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#3861 User is offline   HoosierDaddy 

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:04 AM

Roe v. Wade is going down.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:05 AM

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View Post- Coltaine -, on 09 November 2016 - 04:43 AM, said:

That's so stupid.

This guy insulted every minority he could find. He lied hundreds of times. He approves waterboarding. He is a sexist. He has no fucking clue about international politics.

Why? Why? Why?

Just because he promised he would make America great again?


yes. it's called populism.

You have a system in place where the media, peer pressure, even education to an extent- all push you to live your life in a rats' race, always consuming, buying things on credit, accumulating debt, and then working like a dog to keep up with the debt- working so much you don't actually enjoy the things you bought, because you're too busy working to keep them a, and you're stressing about losing your job because then you'd lose the things you don't have time to enjoy. In all this, you're too busy to actually question or give a damn what politics means. you vote, usually the way your parents do, but you rarely take the time to educate yourself, and the whole thing is meaningless.
eventually, at some point, this life starts to frustrate you. You feel trapped in a cycle, and there's no way out. People on TV say your life's getting better, but you're not feeling it. *add in all the stuff about racism, mysogyny, etc, as it applies to your own region/culture*

You become angry. You can't articulate why you are angry- but you are. Life is not getting better, it's getting worse.

Then along comes A Populist- who is "not part of the system". He doesn't speak in fancy college-talk, and he's telling YOU he will make everyone's life better.

And so you vote. As do a TON of people who feel the same way.

I'm calling this phenomenon "The Identity Crisis of the West"


This is an amazing post. In so many ways...


For the record, I'm not supporting or endorsing populists, and I'm seeing this thing as another step towards a global disaster.

But the system does need an overhaul. Bernie might've started it. Clinton would've kept the status quo of slow degradation/stagnation and in 4 years there'd be a chance to try again.
Trump is a straight up great leap backwards and then sideways into mutual destruction.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:05 AM

View Post- Coltaine -, on 09 November 2016 - 05:03 AM, said:

View PostMentalist, on 09 November 2016 - 04:51 AM, said:

View Post- Coltaine -, on 09 November 2016 - 04:43 AM, said:

That's so stupid.

This guy insulted every minority he could find. He lied hundreds of times. He approves waterboarding. He is a sexist. He has no fucking clue about international politics.

Why? Why? Why?

Just because he promised he would make America great again?


yes. it's called populism.

You have a system in place where the media, peer pressure, even education to an extent- all push you to live your life in a rats' race, always consuming, buying things on credit, accumulating debt, and then working like a dog to keep up with the debt- working so much you don't actually enjoy the things you bought, because you're too busy working to keep them a, and you're stressing about losing your job because then you'd lose the things you don't have time to enjoy. In all this, you're too busy to actually question or give a damn what politics means. you vote, usually the way your parents do, but you rarely take the time to educate yourself, and the whole thing is meaningless.
eventually, at some point, this life starts to frustrate you. You feel trapped in a cycle, and there's no way out. People on TV say your life's getting better, but you're not feeling it. *add in all the stuff about racism, mysogyny, etc, as it applies to your own region/culture*

You become angry. You can't articulate why you are angry- but you are. Life is not getting better, it's getting worse.

Then along comes A Populist- who is "not part of the system". He doesn't speak in fancy college-talk, and he's telling YOU he will make everyone's life better.

And so you vote. As do a TON of people who feel the same way.

I'm calling this phenomenon "The Identity Crisis of the West"


We had this phenomen already in the 20s and 30s. Here we got Hitler. People should learn from our shitty history. No need to try everything by yourself.


History tends to be cyclical. And we rarely learn.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:07 AM

They declared Iowa (on Google) for Trump 244: 209

Clinton leading in Nevada (6 votes), Pennsylvania (20) and Maine (4)

Unless she regains lead in some other states, this it done.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:09 AM

View PostMentalist, on 09 November 2016 - 05:07 AM, said:

They declared Iowa (on Google) for Trump 244: 209

Clinton leading in Nevada (6 votes), Pennsylvania (20) and Maine (4)

Unless she regains lead in some other states, this it done.



