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#8821 User is offline   Primateus 

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 10:50 AM

View Postworry, on 15 December 2018 - 02:44 AM, said:



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Can they do that? I don't think they can do that. Wasn't it upheld in the supreme court?
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Posted 15 December 2018 - 08:11 PM

It was upheld by SCOTUS because the penalty was seen as a tax (including by John Roberts, the deciding vote) but since Congress did away with the penalty in the tax bill last year, this judge has decided there is no "tax" element left. And since the individual mandate is part and parcel to the ACA as a whole, but is no longer a 'tax', the whole thing is unconstitutional.


Whether this reasoning will hold up on appeal is another story, but I'm not exactly optimistic. ACA is not immediately canceled, since the judge didn't issue an injunction, but I'm not hopeful it will survive this SCOTUS when it gets there (the end of the penalty may be exactly what Roberts needs to side with the other conservatives). I will say, as much as I think ACA is better than the previous status quo, any Dem who's not on the Medicare For All train by 2020 should be tarred and feathered.

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 09:51 PM

Surely everyone who has benefited from ombamacare or what ever it's called should be voting forever anti GOP the second it gets cancelled yes?
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Posted 16 December 2018 - 12:07 AM

The majority of the people do vote anti-GOP, election year after election year. But because of gerrymandering (for House reps), the electoral college (for prez), and the Senate (all states get two regardless of population), the GOP has an absolutely massive systemic advantage. If I had to bet, I would say more likely than not eliminating ACA would be enough for Dems to overcome that advantage in 2020. But you know me -- I don't have to think both sides are equally awful to understand there are enough Dems who do suck that even Dem majorities won't be a cure-all.


I won't get too in the weeds/boring re: US politics, but that is why progressives within the party are so important (especially if they refuse corporate PAC money), and why constituents contacting their legislators to exert pressure is important. And here's a solid tip imo for those contacting politicians outside their areas (e.g. you live in Cali but want to exert pressure on a 'moderate' Dem in, say, Texas): because they usually ignore people who aren't potential votes, always always always say you will donate to anyone who primaries them from the left on that issue.

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Posted 16 December 2018 - 08:00 AM

There's also the problem that a large number of GOP supporters don't seem to realize that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing. I have a coworker who praised the republican party for trying to repeal Obamacare, then went on to tell me how glad she is that the ACA was helping with her insurance bills.
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Posted 16 December 2018 - 10:49 AM

View PostZaloopa, on 16 December 2018 - 08:00 AM, said:

There's also the problem that a large number of GOP supporters don't seem to realize that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing. I have a coworker who praised the republican party for trying to repeal Obamacare, then went on to tell me how glad she is that the ACA was helping with her insurance bills.


:doh:

This is what happens when you have such a large percentage of the population that are ignorant and proud of it.
And enabled in that attitude by an unholy trinity of big business, fundamentalist religion and the GOP because that's their herd that they feed from. As parasites.
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Posted 16 December 2018 - 11:43 AM

Republicans are absolutely fantastic at branding things. "Death panels" is another great example.
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Posted 16 December 2018 - 11:51 AM

Having just now read what the heck "death panel" means, I would have thought it was a deliberate policy the GOP would be proud to call their own. :p
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Posted 16 December 2018 - 02:28 PM

"A term coined by Sarah Palin..."

Well, I've read enough...

https://en.wikipedia...nel?wprov=sfla1
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Posted 16 December 2018 - 07:33 PM

What the actual fuck???
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Posted 16 December 2018 - 09:13 PM

Wait, you guys don't have death panels in your countries? Then how do you decide who to kill, so you can harvest their valuable organs for the liberal elites?
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Posted 16 December 2018 - 09:58 PM

View PostAlternative Goose, on 16 December 2018 - 09:13 PM, said:

Wait, you guys don't have death panels in your countries? Then how do you decide who to kill, so you can harvest their valuable organs for the liberal elites?


The Tories look at what you earn and if it's below a certain threshold they decide you're a worthless peasant can be harvested Posted Image so, 90% of the country, really.
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Posted 16 December 2018 - 11:36 PM

A quick summary of Trump's achievements

https://www.news.com...617add4a465df52

I think the only thing they left out was the porkie-pie running tally. And I'm sure that can be found somewhere.

Hmmm ... closest I could find with a total was back to 2 Nov. But that was a very quick "Trump lies tally" Google.

https://www.washingt.../?noredirect=on

But there's also

https://www.politifa...byruling/false/

https://www.factchec...n/donald-trump/
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Posted 16 December 2018 - 11:46 PM

View PostTheRetiredBridgeburner, on 16 December 2018 - 09:58 PM, said:

View PostAlternative Goose, on 16 December 2018 - 09:13 PM, said:

Wait, you guys don't have death panels in your countries? Then how do you decide who to kill, so you can harvest their valuable organs for the liberal elites?


The Tories look at what you earn and if it's below a certain threshold they decide you're a worthless peasant can be harvested Posted Image so, 90% of the country, really.


Here in Denmark we let the military do it for us, the death panel thing, that is. It's cheaper that way, seeing as how we kill two flies with one stone, teaching our soldiers how to kill and all.

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Posted 17 December 2018 - 08:51 PM

Show of hands. Who wants to see this guy get punched in the face?


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Posted 17 December 2018 - 08:58 PM

He just looks like someone who is a serial killer
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Posted 17 December 2018 - 09:38 PM

Did he get a hair transplant or is that mold on the top of his head?
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Posted 17 December 2018 - 11:03 PM

View PostMacros, on 17 December 2018 - 08:58 PM, said:

He just looks like someone who is a serial killer


Yup, seems to tick all the boxes I can think of for "sociopath". Look at those dead, dead eyes.
Reminds me of Putin actually, but without the intelligence.
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Posted 17 December 2018 - 11:29 PM

He's not allowed out of the White House sewers very often to appear on a news talk show, so he unboxed his best shoe polish and got his sexy on.
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Posted 17 December 2018 - 11:34 PM

View PostPrimateus, on 16 December 2018 - 11:46 PM, said:

View PostTheRetiredBridgeburner, on 16 December 2018 - 09:58 PM, said:

View PostAlternative Goose, on 16 December 2018 - 09:13 PM, said:

Wait, you guys don't have death panels in your countries? Then how do you decide who to kill, so you can harvest their valuable organs for the liberal elites?


The Tories look at what you earn and if it's below a certain threshold they decide you're a worthless peasant can be harvested Posted Image so, 90% of the country, really.


Here in Denmark we let the military do it for us, the death panel thing, that is. It's cheaper that way, seeing as how we kill two flies with one stone, teaching our soldiers how to kill and all.

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Because I was curious, these are screenshots from
https://imdb.com/title/tt0478365/
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