[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Speaking as someone with chickenpox scars, they're not really very noticeable at all. I had it when I was 6, I'm 29 now and aside from one on my lower back (which was an unusually angry one that my parents described as looking like a cigarette burn, and now just looks like a little oval of skin that's slightly paler than the surrounding skin) they've pretty much faded down to nothing. I can only find the others because I knew where they were to begin with.

I didn't know there was a vaccine for it before reading this thread today though!

EDIT: Macros (just seen your post), I think they only scar if you knock the top off them (usually by itching) although I had a couple that just broke open of their own accord, which are the ones that scarred. As I say though, it's not noticeable.

This post has been edited by TheRetiredBridgeburner: 21 November 2018 - 05:08 PM

[QuickTidal]

Macros, on 21 November 2018 - 05:04 PM, said:

genuine question, chicken pox scars? does that happen? I can't think of anyone I know that has scars from chicken pox and I'm fairly sure everyone I know has had chicken pox!

They are from picking the pox marks off while you have the infection...and result in little divots of skin that (as TRB points out below) are not really too noticeable later in life. My sister has one on her forehead, but I'd have to point it out to you for you to see it.

[Macros]

huh, the more you know.

[Nevyn]

Mezla PigDog, on 21 November 2018 - 12:23 PM, said:

We don't vaccinate against chicken pox in the UK. I was surprised to learn that other countries do. I know it's serious in the usual at risk groups but I think because it isn't serious in young children and virtually all young children get it in this country and are therefore immune during the rest of their lifetime the healthcare economics don't stack up in favour of vaccination.

2 important counterpoints to that:

1) Having more young children get it means it is more likely to be transmitted to an at risk person,

and


2) The same virus can cause shingles later in life, but is less likely to (or potentially less severe) if a person was vaccinated rather than having chicken pox.

[Nevyn]

As for the scars, can confirm.

[Anomander]

I also have at least 1 chickenpox scar that's above my right eyebrow. It's really not noticeable unless you go looking for it.

Story time!

I was totally the kid who hosted the chicken pox party growing up. My birthday is a week before Christmas and lucky me I got a wicked case of the pox shortly beforehand. It was the best attended birthday I had when younger but unfortunately I couldn't fully enjoy it. I was super happy when everyone went home and I was able to die on the couch in peace with cartoons. I also remember having oven mitts securely taped to both hands to prevent scratching; I was allowed to take them off for the party though!

[Mezla PigDog]

Nevyn, on 21 November 2018 - 08:09 PM, said:

Mezla PigDog, on 21 November 2018 - 12:23 PM, said:

We don't vaccinate against chicken pox in the UK. I was surprised to learn that other countries do. I know it's serious in the usual at risk groups but I think because it isn't serious in young children and virtually all young children get it in this country and are therefore immune during the rest of their lifetime the healthcare economics don't stack up in favour of vaccination.

2 important counterpoints to that:

1) Having more young children get it means it is more likely to be transmitted to an at risk person,

and


2) The same virus can cause shingles later in life, but is less likely to (or potentially less severe) if a person was vaccinated rather than having chicken pox.

That's all true but lived experience in the UK suggests no pox vaccination is not a bad thing. In my 38 years I've known one adult with chicken pox and one with shingles (and she was from Taiwan). I'm not saying don't vaccinate against it I'm just saying in the UK the cost benefit decision not to vaccinate nationally against this specific virus does not seem to be a big deal. One public health decision for one scenario doesn't mean it's right for all healthcare systems. And if I could vaccinate my son I probably would just for my own specific childcare logistics. I got myself the flu vaccine and will take up his optional flu vaccine this year for exactly that reason.

I frickin love the science behind public health. Sociology, economics and science all playing together, it's riveting to me. For example the reason they give so many combined vaccines is due to uptake. People are more likely to find time for a small number of vaccination appointments than lots of single ones - in the developed world anyway. And it was the combined MMR vaccine that caused the fake link to autism which fuels the anti-vax movement. Ain't that a kick in the teeth.

[Maark Abbott]

Mezla PigDog, on 21 November 2018 - 10:34 PM, said:

Nevyn, on 21 November 2018 - 08:09 PM, said:

Mezla PigDog, on 21 November 2018 - 12:23 PM, said:

We don't vaccinate against chicken pox in the UK. I was surprised to learn that other countries do. I know it's serious in the usual at risk groups but I think because it isn't serious in young children and virtually all young children get it in this country and are therefore immune during the rest of their lifetime the healthcare economics don't stack up in favour of vaccination.

2 important counterpoints to that:

1) Having more young children get it means it is more likely to be transmitted to an at risk person,

and

2) The same virus can cause shingles later in life, but is less likely to (or potentially less severe) if a person was vaccinated rather than having chicken pox.

That's all true but lived experience in the UK suggests no pox vaccination is not a bad thing. In my 38 years I've known one adult with chicken pox and one with shingles (and she was from Taiwan). I'm not saying don't vaccinate against it I'm just saying in the UK the cost benefit decision not to vaccinate nationally against this specific virus does not seem to be a big deal. One public health decision for one scenario doesn't mean it's right for all healthcare systems. And if I could vaccinate my son I probably would just for my own specific childcare logistics. I got myself the flu vaccine and will take up his optional flu vaccine this year for exactly that reason.

I frickin love the science behind public health. Sociology, economics and science all playing together, it's riveting to me. For example the reason they give so many combined vaccines is due to uptake. People are more likely to find time for a small number of vaccination appointments than lots of single ones - in the developed world anyway. And it was the combined MMR vaccine that caused the fake link to autism which fuels the anti-vax movement. Ain't that a kick in the teeth.

