[JPK]

QuickTidal, on 04 November 2026 - 05:47 PM, said:

JPK, on 04 November 2026 - 04:53 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 04 November 2026 - 04:25 PM, said:

Chance, on 04 November 2026 - 04:09 PM, said:

amphibian, on 04 November 2026 - 04:03 PM, said:

Stopping the attacks on Iran and the insanity that is "negotiation" is hard with the general structure of Trump's executive actions (frequently illegal and dumb to boot) and the enthusiasm that the military leadership now has to go throw bombs at people. Cutting funding is a valid tactic, yet it is slow and creates a screaming group that js military aligned about how their needs aren't met. That's not an ethical problem, but it is a problem that would need vision and dedication to manage.

Is it possible to impeach him? Now that they will likely control both congress and senate?

There should be no end of potential criminal investigations to throw his way.

They can impeach him again, which only requires a simple majority in the House, but to convict and remove him they'd need 67 votes in the Senate. So if the Democrats end up with 56 seats in the Senate (and Fetterman goes along with it) then they'd need 11 Republicans.

Which I wouldn't think possible but they may turn on him after yesterday's bloodbath.

Not the least of which is that HE's turning on them....his own hand picked Rs who ran in these races and lost he's now calling them out and calling them losers and shit...like the whole thing seems to be fracturing...the Right Wing media sphere is in shambles too, Loomer crashing out about Sharia law and communism, Walsh blaming Trump and the war...like these people are turning on each other for blame.

It's beautiful to watch. I've been lurking in r/conservative to see reactions there as well and it's just chaos all the way down.

[QuickTidal]

What's funny to me is they could have gotten off this train SO many times in the last two years...for any number of reasons...choosing to go down with the ship so you end up doom and gloom after the wave hits is a personal choice they all have to reckon with.

[QuickTidal]

Also Mississippi is incredibly still in play...The Dem Colom is like 65 votes above the R and they don't do recounts in that state. Whatever the final count is will stand.

[Slow Ben]

Up to 164!


Come on Mississippi!

[JPK]

Looks like Peltola has pulled slightly ahead in Alaska again as well.

[Slow Ben]

Helll yeah.

[Abyss]

JPK, on 04 November 2026 - 06:18 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 04 November 2026 - 05:47 PM, said:

JPK, on 04 November 2026 - 04:53 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 04 November 2026 - 04:25 PM, said:

Chance, on 04 November 2026 - 04:09 PM, said:

amphibian, on 04 November 2026 - 04:03 PM, said:

Stopping the attacks on Iran and the insanity that is "negotiation" is hard with the general structure of Trump's executive actions (frequently illegal and dumb to boot) and the enthusiasm that the military leadership now has to go throw bombs at people. Cutting funding is a valid tactic, yet it is slow and creates a screaming group that js military aligned about how their needs aren't met. That's not an ethical problem, but it is a problem that would need vision and dedication to manage.

Is it possible to impeach him? Now that they will likely control both congress and senate?

There should be no end of potential criminal investigations to throw his way.

They can impeach him again, which only requires a simple majority in the House, but to convict and remove him they'd need 67 votes in the Senate. So if the Democrats end up with 56 seats in the Senate (and Fetterman goes along with it) then they'd need 11 Republicans.

Which I wouldn't think possible but they may turn on him after yesterday's bloodbath.

Not the least of which is that HE's turning on them....his own hand picked Rs who ran in these races and lost he's now calling them out and calling them losers and shit...like the whole thing seems to be fracturing...the Right Wing media sphere is in shambles too, Loomer crashing out about Sharia law and communism, Walsh blaming Trump and the war...like these people are turning on each other for blame.

It's beautiful to watch. I've been lurking in r/conservative to see reactions there as well and it's just chaos all the way down.

i'm hoping the attitude towards Trumpler shifts from great white champion of hope to complete and total scapegoat.

[Grief]

Chance, on 03 November 2026 - 08:53 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 03 November 2026 - 08:08 PM, said:

Chance, on 03 November 2026 - 08:00 PM, said:

I'm no American but too me it seems that the further left the democrats go the more they alienate the middle and the less likely they are to win the next election. It kinda seems the basic working of politics in most of the west really.

there's a growing polarization between cities that are becoming increasingly progressive, and rural/less economically developed areas, that are becoming more conservative/culturally backward, especially as the more progressive youths are moving out into said cities.

In places where electoral system is set up to favour the less populated areas, this leads to a significant rightward slide overall. The only real way to address this is to either reform the system, or pull up the backwaters.

They probably need to pull up the backwaters anything else will simply be seen as vote rigging in the other way and lead to even more hardcore alienation. We are seeing it to a lesser degree here where the rural parts which where solidly worker-left for most of time are now turning conservative or alt-right as they have been forgotten by politicans or at least feel that way.

