Morgoth, on 15 November 2018 - 01:14 PM, said:
Alternative Goose, on 15 November 2018 - 12:37 PM, said:
*Clears throat* Well Cause, before the leftist Zionist fake news destroyed the reputation of Gamer Gate, the movement was actually about more transparency in media. Specifically about the relationship between the press and the developers/publishers. Funny enough, when the shitstorm then descended on the industry and the media, the whole thing suddenly became about misogyny and the evil alt-right. Instead of examining their own ethics, the media made it about feminists and hatespeech. Quietly the media have fixed a lot of their shit in the interim but before Gamer Gate became the hive of scum and villainy it is now, there was that brief moment where it actually had merit. I think it lasted a week before it started rotting from the inside.
It started with the ex boyfriend of a minor games developer accusing his ex of all manner of nonsense that was quickly disproved. This however did not prevent a bunch of angry men on the internet from fomenting a hate campaign against her. It all started getting serious traction on 4chan, because of course it did. The exgirlfriend in question had to flee her own home for a while after receiving numerous of death threats. Also, for whatever reason only apparent to the same angry gamers, Anita Sarkeesian was pulled into the whole thing. Despite her having done nothing more in the interim than produce a few youtube videos about feminism and video games. Claims about collusion and bribery within the gaming press proved largely baseless, which influenced the movement not at all.
Not long after that Milo Yiannopoulos got involved as a major name in the movement, and the whole thing somehow managed to get even worse from there.
Apt likes to pretend there ever was something more to gamergate than rampant misogyny from angry man children. All this stuff about ethics in journalism is a thinly veiled attempt to legitimize what was inherently and from the very start an organized harassment campaign.
If you hate yourself and want to read about the whole thing, wikipedia has a decent summary:
https://en.wikipedia...ate_controversy .
Edit: I figured I'd throw in another couple of sources, in case someone where to read whatever comes of this and think maybe there was some worth to gamergate.
https://www.washingt...m=.ed9546d75410
https://www.theguard...omputer-age-war
https://gawker.com/w...eeks-1642909080
I don't think there's any reason to rehash the old debate from the feminist frequency thread:
https://forum.malaza...eo-game-tropes/
... But, okay lets go, I don't really have time for this discussion, but I love these debates... the links you posted have me very tempted to suddenly sympathize with Trump and the evil leftist media spinning stories. I cant get the Washington Post article to load for some reason but, Gawker is a terrible and biased source for anything really but especially Gamer Gate. The guardian article however certainly covers some of the matter but glosses over a lot of other stuff. I don't even remember this twine stuff.
The stuff I recall revolves around more than one discord thread (or what ever devs and media used then) being revealed where debates where had in secret about how to spin stories. Stories about Kotaku declaring gamers dead because something something avant gard post-gaming opinions. Zoe Quinn crying about doxing but feeling free to dox other developers or entrepeneurs she doesn't like (might be a competitor?). Quinn making fake doxxing accusations. Media aggressively pushing a pro-feminist stance in the wake of gamer gate, ousting normal thinking people who thought both sides where full of shit (on both sides, ON BOTH SIDES!), etc. As far as I recall Kotaku, Polygon and the like had plenty of very opinionated writers throthing at the mouth at any criticism of the narrative they were spinning.
Was it debunked that Zoe Quinn was sleeping around with a bunch of developers/media? The outrage there wasn't her sex life but that she, allegedly, slept with some media guy directly or indirectly involved with reviewing her game. I wont get into the sleazier parts of that whole mess.
Just to clarify here. I am not defending what Gamegate turned into, nor the harassment of Quinn and Co. but there was a core of truth there in terms of transparency and relationships and I never saw a single media related personality or outlet step forward and admit that they probably were being unprofessional. Quite the contrary (EDIT: See Total Biscuits interview with Stephen Totilo), I've seen plenty of content, including Giant Bomb, where the media happily defend their "incestuous" relationship with the video game industry because how else can they build a network and get information? The counter argument there is that very little video game coverage is actual journalism but it's a pretty hollow argument when sites do preview, review and lets play coverage of games. Giant Bomb tends to avoid reviews of companies they are friendly with, for example Iron Galaxies and the Rock Band people but there's so much more to it than that. I trust Giant Bomb to be on the level but there's a hell of a lot of sites out there I don't have the same faith in. Especially the ceaseless circle jerk that goes back and forth between the indie scene and the woke media - Like Waypoint, Kotaku, Polygon, etc.
Again, call me tin foil paranoid, but I swear the media tried to squash their own mess by blaming it all on the evil meninists and 4chan. I am telling you people, there were bad people on both sides. On both sides!
This post has been edited by Alternative Goose: 15 November 2018 - 02:34 PM