[the broken]

So that means you're going to DM BK and apologise for taking out your frustrations with the general media landscape on a random man that has nothing to do with it, then?

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Trump on Truth Social:

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He has been fixating, again, on what he sees as vulnerabilities along Canada's northern border that could be exploited by U.S. adversaries, two U.S. officials, a senior administration official, and three former senior U.S. officials told NBC News.

Trump Sets Sights on Bigger Takeover Target in Taunting Post

... fixating on them as rationalizations...

Trump on why he wants Greenland, from an interview in 2021:

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"You take a look at a map. I'm a real estate developer. I look at a corner, I say, 'I've got to get that store for the building that I'm building,' etc. It's not that different.

He added: "I love maps. And I always said: 'Look at the size of this. It's massive. That should be part of the United States.'"

Cosmetics Billionaire Convinced Trump That the U.S. Should Buy Greenland - The New York Times

Of course he's almost certainly being partly influenced by the Mercator projection, even though I'm sure his aides have explained it to him...

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[QuickTidal]

This kind of shit is why I come down so hard in this thread these days....this kind of shit from ANY other world leader would be seen as completely unhinged behaviour...but we accept it from Trump because why?

EDIT: And if this even gets tried, we will make the VietCong look like the Teletubbies...we look like you, we act like you, we consume the same media as you...and we have the longest undefended border in the world and a MONSTROUS amount of space much of it tundra and wilderness that we've all learned to live in...want to bankrupt yourselves trying to hold us while the worst insurgency the world has ever seen keeps sending your MAGA-soldiers back to you until you leave us alone....go for it. There is no world in which the US annexes Canada easily or at all...a military strike or invasion? Sure...but occupation? LOL, not a chance.

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the broken, on 20 January 2026 - 10:40 AM, said:

So that means you're going to DM BK and apologise for taking out your frustrations with the general media landscape on a random man that has nothing to do with it, then?

Actually on my to do list for this evening.
Qll joking aside.

BK took a call from me and talked when I was dealing with other stuff and yes my tone was overly aggressive to him. I should have asked questions instead of pillorising him

[QuickTidal]

I think my issue with this thread is that we know BK voted for Trump the first time, which was forgivable, but we don't know if he did a second time (where it's much less forgivable since you can't pretend you don't know who he is by that point), which would change the dynamics completely of the discussion in the discussion threads...because he's never told us one way or the other as I recall.

If I don't know if you supported Jan 6 and Epstein files and 34 Felony convictions by voting for that man...then how are we meant to discuss American politics with a noted Republican (who restated that he is indeed a Republican in his most recent post) from any kind of honest angle? We kind of end up playing "well you must have" and going from there.

Because a 2024 vote for Trump is VASTLY different than a 2016 vote for Trump. That's not nothing. And it would be interesting to learn from him why he might have done that, and why he feels that Trump was the better option...and if he gives Right wing talking point platitudes that could be safely and factually debunked, we should do that.

Like he once referred to Bernie Sanders (One of the USA's most left politicians; but would be considered Center Right in any other western country) as "Comrade" unironically. The conflation of "communism" by the right wing media sphere with "anything left of hard right" is a piece of propaganda that can easily be debunked, but when I asked why he called him that, he didn't reply. So getting a bead on his political bend in 2026 is difficult.

I have for the most part gotten along with BK over the years, and consider him a decent dude all told, before my life got too busy I gamed with him a time or two and he was kind as could be and funny too...so I think many people are trying to reconcile that with the fact that he may likely have voted Trump in '24 and thus supports and endorses the things he did or were found out between his terms...and personally I've always chalked that up to the propaganda the right wing media feeds him in his State, so it's hard for him to see outside that media bubble like we can. And he's been absent for a lot of time the last few years, but you can always kind of tell when he might show up and talk about "Trans people in Bud commercials", or "won't people be nicer about Charlie Kirk" because those are very much the things that get railed about in that very right wing media as talking points, even though they are deeply social war stuff meant to keep the people down and arguing and not noticing the ruling class has them locked up with Bread in the Circus, which speaks to how hard that media hammers these points, and how difficult it must be to step out of that miasma as a voter in a red state.

I want more than anything to have fruitful conversations with him, even if his viewpoints may confuddle me on many topics...so I perhaps have come down hard in a few instances (I can be a real dick sometimes, I acknowledge this)...but that most recently is coloured by his presidents threats to annex my country. I'd love to understand where he's coming from in a fuller way, and if there is anything I feel like could expand or rebut talking points that the US propaganda machine feeds him, all the better.

My two cents.

[Lady Bliss]

I think as long as we all keep from calling each other idiots we are ok to discuss freely. We’re all friends here and this isn’t mafia. Frankly I’m surprised this thread has never devolved into telling each other to go eat a bag of dicks yet. We are all friends and that’s just my two cents worth. I think all in all we keep it professional.

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[QuickTidal]

If the US invades Greenland, it will be the end of NATO, and the end of the US dollar as the worlds reserve currency. No one will buy and subsidize their military equipment and their (already outdated) military will become unsustainable. The US bond market would experience a price collapse and yield surge as foreign countries dump US treasuries. The US government would face much higher borrowing costs and risk debt default. Retail interest rates will soar to levels never seen before. The dollar would collapse which would make foreign products too prohibit to buy even if you pulled Trump's tantrum tariffs. And finally, say goodbye to your Social Security and your Medicare, forever. This will play out over one to two decades, but it would happen and it would be permanent.