You might be surprised how few people actually change their vote. The vast majority of people vote the same way they did last time around.

The idea of competing for a "middle" voter is not necessarily accurate. Modern political strategy often revolves more around trying to get the people who support you to come out and vote (/that the people who support the other candidate don't bother).

You also have things like demographic shifts, first time voters, and so on, so it's not only about mobilisation.

But the idea that the left needs to "win the centre" does not ring very true. It basically assumes left-leaning voters will still come out and vote rather than staying home.

Perceived centrist candidates like Clinton and Biden-Harris haven't exactly had a strong track record electorally. The right has clearly had more recent success trying to rally up the right-wing base instead of playing for the centre a la Romney or McCain. Clearly this election has been a disaster but it also goes to show just how badly you can govern before you get repudiated, and that's always likely to have some consequence (see also Liz Truss).

If you look at this result it's majorly driven by turnout.

This is not only the US either. If you look at the UK, where there is more party diversity, what you'll find is voters are largely switching within blocs -- say Labour to Greens or Reform to Conservative -- rather than between them.

I'd argue that the West is going to stay in an anti-establishment political zeitgeist for the foreseeable future, for genuine structural reasons. The middle in most places is adrift when it comes to really motivating a base and mostly seems to win gritted teeth "us or the far right" contests.

This isn't to say abandon rural voters or anything. But you probably won't win them by chasing the middle either.

[Chance]

Grief, on 04 November 2026 - 08:04 PM, said:

You might be surprised how few people actually change their vote. The vast majority of people vote the same way they did last time around.

The idea of competing for a "middle" voter is not necessarily accurate. Modern political strategy often revolves more around trying to get the people who support you to come out and vote (/that the people who support the other candidate don't bother).

You also have things like demographic shifts, first time voters, and so on, so it's not only about mobilisation.

But the idea that the left needs to "win the centre" does not ring very true. It basically assumes left-leaning voters will still come out and vote rather than staying home.

Perceived centrist candidates like Clinton and Biden-Harris haven't exactly had a strong track record electorally. The right has clearly had more recent success trying to rally up the right-wing base instead of playing for the centre a la Romney or McCain. Clearly this election has been a disaster but it also goes to show just how badly you can govern before you get repudiated, and that's always likely to have some consequence (see also Liz Truss).

If you look at this result it's majorly driven by turnout.

This is not only the US either. If you look at the UK, where there is more party diversity, what you'll find is voters are largely switching within blocs -- say Labour to Greens or Reform to Conservative -- rather than between them.

I'd argue that the West is going to stay in an anti-establishment political zeitgeist for the foreseeable future, for genuine structural reasons. The middle in most places is adrift when it comes to really motivating a base and mostly seems to win gritted teeth "us or the far right" contests.

This isn't to say abandon rural voters or anything. But you probably won't win them by chasing the middle either.

I agree with basically all of that but the problem with continuing down the current road is that the political attitudes on both extremes will become even more extreme tribalism than it actually already is, which eventually will end very badly. I'd probably argue that Trump was one such very badly and was very avoidable.

I'm lucky to live in a nation with mostly more reasonable politics (our Alt-Right is far left of the Republicans ) than either the UK or the USA but the second most important election to a Swede is usually the US elections...

This post has been edited by Chance: Today, 08:48 PM

[amphibian]

There's also the ability to give the ability to vote back to people who've served their time in prison instead of taking it away forever. That disproportionately affects minority communities and stops punishing people who've done their stretch. I can add putting in polling places in jails (not prisons) as the people held there do have the right to vote still.

I also note that AOC has the same general instincts for what we do next in January. https://www.instagra...158548233462569

The Medicaid things are going to savage states and the general idea was going to be that they would be a time bomb that the administration would try to pin on the Democrats. I'm not sure that will happen.

This post has been edited by amphibian: Today, 09:02 PM

[Lady Bliss]

Given that congress is in the lame duck session now, what would be their priorities for the short term? They need to do a budget badly and imo would have’nt have enough time else to related to Supreme Court etc. because they won’t want to go out on a government shutdown as the last we see of them.

[Cause]

QCongress opens tomorrow? It’s been on pause since September to make sure a vote of impeachment wouldn’t pass against Hegseth.

I don’t think the current congress, and not under the now resigned Johnson leadership could pass a budget or do anything in the 3 months they have left. There hasn’t been a budget in years, I don’t think they even care anymore.


I think it’s more a question of how many wars or executive orders can Trump do in the next 3 months before someone stops him.

[Lady Bliss]

I don’t think they will do anything that will bite them in the ass in the next election. They are probably not going to want to do anything too controversial and will want to be seen as congressmen that can work across the aisle so they can claim democrats aren’t willing to do so for the next 2 years.

[Lady Bliss]

Also the forum seems to be slowing down with worldwide excitement over the wins today.