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#6241 User is offline   Gorefest 

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:30 PM

Bannon said himself that he would not testify. So unless they make him, we wont see him in the stand.
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Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:37 PM

I'd put that book at 20% truth, 50% misinformation, and 30% straight lies. Because it is still Bannon.

But that's enough to go along with.

I wish I could see the reaction of every person who voted for him invisibly and see their reactions. A lot are straight racists, which, ok. They're awful. A lot are dumbass rednecks who were promised the world and have received...? A tax cut that hurts them? "But them damned "coloreds" aren't coming in no more!"

That last line is from experience in being in redneck land.
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Posted 04 January 2018 - 01:49 PM

I'm surprised. Seems like little fallout from this book so far. Though I think the time of year is playing a part. Though having read more, it seems to offer no real evidence. Its just shocking in the sense that an ally had broken ranks and attacjed trump.
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Posted 04 January 2018 - 10:01 PM

The book is likely to be quite accurate. Trump and his lawyers are trying to get it shut down. The publishers have responded by moving the date forward. Might buy it. Don't think any money goes to Bannon, he didn't have anything to do with the writing of it as far as I can see. I think he is publicly distancing himself because he knows what's going down and doesn't want to be dragged in any further.

Edit: https://twitter.com/...023670344847360

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 10:13 PM

IIRC, it starts with a forward stating many of these are "re-created events". I still stand by my percentages; none of these people are trustworthy sources. They all have their own biases and reasons to mislead. Doesn't mean some isn't true or the main gist isn't true; but it isn't dogma.
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Posted 04 January 2018 - 11:26 PM

I don't really know Michael Wolff's work, but from a quick check I don't have any reason to believe he's a Kitty Kelley "unauthorized biography!" type of writer. That said, I'm with HD on the caution...these aren't just your usual Washington hangers-on, these are the worst of the worst of the worst. If you drained the swamp only to find a portal to a cesspool universe, these would be its denizens. They're looking for reasons to stab each other's backs.

Nevertheless, I also wouldn't mind some juicy tidbits!
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Posted 05 January 2018 - 07:03 AM

rump in an interview: "I don't talk to him [Steve Bannon], that's a misnomer".

Misnomer - an inaccurate name or description.

Talking to someone is not a name or description, Fanta Man.

And I see his response to KJU's 'nuclear button' was along the lines of 'lol mine's bigger git rekt'? Frightful times.
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Posted 05 January 2018 - 08:06 AM

It feels like this administration is trying to intentionally recreate episodes from "The West Wing" and do the opposite of what Leo/Josh did ...

This book thing reminds me of that time one of the 'West Wing' white house photographers had been fired and the guy wrote a 'tell all' book. Of course, the fictional Bartlet administration was smart enough to just ignore the book and let it disappear after its two hours of fame. No such sense from the moron though.


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Posted 05 January 2018 - 12:01 PM

Same thing happened here in South Africa, journalist published a book exposing more of my Presidents corruption and tax evasion. Everyone from the President to the TAX department has denied its true but everyone under the son is also trying to have him charged with breaking the law by publishing confidential tax information. He cant be a liar and also have published real info at the same time. Sales of the book quadrupled.
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Posted 05 January 2018 - 12:45 PM

The book seems like it could be quite plausible, at least in its reporting of what was said to Wolff (but no accounting that what was said to him was itself actually true). Apparently he got permission to just hang around the White House for a year.

Of the long excerpt that I read in the NY Times (I think it was there), the most plausible sounding was the thoughts of former deputy chief of staff Katie Walsh - but then that's because everyone else sounded like a caricature of a human being, which perhaps they all are in real life.
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Posted 05 January 2018 - 01:44 PM

That Sarah Huckabee Sanders woman may very well be the worst woman I've ever had to listen to. She's 100% fucking AWFUL HUMAN. Every time she holds a press conference, I silently pray for a reporter to trip her right up...because she's a smug fucking douchenozzle all the time.
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Posted 05 January 2018 - 07:31 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 05 January 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

That Sarah Huckabee Sanders woman may very well be the worst woman I've ever had to listen to. She's 100% fucking AWFUL HUMAN. Every time she holds a press conference, I silently pray for a reporter to trip her right up...because she's a smug fucking douchenozzle all the time.


