotic--- but tragicomically effective---demagoguery. Life imitating art---or more precisely, life imitating the parody of life---and then murdering the star of the parody (but perhaps his minions will come for Colbert's old writers too before long... or try to threaten or torture them into writing for Trump).
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Posted 03 January 2026 - 07:49 AM

It would seem that the US has attacked Venezuela.
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Posted 03 January 2026 - 09:19 AM

Holy shit Maduro(stupid phone)and wife captured lol. I suspected something like that when I saw the choppers.

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Posted 03 January 2026 - 11:13 AM

"No new wars"

American aggression over natural resources is of course something everyone is familiar with but, man. Seeing them actually trying to start yet another war is depressing as hell.
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Posted 03 January 2026 - 12:17 PM

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Trump launched an unprovoked major military attack just 48 hours after declaring that his New Year's resolution was "peace on earth." [...] The 2 AM sneak attack began just shy of 24 hours after the president appeared to threaten a separate military attack on Iran in a 3 AM Truth Social post.

Nobel-Thirsty Donald Trump Starts War 48 Hours After Declaring His Resolution for 2026 Was 'Peace on Earth'


Maybe his goal is to achieve peace on Earth by teaming up with Russia and China to conquer the world?... or if that seems to be taking too long, turn it into very peaceful radioactive ashes to serve as the final, world-wide monument to his success?...

Well I guess he can at least win the Nobel Peace Prize if he conquers Norway... they've got a ton of oil too.

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Posted 03 January 2026 - 04:48 PM

View PostBriar King, on 03 January 2026 - 09:19 AM, said:

Holy shit Maduro(stupid phone)and wife captured lol. I suspected something like that when I saw the choppers.


We're laughing why?
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Posted 03 January 2026 - 04:49 PM

The good thing about trump, probably poor wording as there is nothing good about him, is that he will quickly ruin whatever quote unquote legitimate reasoning that is given and give the real one:

We did it because drugs.

Also, oil. Yeah the oil. We are going to run Venezuela because oil.

What the absolute fuck, guys. How many times will he say something to only do the exact opposite before it is evident that it’s not about the working class, safety, whatever other bullishly: it’s always about money and protecting himself.

His and his buddies.

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Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 03 January 2026 - 05:00 PM

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Trump Says U.S. Will 'Run the Country' After Capture of Maduro

[...] "until such time that we can do a safe, proper and judicious transition," [...] Trump put no time limit on the American occupation and offered no details about what it would look like. But he said American oil companies would "start making money for the country,"

Watch Live: Trump Speaks After U.S. Captures Venezuela President Maduro - The New York Times


Seems to be betting that the big mistake in Iraq was trying to install a functioning democracy and have a humanitarian occupation---as opposed to just securing the oil and installing a new authoritarian regime as or more brutal than Saddam, or leaving the populace to fend for themselves, only bothering to murder anyone who seemed poised to get in the way of the oil extraction.

Isn't it so nice to see the UK and the EU standing up to Trump so firmly? Oh wait...

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British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said his country was not involved in the United States' strikes on Venezuela and that he wanted to speak with Trump and find out the full facts of what had happened.

"I want to establish the facts first. I want to speak to President Trump. I want to speak to allies. I can be absolutely clear that we were not involved … and I always say and believe we should all uphold international law," he said in a statement to British broadcasters.

World reacts to US bombing of Venezuela, 'capture' of Maduro | Donald Trump News | Al Jazeera


Stiff upper lip... dangling from Trump's *ick?...

And the EU:

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"The EU has repeatedly stated that Mr Maduro lacks legitimacy and has defended a peaceful transition. Under all circumstances, the principles of international law and the UN Charter must be respected. We call for restraint. The safety of EU citizens in the country is our top priority."

World reacts to US bombing of Venezuela, 'capture' of Maduro | Donald Trump News | Al Jazeera

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Posted 03 January 2026 - 05:13 PM

Is this unprecedented? Has a country ever kidnapped another head of state like this?

Also an occupation? Was this an invasion or a surgical strike?

If he thinks will get him a bump I suspect it will get him the exact opposite. Although also don’t think the Venezuelan people will be launching a guerilla war against the USA. At least not to start. They are probably hopeful this could turns thing around for them but I suspect it will just be a mess.
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Posted 03 January 2026 - 05:24 PM

View PostCause, on 03 January 2026 - 05:13 PM, said:

Is this unprecedented? Has a country ever kidnapped another head of state like this?




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In December 1989, the U.S. invaded Panama, accusing dictator Manuel Noriega of drug trafficking and other crimes.

Noriega surrendered in January 1990 to American forces, who brought him back to the U.S. for trial.

[...] Trump administration officials for months have compared Maduro —also indicted for drug trafficking— to Noriega.

The Panama invasion, like this military action, was not authorized by Congress.

"This could be Noriega part 2," an official told Axios in August.

Maduro's capture draws echoes of Noriega in 1990



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Posted 03 January 2026 - 09:04 PM

 Macros, on 03 January 2026 - 04:48 PM, said:

 Briar King, on 03 January 2026 - 09:19 AM, said:

Holy shit Maduro(stupid phone)and wife captured lol. I suspected something like that when I saw the choppers.


We're laughing why?

Because BK is suffering under the delusion that the USA are the "good guys"
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Posted 03 January 2026 - 09:18 PM

View PostTiste Simeon, on 03 January 2026 - 09:04 PM, said:

View PostMacros, on 03 January 2026 - 04:48 PM, said:

View PostBriar King, on 03 January 2026 - 09:19 AM, said:

Holy shit Maduro(stupid phone)and wife captured lol. I suspected something like that when I saw the choppers.


We're laughing why?

Because BK is suffering under the delusion that the USA are the "good guys"


The interesting nuance to this is what seems to be a prevailing Venezuelan perspective that the US bad guy took out the Venzln bad guy.
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