[QuickTidal]

Azath Vitr (D, on 07 January 2025 - 09:29 PM, said:

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Speaking to reporters at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida, Trump would not rule out using military force to seize control of the Panama Canal and Greenland, citing national security interests.

[...] He also threatened to impose high tariffs on Denmark, while predicting the people of Greenland would welcome his plan.

Takeaways from Trump's Mar-a-Lago press conference

... and there it is. My Trump Whisperer score just went back up! Hooray!

... but as I posted about in the Canadian Politics thread he did also "rule out" (wink, wink?) using military force to annex Canada, saying he wants to use economic force to do it instead (not kidding for once... or to be more precise, I'm not kidding about him not kidding).

He's not going to do any of this. Again, these things would be declaring war on his ALLIES. I don't care how crazy he is, he's not going to openly lead America into war with its neighbours and allies and no one will follow him to do it.


I feel like I'm taking crazy pills....like countries like Denmark and Canada are just going to roll over and let him? This would be a WWIII scenario...and no one will follow him into it.

Stop talking about it. You're literally falling into the distraction trap he wants you to...FFS he said they were renaming the Gulf of Mexico into the Gulf of America. He's doing what he's always done, say the MOST unhinged and batshit insane things to distract from the stuff he will actually do. He's setting an "anchor"...it's a negotiation tactic....and it's working on people because he caused JT to respond to him....which means they are paying attention...which is what he wants....so that when he comes to the the table with stuff that is still unpalatable but much less so than this bombastic shit, it will seem tame and more acceptable.

The media needs to stop giving shit like this air...

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[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

QuickTidal, on 08 January 2025 - 12:49 PM, said:

He's not going to do any of this. Again, these things would be declaring war on his ALLIES. I don't care how crazy he is, he's not going to openly lead America into war with its neighbours and allies and no one will follow him to do it.


I feel like I'm taking crazy pills....like countries like Denmark and Canada are just going to roll over and let him? This would be a WWIII scenario...and no one will follow him into it.

But won't they be much better allies after Trump conquers them?

Putin would follow him. Or maybe it's more the other way around...

Try to put yourself into the mindset of a sociopath. If the US is allying with Putin and other authoritarians, then in the long term, annexing Canada, Greenland, and taking control of the Panama Canal make sense as goals. Trump can get enough people to follow him (and whatever ridiculous justifications he comes up with---Great Conman Theory of History?...).

Trump's probably at least a year or two away from purging the military, realizing his authoritarian ambitions, and preparing enough of his followers---at least in the military---for wars of aggression. Hopefully there's still only a very low probability of it happening, but it's best not to treat it as trivial. He's laying the groundwork already. If we need Greenland on "national security" grounds, why exclude Canada? China and Isis could be massing forces on the Canadian border! Gotta restore order. And export plenty of Jesus.

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[Mentalist]

Azath Vitr (D, on 08 January 2025 - 04:24 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 08 January 2025 - 12:49 PM, said:

He's not going to do any of this. Again, these things would be declaring war on his ALLIES. I don't care how crazy he is, he's not going to openly lead America into war with its neighbours and allies and no one will follow him to do it.


I feel like I'm taking crazy pills....like countries like Denmark and Canada are just going to roll over and let him? This would be a WWIII scenario...and no one will follow him into it.

But won't they be much better allies after Trump conquers them?

Putin would follow him. Or maybe it's more the other way around...

Try to put yourself into the mindset of a sociopath. If the US is allying with Putin and other authoritarians, then in the long term, annexing Canada, Greenland, and taking control of the Panama Canal make sense as goals. Trump can get enough people to follow him (and whatever ridiculous justifications he comes up with---Great Conman Theory of History?...).

Trump's probably at least a year or two away from purging the military, realizing his authoritarian ambitions, and preparing enough of his followers---at least in the military---for wars of aggression. Hopefully there's still only a very low probability of it happening, but it's best not to treat it as trivial. He's laying the groundwork already. If we need Greenland on "national security" grounds, why exclude Canada? China and Isis could be massing forces on the Canadian border! Gotta restore order. And export plenty of Jesus.

Just how much of an ally will Putler be is still questionable. We are yet to see whether there'll be any compromising that makes Trump look like a good peacemaker, or if he'll publically embarass him.