[worry]

Even more starkly:


I definitely take your point. I'm actually not super cynical in terms of the debate between attempting change from "inside" vs "outside" -- in other words the risk that "it changes you more than you change it" exists in both methods, and I don't want to demonize either choice because I think good people can participate in both ways. I'm also not cynical about the potential for change, in a vacuum. That pyramid is in no way a permanent natural truth.

Where I am cynical, of course, is time. We don't have enough, due to our just-beyond-the-horizon climate catastrophes. As a species we've already been murdered (or is it suicide?). It'd be nice for a generation or two to maximize quality of life for almost everyone before the end though, if just to have done it.

[Nicodimas]

Well that was quick. Nothing to see here folks. You can draw whatever you like from this, just saying...

http://www.zerohedge...inance-chairman

Trump-Goldmans

Hilary-Goldmans
https://en.wikipedia...ki/Gary_Gensler

[WinterPhoenix]

I've been led to believe, and I will admit that this could be from misunderstanding stuff I was only half listening to, that the Republican Party doesn't actually want Trump as it's presidential candidate, is this true? If so, how exactly was he allowed to run in the first place? As In why was he not running on his own independent ticket with his billions of dollars and comparatively fewer neurons?

And if he wins the public vote (I'm not sure what it's looking like at the moment, last time I checked in on it all was some time ago) is he guaranteed to be running for them, or could there be some dodgy political chicanery within the party itself leading to riots and all out dissent? Frankly, I won't lie, I find American politics to be up there with String Theory in terms of complication, it baffles me house the system runs at all.

[worry]

Reince Preibus, current head of the RNC, has called Trump the presumptive nominee, and all his rivals have suspended their campaigns. Both parties have arcane stuff, but essentially Trump is the Republican candidate. It's quite significant because presumptive nominees start getting actual political privileges, like RNC funding and staffing, not to mention classified intelligence briefings as prep for the job. This means like real CIA-level national security hush-hush info.

And to those of you saying Hillary is actually more aligned with Republican values, where did you get THAT idea?!?!?!

http://www.politico....h-donors-222872

[WinterPhoenix]

Reince Preibus is a name that sounds more at home between the pages of the novels for which this forum is named, than any actual real life situation!

[worry]

I believe it was Ben Carson who referred to him as Reince Pubus during a debate.

[Fiddler Farstrider]

Is it wrong (as a Bernie supporter) to hope that Trumps wins just so I can say" I told you so" a few years from now, when the country becomes a dumpster fire? I guess it's akin to me also hoping the temperature rises 5 degrees celcius, just so we can tell the climate deniers they were idiots as the world burns.

This post has been edited by Fiddler Farstrider: 06 May 2016 - 09:31 PM

[worry]

Yes it is wrong.

[amphibian]

Briar King, on 06 May 2016 - 09:25 PM, said:

Hmmmmmmmmm I just looked at my card and it says Dem. Idk why other then it was a genuine mistake on the dmv ladies part or she was getting revenge on me for bashing Her and thought it would be funny.

Anyway it's kinda funny.

So your voter registration is for the Democratic party?

[Tiste Simeon]

So vote Bernie maybe? Then you will be directly doing something to oppose Clinton before the general... Just a thought I would never tell anyone how to vote...

[Mentalist]

Tiste Simeon, on 07 May 2016 - 04:08 PM, said:

So vote Bernie maybe? Then you will be directly doing something to oppose Clinton before the general... Just a thought I would never tell anyone how to vote...

I think Louisiana already had its primary though

[amphibian]

It's pretty funny that Briar King hates Hillary sooooo much, but missed the chance to directly participate in the primary and vote against her.

[Tsundoku]

Obviously high on your list of priorities.

Then again, your choices are probably best described as a Catch-22. And that's putting it nicely. So I guess I can understand it slipping your mind.

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 10 May 2016 - 08:35 AM

[Terez]

Over 10% in WV voting for "Other". Odd result.

[Terez]

[Tsundoku]

"Other" = "somebody's attractive cousin/sister".

[Gorefest]

Not sure if this was discussed somewhere before already, but I felt that this Guardian article did make an interesting point about Trump and his support base:

http://www.theguardi...ericans-support

[Terez]

I have been saying all along that this is why Bernie polls better against Trump than Hillary does in the general election, and why Trump might end up being more difficult for her to beat than people realize. She's very weak when it comes to issues that affect the poor and lower middle class. Only the most educated of us are immune to Trump's talking points. And the Mormons, who seem more likely than other religious folk to be turned off by Trump's coarse rhetoric and general irreverence.

[Tiste Simeon]

I may have missed it somewhere but are there polls suggesting Trump would beat Hilary, decisively or otherwise?

[Terez]

Not really; she's still looking like the clear favorite at this point. But as any Hillary voter would tell you, general election polls don't mean much this far out. The general campaign hasn't even begun yet.