Trump ahead in PA according to NYT.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:10 AM

Sorry world. We let you down.

Buckle up and prepare to tell him to shut the fuck up.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:11 AM

View PostEmperorMagus, on 09 November 2016 - 05:09 AM, said:

View PostMentalist, on 09 November 2016 - 05:07 AM, said:

They declared Iowa (on Google) for Trump 244: 209

Clinton leading in Nevada (6 votes), Pennsylvania (20) and Maine (4)

Unless she regains lead in some other states, this it done.



Trump ahead in PA according to NYT.


yep, just saw them switch that in the latest update.

That's the coup de grace for HRC
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:12 AM

No surprise, Canada's immigration site has crashed.


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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:14 AM

Eh, it's pretty hard to emigrate. It's a long process. It'll take me a while even with a professional degree.

Not surprised. Canada is somewhat sane. Somewhat.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:15 AM

I'm gonna say it's about 1/3 Clinton-hate, 1/3 the populist economic con, and 1/3 the -isms, in particular a repudiation of POC movements like Black Lives Matter. There's overlap in things like anti-immigrant & refugee rhetoric. It's all the worst humanity has to offer.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:15 AM

View PostBriar King, on 09 November 2016 - 05:14 AM, said:

This 16 pts is taking forever


BK, relax, if he takes Pennsylvania, not even a miracle will save HRC. You can go to bed happy.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:15 AM

View PostBriar King, on 09 November 2016 - 05:14 AM, said:

This 16 pts is taking forever


Be careful what you wish for....
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:16 AM

Called in. Going to get obliterated and hope this was a nightmare.

Don't wake me up.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:17 AM

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 09 November 2016 - 05:14 AM, said:

Eh, it's pretty hard to emigrate. It's a long process. It'll take me a while even with a professional degree.

Not surprised. Canada is somewhat sane. Somewhat.


For Law you'd need to do equivalency exams, then the Bar and articling. Job market in our profession's not the greatest.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:17 AM

Trump looks like he has Pennsylvania
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:18 AM

HD if you make it to Canada, gay marry me and we can live a happy bachelor life Up North.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:20 AM

View Postworry, on 09 November 2016 - 05:18 AM, said:

HD if you make it to Canada, gay marry me and we can live a happy bachelor life Up North.


Can't you marry now and bring him up there? How does that work there?
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:21 AM

View PostMentalist, on 09 November 2016 - 05:17 AM, said:

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 09 November 2016 - 05:14 AM, said:

Eh, it's pretty hard to emigrate. It's a long process. It'll take me a while even with a professional degree.

Not surprised. Canada is somewhat sane. Somewhat.


For Law you'd need to do equivalency exams, then the Bar and articling. Job market in our profession's not the greatest.


Just like here, but a better chance than most. A man can dream, Ment. A man can dream.

Worry, you can be my gay husband if I make it. Bring that legal weed.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:21 AM

View PostMentalist, on 09 November 2016 - 05:17 AM, said:

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 09 November 2016 - 05:14 AM, said:

Eh, it's pretty hard to emigrate. It's a long process. It'll take me a while even with a professional degree.

Not surprised. Canada is somewhat sane. Somewhat.


For Law you'd need to do equivalency exams, then the Bar and articling. Job market in our profession's not the greatest.


Although immigration law will get an uptick in the next couple of years.
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 05:22 AM

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 09 November 2016 - 05:21 AM, said:

View PostMentalist, on 09 November 2016 - 05:17 AM, said:

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 09 November 2016 - 05:14 AM, said:

Eh, it's pretty hard to emigrate. It's a long process. It'll take me a while even with a professional degree.

Not surprised. Canada is somewhat sane. Somewhat.


For Law you'd need to do equivalency exams, then the Bar and articling. Job market in our profession's not the greatest.


Just like here, but a better chance than most. A man can dream, Ment. A man can dream.

Worry, you can be my gay husband if I make it. Bring that legal weed.


Legal weed bombed in my state..super dissapointed.
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