I can't believe I'm saying this, but she actually makes me miss Sean Spicer a little. At least you could tell that Spicey wasn't enjoying being a posterchild for this shitshow of an administration.
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Posted 05 January 2018 - 08:38 PM

View PostJPK, on 05 January 2018 - 07:31 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 05 January 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

That Sarah Huckabee Sanders woman may very well be the worst woman I've ever had to listen to. She's 100% fucking AWFUL HUMAN. Every time she holds a press conference, I silently pray for a reporter to trip her right up...because she's a smug fucking douchenozzle all the time.


I can't believe I'm saying this, but she actually makes me miss Sean Spicer a little. At least you could tell that Spicey wasn't enjoying being a posterchild for this shitshow of an administration.


And he was great material for SNL.
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Posted 06 January 2018 - 12:48 AM

This take on the Wolff book is pretty funny, and I can't help but agree with its conclusions: https://www.gq.com/s...se-trump-access
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Posted 07 January 2018 - 05:09 PM

So, segwaying into that wall Trump wants to build. A user on Reddit posted a curious comment the other day.

Instead of spending billions and billions on building, maintaining and manning a stupid wall across the bottom of the US, couldn't you make an invisible one for a fraction of the price? Build a drone air fleet/cheap satellite band that constantly monitors the border for movement, and just have personnel respond to invaders? That would still be ridiculously expensive in terms of deployment but probably a fraction of the cost of this penis enlargement project.

Hell, if you wanted to be inhuman, and you would if you were Trump, just arm the drones have them fire on unauthorised movement identifiable as human beings rapist terrorist criminals.

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 05:13 PM

I think the term is 'bad hombres'
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Posted 07 January 2018 - 05:43 PM

View PostAlternative Goose, on 07 January 2018 - 05:09 PM, said:

So, segwaying into that wall Trump wants to build. A user on Reddit posted a curious comment the other day.

Instead of spending billions and billions on building, maintaining and manning a stupid wall across the bottom of the US, couldn't you make an invisible one for a fraction of the price? Build a drone air fleet/cheap satellite band that constantly monitors the border for movement, and just have personnel respond to invaders? That would still be ridiculously expensive in terms of deployment but probably a fraction of the cost of this penis enlargement project.

Hell, if you wanted to be inhuman, and you would if you were Trump, just arm the drones have them fire on unauthorised movement identifiable as human beings rapist terrorist criminals.


Symbolic policy. A "wall" of drones, satellites and personnel isn't as visible, or "daunting" as an actual wall.
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Posted 07 January 2018 - 06:07 PM

Hmm. That is an exellent point. Megalomaniacs do like their big brutalist monuments.
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Posted 07 January 2018 - 07:22 PM

You better believe he wants to put his name on something.
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Posted 07 January 2018 - 07:33 PM

View PostAlternative Goose, on 07 January 2018 - 05:09 PM, said:

So, segwaying into that wall Trump wants to build. A user on Reddit posted a curious comment the other day.

Instead of spending billions and billions on building, maintaining and manning a stupid wall across the bottom of the US, couldn't you make an invisible one for a fraction of the price? Build a drone air fleet/cheap satellite band that constantly monitors the border for movement, and just have personnel respond to invaders? That would still be ridiculously expensive in terms of deployment but probably a fraction of the cost of this penis enlargement project.

Hell, if you wanted to be inhuman, and you would if you were Trump, just arm the drones have them fire on unauthorised movement identifiable as human beings rapist terrorist criminals.


So, build Skynet?

But seriously, the people who support this are the same worried about government coming to get their guns and other nonsense. That's just (((Deep State))).
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