[Malankazooie]

On my ballot was Cory Booker and Marianne Williamson and others who had dropped out long before Super Tuesday. Probably a symptom of preparing and printing them far in advance of the date.

[Terez]

tbh I didn't even pay that much attention to who all was on my ballot. I went straight to Warren. Voted for all her delegates, and other than that, most of the races were unopposed (like Dick Durbin, who has no primary opponent) or no candidate (meaning Republicans will be running unopposed in the general).

[Abyss]

Do they make public the results of votes for people no longer in the running?

[Terez]

Yep, though it would be unusual for someone who dropped out before the primary date to reach the 15% delegate threshold.

[amphibian]

So why would you not want to take back the early vote and do a pick between the two major candidates left in the race (completely discounting Gabbard here)?

This post has been edited by amphibian: 06 March 2020 - 09:27 PM

[Terez]

I can't speak for Vengeance, but the sentiment I have seen among Warren supporters seems to be basically this: Bernie's supporters thought that if they destroyed Warren, they would automatically get her votes. A lot of people want to make a statement that Bernie is not entitled to their votes. I don't know how widespread that actually is, though. Some Warren people went to Bernie; others went to Biden. A lot of that movement happened before she dropped out.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

 Terez, on 06 March 2020 - 09:32 PM, said:

I can't speak for Vengeance, but the sentiment I have seen among Warren supporters seems to be basically this: Bernie's supporters thought that if they destroyed Warren, they would automatically get her votes. A lot of people want to make a statement that Bernie is not entitled to their votes. I don't know how widespread that actually is, though. Some Warren people went to Bernie; others went to Biden. A lot of that movement happened before she dropped out.

'before she dropped out, 43 percent of Warren supporters said they’d move to Sanders, and 36 percent said they would go with Biden if she dropped out.'

However, the percentage could be different among her delegates. I read an interview with one who said Sanders is clearly the better pick for Warren delegates, but of course that's just one....

https://www.vox.com/...s-biden-sanders

Warren is holding off on an endorsement for now. Wonder if she's negotiating?...

[Terez]

I don't think she's negotiating much just yet. She already talked to Bernie, but she apparently told him she needs some time to wind down before she makes any decisions. Really good interviews with both of them on Maddow, here:

https://www.msnbc.co...ren-80116805828

[amphibian]

There is absolutely a vocal group of shithead Sanders supporters that goes around raging at people. There's similar groups of Trump, Biden, Warren etc supporters that do the same thing. Remember the Kamala Hive?

Basing a spite vote on a small group of shithead supporters that the candidate has denounced, fired staff who engaged in those things, and never done himself is jaw dropping for me.

It's functionally between Biden and Sanders now. Whose policies do you (not Terez specifically) agree with most? Vote for that person then.

Planning to get back at 100 shitheads online by throwing away a useful vote in a close primary is stunning to me. The two candidates are neck and neck right now.

People flipping to Biden or still voting Warren after supporting Warren for her political positions and seeing her call it a finished race for her seem disingenuous to me. There's real world stuff riding on this in a collective sense. They don't go away by voting for her or dropping out entirely for spite.

[Terez]

Warren herself said in her Maddow interview that it's not the typical "small group of shitheads online" with Bernie's camp. He had top surrogates actually doxxing people and putting them in fear for their lives and their families, just for supporting Warren over Bernie.

[amphibian]

 Terez, on 06 March 2020 - 10:14 PM, said:

Warren herself said in her Maddow interview that it's not the typical "small group of shitheads online" with Bernie's camp. He had top surrogates actually doxxing people and putting them in fear for their lives and their families, just for supporting Warren over Bernie.

He did not have top surrogates doxxing people. Warren didn't say that either. What she talked about was how some Sanders supporters on Twitter doxxed two culinary union workers who put out information about his healthcare plan and how Medicare for All would mean that their health insurance would disappear (information which was inaccurate at best) and that was definitely over the line. This is what she was referring to: https://thenevadaind...eir-health-care

For an example of some toxic Biden supporters, take a look at the responses to this woman (who came out and said Biden made her really uncomfortable with his touching of her): https://twitter.com/...655806822920192

I'm not saying that this isn't a problem - it absolutely is and I've actively stepped in to speak against Sanders supporters being jerks to Warren supporters on Fbook - and that this shouldn't be a consideration. What I am saying is that this is in part a really crappy part of every political movement (especially Trump's) and despite the continued efforts of Sanders and his leadership at the top (denouncing the conduct, firing low level staff who engage in the online abuse, modeling better conduct all the time), it still happens.

