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#6341 User is offline   EmperorMagus 

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 06:14 AM

View PostTsundoku, on 12 January 2018 - 05:25 AM, said:

Anyone who migrates from Norway to the USA is insane. Unless it's for a squillion dollar job in a decent area. Or they're allergic to snow.


Even if you have a deadly allergy to snow, there are far better places to immigrate to (like Spain, or Italy, or southern France, or even England). Money is basically the only reason to live in the US.


Honestly, my first reaction to Trump's comment was: "And your country isn't a shithole?"
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 12:30 PM

Sorry, I just have to vent... something, somehow... :)

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 01:10 PM

View PostMalankazooie, on 12 January 2018 - 03:25 AM, said:

Oh boy, the butt Trump-it steps in in yet again. This time referring to Haiti and countries in Africa as "shithole countries." And then going on to say we should bring in more people from countries such as Norway.

This is the president of the United States. Say it out loud so that sinks in.


He is not wrong. If the rest of the world would send only its best and brightest and 5% of their GDP every year to the USA it could become great again.

The thing is though he has a point. I won the Diversity Lottery. It requires you completed highschool or have 2 years work experience in a job and you can speak English. That's it. Ideally you should have family in the USA or ten thousand dollars to your name but its not an absolute requirement.

The diversity lottery has been great to me and for many others but is it great for the USA? I have no idea but when I googled why it existed because when I won I had to seriously wonder why it did I basically learnt that the USA thought it was so great and felt that it was unfair that some people had less of a chance to make it to the USA and experience the American dream than others. The lottery is basically a form of charity to those who win it. I'm grateful I won and stand a chance to benefit from it but I did nothing to deserve it.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:06 PM

View PostTsundoku, on 12 January 2018 - 05:25 AM, said:

Anyone who migrates from Norway to the USA is insane. Unless it's for a squillion dollar job in a decent area. Or they're allergic to snow.


If for nothing else than isn't ALL education of any type in Norway FREE, including all post-secondary? I'd stay put JUST for that fact alone.

Also, I liked Norway (or at least what I saw of Norway).
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:23 PM

Totally clueless

http://www.msnbc.com...57315748http://
How many fucking people do I have to hammer in order to get that across.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:53 PM

Page not found, Venge.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:54 PM

View PostObdigore, on 12 January 2018 - 02:53 PM, said:

Page not found, Venge.


Ditto.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 03:02 PM

Hmm
http://www.msnbc.com...t-1135157315748

How does this one work
How many fucking people do I have to hammer in order to get that across.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 03:07 PM

That seems to be loading.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 05:52 PM

View PostVengeance, on 12 January 2018 - 03:02 PM, said:

Hmm
http://www.msnbc.com...t-1135157315748

How does this one work


Well, no one ever accused Arpaio of being knowledgeable about law.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 06:27 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 12 January 2018 - 02:06 PM, said:

View PostTsundoku, on 12 January 2018 - 05:25 AM, said:

Anyone who migrates from Norway to the USA is insane. Unless it's for a squillion dollar job in a decent area. Or they're allergic to snow.


If for nothing else than isn't ALL education of any type in Norway FREE, including all post-secondary? I'd stay put JUST for that fact alone.

Also, I liked Norway (or at least what I saw of Norway).


I had a job offer in the US and a few people said I was mad not to take it up but we have so many more statutory rights in the UK in terms of paid holidays, maternity, paternity and parental leave, more public holidays and employment rights. Certainly we get less for our money in terms of the cost of living - housing, fuel, cars cost a lot more here - and if I moved to the east coast tech triangle, Bay area or San Diego the tech industry employment opportunities would be off the scale but I would have to work like a dog now to get big rewards in 25 years time. I've got things too good where I am to do that and paying through the nose for education/healthcare is a no. People from shitholes are certainly much more inclined to work like dogs.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:02 PM

Trump is definitely wrong and his motivations are definitely racist and classist. He may have a point -- everyone has a point -- but having a point isn't the same thing as having a good point. The Diversity Lottery isn't a charity from the US, it's a blessing to the US. It's a recognition that not every virtue is quantifiable (it may be worth arguing that only the lowest of them are), and the literal least we can do in light of our sins. "Best and brightest" is vague enough to be meaningless, especially given our blind spots, and measuring 'greatness' by GDP is about as useless as measuring quality of life by how the stock market is doing. It should be bleached from everyone's brains that anyone has to 'do' something to 'earn' basic human dignity. That's all the 'American Dream' is, and the fact that just about everybody doesn't reach it (here or anywhere else in the world) isn't some natural state or unhappy accident, it is an ongoing, deliberate, man-made crime against humanity.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:28 PM

This is Haiti. These are the 'shitholes': https://twitter.com/...656979658870785
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:38 PM

I'm not on twitter.
Anytime I try click on the Twitter links you post I get a message saying I'm rate limited, sorry took too long to load

ETA
Nevermind, it loaded on my fifth attempt.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 11:00 PM

Wow, I'm not even familiar with rate limiting. Maybe I'll find out once the death of net neutrality kicks in. And that's another thing...

Spoiler

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 05:58 AM

View Postworry, on 12 January 2018 - 10:28 PM, said:

This is Haiti. These are the 'shitholes': https://twitter.com/...656979658870785


Holy shit. I did not know about those things. Because if I'd known I'd thought the US was even more of a shithole than I already did. Without actually checking up on whether he has his historical facts right, some of those events are just straight horrifying.

Could we have a Haiti History month in America?

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 02:30 PM

View PostTsundoku, on 12 January 2018 - 05:25 AM, said:

Anyone who migrates from Norway to the USA is insane. Unless it's for a squillion dollar job in a decent area. Or they're allergic to snow.


I have to agree. If I could choose anywhere to live, I'd choose Estonia first, then any of the Scandinavian countries, Sweden preffered.
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 03:30 PM

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On top of that, while perhaps they failed to use sufficiently strong wording in their posts, multiple moderators posted during that discussion to point out the simple solution of not using a word a fellow forum member finds problematic. Somehow, the discussion escalated from there to the point where a long-standing forum member felt the need to resign from the forum in anger. It never should have got to that point.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 10:32 PM

I hope HD comes back...
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Posted 14 January 2018 - 12:56 AM

Yeah, I hadn't even read up on the whole thread when I posted. Usually this thread has too many pages to catch up. I only caught the bit about Norway to US, when I've always wanted to goto Scandanavia.

Hopefully he returns. We'd also be one down on our Fantasy League if he doesn't play, which is of course, of the utmost importance.

Plus, I wouldn't have touched that squabble with Ublala Pung's........sword.
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