The logic is that if you allow a child to get chicken pox, they'll not have the much more serious version later in life as an adult. So it's sort of don't vaccinate to catch something which then vaccinates against a worse thing anyway.

[Tiste Simeon]

Interesting article about Mueller and how he's pretty much the anti-Trump.

https://amp.theguard...a-investigation

[Primateus]

Not a question of American politics, specifically, so maybe a little off-topic?

But, can someone tell me where the claim that facism and nazism are actually left-wing ideologies come from?

Because just a few years ago I'd never heard of that, everone agreed they were extreme right-wing.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Primateus, on 24 November 2018 - 10:03 PM, said:

Not a question of American politics, specifically, so maybe a little off-topic?

But, can someone tell me where the claim that facism and nazism are actually left-wing ideologies come from?

Because just a few years ago I'd never heard of that, everone agreed they were extreme right-wing.

For Fascism---people conflating it with totalitarianism, totalitarianism with Communism, and Communism with leftism in general (and Progressivism in particular, especially regulations on speech, behavior, and lifestyle).

For Nazism---partly from misconstruing the term 'National Socialist'; but mostly from the old tactic of 'accuse your enemies of doing what you're doing'... a bit like the related claim that Democrats are the real racists because they were pro-slavery---but with even less historical understanding. Not sure how much of it is genuine ignorance and how much is willfully irrational motivated 'reasoning'....

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 24 November 2018 - 10:15 PM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

(I was going to cite that famous Goebbels quote, 'Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty', but apparently the only record of him saying something like that is, '"The cleverest trick used in propaganda against Germany during the war was to accuse Germany of what our enemies themselves were doing," which Goebbels did say at a 1934 Nurenberg rally.')

https://en.wikiquote...Joseph_Goebbels

[Primateus]

Azath Vitr (D, on 24 November 2018 - 10:12 PM, said:

Primateus, on 24 November 2018 - 10:03 PM, said:

Not a question of American politics, specifically, so maybe a little off-topic?

But, can someone tell me where the claim that facism and nazism are actually left-wing ideologies come from?

Because just a few years ago I'd never heard of that, everone agreed they were extreme right-wing.

For Fascism---people conflating it with totalitarianism, totalitarianism with Communism, and Communism with leftism in general (and Progressivism in particular, especially regulations on speech, behavior, and lifestyle).

For Nazism---partly from misconstruing the term 'National Socialist'; but mostly from the old tactic of 'accuse your enemies of doing what you're doing'... a bit like the related claim that Democrats are the real racists because they were pro-slavery---but with even less historical understanding. Not sure how much of it is genuine ignorance and how much is willfully irrational motivated 'reasoning'....

Well, yeah, I know that. But does it have an origin? Are we talking some asshole like Peterson, Shapiro, Hannity or something?

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Primateus, on 24 November 2018 - 10:25 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 24 November 2018 - 10:12 PM, said:

Primateus, on 24 November 2018 - 10:03 PM, said:

Not a question of American politics, specifically, so maybe a little off-topic?

But, can someone tell me where the claim that facism and nazism are actually left-wing ideologies come from?

Because just a few years ago I'd never heard of that, everone agreed they were extreme right-wing.

For Fascism---people conflating it with totalitarianism, totalitarianism with Communism, and Communism with leftism in general (and Progressivism in particular, especially regulations on speech, behavior, and lifestyle).

For Nazism---partly from misconstruing the term 'National Socialist'; but mostly from the old tactic of 'accuse your enemies of doing what you're doing'... a bit like the related claim that Democrats are the real racists because they were pro-slavery---but with even less historical understanding. Not sure how much of it is genuine ignorance and how much is willfully irrational motivated 'reasoning'....

Well, yeah, I know that. But does it have an origin? Are we talking some asshole like Peterson, Shapiro, Hannity or something?

It probably goes back to the Red Scare. But recently Dinesh D'Souza has done a lot to promote it with his recent movie (which was showing in mainstream theaters) where he claims that Trump is like Lincoln.

https://en.wikipedia..._Second_Time%3F

He also published a book in 2017 called The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left.

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 24 November 2018 - 10:36 PM

[worry]

I don't know if there's a single epicenter, and Azath's posts are all good, like this kind of thing has been happening for a while with high and low tides (you can tie Roy Cohn alone directly to Joseph McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Donald Trump, Ronald Reagan, and Rupert Murdoch -- and Roger Stone is a similarly insidious Forrest Gump-ian figure in evil history). But I feel like it's been snowballing in particular since right-wing radio personalities -- who are one and all (and I know I keep using this word, but it's accurate) grifters -- started becoming celebs, with big book deals and all that. That and Fox News meant having to up the ante each time, and there's probably a direct line from older epithets like "nanny state" to the "totalitarian left". If I had to put a poster boy on the public, mass-marketing of this stuff it'd be Rush Limbaugh over the Alex Joneses of the world any day.

[worry]

This lady is gonna win, huh?

[Tsundoku]

I had no idea who the heck she was so I did a quick Google and this was the first result:

https://www.politico...-senate-1012700

Classy.

[Aptorian]

I watched that debate she had against her democratic opponent recently and she looked completely rudderless and unprepared. Is she just some kind of figure head of big money or does she actually have any political or administrative skill?

[Vengeance]

Yes a gop figure head. No skill and no plan other then doing what she is told.

[worry]

In other words, yes, she has all the political and administrative skill required to be a GOP congressperson.