I think there's some element of Russian sponsored trolling too - Obdigore mentions this upthread. I don't think it's as prevalent as to be a fully astroturfed thing, but I think some of this is indeed amplified and driven by people who do not want Sanders elected (in addition to the people who want Sanders elected and are engaging in awful conduct).

[Terez]

Warren absolutely did say that it was more of a problem with Bernie's campaign than other campaigns. Also:
https://www.vettingb...ie-sanders.html

[amphibian]

 Terez, on 06 March 2020 - 11:05 PM, said:

Warren absolutely did say that it was more of a problem with Bernie's campaign than other campaigns. Also:
https://www.vettingb...ie-sanders.html

Vetting Bernie is one person - Spandan Chakrabarti - with a militant anti Sanders viewpoint (and absolutely loathes AOC, calls Michael Moore Michael Moron etc) and barely any other talk beyond "Bernie is trash". I read through the site, his several Twitter accounts, and so on. This isn't a credible source.

Furthermore, Gray and Sirota did not direct people to doxx others. What Gray in particular did was along the lines of "Can we let Brian Williams know the context of who this person is?" Hoarse Whisperer is a jerk who was not telling a fully truthful story about what happened in 2016.

Here's a better rundown of what happened - note how Allison isn't related to the campaign at all.

https://www.salon.co...e-pundit-class/

[Terez]

Whatever the source, they are right that by the time Gray backtracked, the damage was already done and the person's private information had been distributed online. And "jerk who was not telling a fully truthful story about what happened in 2016" applies to a whole lot of people.

[Cause]

Unbelievable. Another chief of staff bites the dust!

Now is probably a great time. Though I do need the sp500 to tumble a bit so I can invest.

[Terez]

As they say, there is a tweet for everything.

[Tsundoku]

Yes, it's a Murdoch site. Doesn't mean it's not true though.

Trump is so offended Crazy Bernie is being robbed of the D nomination.

https://www.news.com...4079b8e32e6773f

"Goodness knows whether Mr Trump’s faux concern for Mr Sanders will work. His attempted manipulation of the voters is so blatant it borders on absurdity."
In any country except the USA he'd have a point. Unfortunately the USA has a far bigger proportion of the population as thin-skinned proudly ignorant anti-intellectuals than any other western country, so Trump's stirring will actually have a measureable effect.

EDIT: basically for the Bernie supporters - don't be the spoilsports of 4 years ago. Hold your nose if you have to and vote for Biden in the election. Because anything else means 4 more years of Trump.

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 07 March 2020 - 08:29 AM

[amphibian]

 Terez, on 07 March 2020 - 12:09 AM, said:

Whatever the source, they are right that by the time Gray backtracked, the damage was already done and the person's private information had been distributed online. And "jerk who was not telling a fully truthful story about what happened in 2016" applies to a whole lot of people.

https://twitter.com/...0470123521?s=19

An interesting study and its thread. The relative percentage of rude/mean supporters on Twitter is basically the same for every candidate. However, Sanders has more on Twitter than anyone else.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

 amphibian, on 07 March 2020 - 04:32 PM, said:

 Terez, on 07 March 2020 - 12:09 AM, said:

Whatever the source, they are right that by the time Gray backtracked, the damage was already done and the person's private information had been distributed online. And "jerk who was not telling a fully truthful story about what happened in 2016" applies to a whole lot of people.

https://twitter.com/...0470123521?s=19

An interesting study and its thread. The relative percentage of rude/mean supporters on Twitter is basically the same for every candidate. However, Sanders has more on Twitter than anyone else.

Every Democratic candidate, that is....

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

It appears that Democrats may (just barely) win the Senate:

'[...] All four seats are held by Republicans — and all four show Democrats with a lead of four points or more, according to polls from PPP.

[...] Four Senate seats flipping would change leadership in the Senate, but there's a bit of a hitch: according to Cook Political Report, one Democratic Party member's senate seat, belonging to Alabama Sen. Doug Jones, is in "lean Republican" status. If Jones does indeed lose this November, the Senate would be tied, 50-50 — with tie-breaking votes dependant on the vice president, making the presidential election even more dire.'

https://www.politicu...dem-rivals.html

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 07 March 2020 - 08:17 PM