They will become even more a country of have's and have nots. And the rich won't care. The rich in the US are already independent of the swings in the US economy. Their fortunes literally and figuratively are no longer tied to the average citizen. And Europe won't care. And Asia won't care. And Canada won't care. And all the "third world" countries won't care. Why should they? The USA doesn't give a shit anymore about anything or anyone beyond their selfish interests as an entity. Their former allies and trade partners will all experience the purest form of schadenfreude as the US collapses inward. Because of US greed, their shallow nationalism and their native bigotry. They will deserve what's coming because they are a nation of narcissists, gluttons, bigots and myopes.

Hard cheese, but I don't think enough MAGAts or regular American citizens really truly realize what invading Greenland would signify...I hope it's worth the complete inward collapse of your country for the whims of a demented madman.

Sidenote: The only time Article 5 of NATO has been called, was after 9/11, when Canada and the rest of the NATO allies came to help, to defend, and to support the USA in their most drastic time of need...so the way the rest of the world is being treated now...yeah, we're not about it. We came for you all when you needed us, and 25 years later and you've abandoned us (again, as an entity, not as individuals obvs) while your petulant President runs roughshod over 80 years of alliance, over petty bullshit.

[the broken]

In the Ukraine thread, a country actually has been invaded, a real war, not an imaginary one that might happen in the future, where thousands of people are dead, and in THAT thread, people are more measured. That's no excuse.

And taking offence because someone MIGHT have voted a way you don't like (you're not even sure!) and holding them responsible for policy of that government, including ones they've said they disagree with? Come on.

[Primateus]

the broken, on 20 January 2026 - 06:55 PM, said:

In the Ukraine thread, a country actually has been invaded, a real war, not an imaginary one that might happen in the future, where thousands of people are dead, and in THAT thread, people are more measured. That's no excuse.

And taking offence because someone MIGHT have voted a way you don't like (you're not even sure!) and holding them responsible for policy of that government, including ones they've said they disagree with? Come on.

I think the difference is that the Russia-Ukraine war is a war between a hostile actor and a semi-friend.

The current situation between the US and my country, Denmark and Greenland, is a potential betrayal of a steadfast ally of the United States, and what it is an obviously disingeneous reason.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

From Navy War College professor emeritus Tom Nichols:

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The Military Is Being Forced to Plan for an Unthinkable Betrayal

Some military officers will shrug at Trump's ravings and say that orders are orders, and that yesterday's friends are today's enemies. Every defense organization has people in it, uniformed and civilian, who are morally hollow and see only figures on a map that must be targeted for elimination. But most Americans, and the members of the military that serves them, are decent people. They know that attacking your friends is evil and mad. I am certain that the men and women of the armed forces will be conflicted and disturbed as they try to turn Trump's unhinged obsessions into a coherent military plan.

In the end, however, if senior officers—starting with the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the heads of each service—follow Trump down this dark road, the officers and enlisted people below them will likely obey the chain of command. Such an outcome would be a tragedy, and potentially a global catastrophe.

It is not up to the armed forces to put a stop to Trump's ghastly ideas.

https://www.theatlan...eenland/685677/

But fortunately I don't think Putin has many officers to spare... though North Korea might. (Kidding---I hope... I'd imagine NK's military isn't comparable enough for that to be worthwhile. Plus I'd imagine that MAGA is too bigoted.)

It's been pointed out that, if the new "spheres of influence" limit the United States to the Americas and grant Russia Europe and China Asia... that might seem like a "bad deal" for the United States. But I suspect that MAGA plans (over the long-term) to give Russia dominion over Eastern and Central Europe and parts of Asia while splitting Western Europe between MAGA and Russia, with any occupation being primarily via automated surveillance and drone enforcers, and more of a focus on forced tribute (including taxation), resource extraction, and in most cases largely nominal ownership, with the main focus of surveillance being the crushing of any military resistance and trying to stop people from evading their tribute payments / tax evasion and from hiding or redirecting resources designated for their subjugator(s). China's sphere of influence or imperial control would encompass most of Asia and Africa.

Trump and a significant portion of MAGA don't want to stop with the Sudetenland Moravia Bohemia Venezuela Greenland... at least enough significant MAGA figures to continue Trump's "legacy" in a post-democratic United States.

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Primateus, on 20 January 2026 - 08:11 PM, said:

the broken, on 20 January 2026 - 06:55 PM, said:

In the Ukraine thread, a country actually has been invaded, a real war, not an imaginary one that might happen in the future, where thousands of people are dead, and in THAT thread, people are more measured. That's no excuse.

And taking offence because someone MIGHT have voted a way you don't like (you're not even sure!) and holding them responsible for policy of that government, including ones they've said they disagree with? Come on.

I think the difference is that the Russia-Ukraine war is a war between a hostile actor and a semi-friend.

The current situation between the US and my country, Denmark and Greenland, is a potential betrayal of a steadfast ally of the United States, and what it is an obviously disingeneous reason.

We're feeling this in the UK as well, although obviously to a much lesser degree. That 'special relationship' has been shown as being utterly worthless when one fuckass nazi can take power in the US and shit all over everyone and everything on the international stage.

And yeah, I'll be calling him that because he has literal gestapo on the streets disappearing and spot executing people.

The only good I can see coming from this is that the UK might seek to re-integrate with Europe, although the Reform Ltd brainrot is strong in the right wing here so I am pessimistic that it'd happen without the gammons kicking off.