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#13321 User is offline   Azath Vitr (D'ivers 

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 05:33 AM

View PostMalankazooie, on 20 January 2021 - 03:05 AM, said:

Also, does anyone else find it ominous that we are talking about Biden's inauguration and this thread's page is on 666?


Another ominous coincidence: I'll find out today (Wednesday since it's after midnight now) whether my elderly cat is (almost certainly) terminally ill.

'Huddled for a lengthy meeting with his legal advisers, Trump was warned the pardons he once hoped to bestow upon his family and even himself would place him in a legally perilous position, convey the appearance of guilt and potentially make him more vulnerable to reprisals.

So, too, was Trump warned that pardons for Republican lawmakers who had sought them for their role in the Capitol insurrection would anger the very Senate Republicans who will determine his fate in an upcoming impeachment trial.

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Trump continued to bring the matter up in the ensuing days, even after officials believed the issue was resolved. But the sobering meeting on Saturday evening at the White House seemed to put the idea to rest.

While Trump often discards advice he doesn't agree with -- particularly coming from Cipollone, with whom he has a fractured relationship -- the message Saturday resonated. The conversation spooked Trump in a way few others have[...]

Trump could still change his mind, and retains his sweeping clemency powers until noon on Wednesday. The President continues to bring up pardons that aides once thought were off the table, including for former strategist Steve Bannon, leading to general uncertainty about whether Trump will continue adhering to his lawyers' advice.


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There is a frantic scramble happening behind the scenes on whether to grant Bannon a pardon. One concern is Bannon's possible connection to the January 6 riot of Trump supporters at the US Capitol, according to a source familiar with the discussions.

Trump has continued to go back and forth on Bannon's pardon into Tuesday night[...]

Trump is less worried about being barred from running from office again, and more concerned with the optics of being convicted by the Senate, people familiar with the matter said.'

https://www.cnn.com/...ning/index.html

'But the fact that seems to be troubling [Trump] most at this chaotic moment in time? That President-elect Joe Biden's team has managed to persuade a bunch of A-listers to perform at his inauguration on Wednesday. According to The Washington Post, Trump is "particularly upset" [they ...] have agreed to take part in the celebrations tomorrow, because celebrities shunned his inauguration four years ago. Trump is said to be spending his last days in office frothing about being treated unfairly by almost everyone'

https://www.thedaily...report?ref=home

'Trump Insists "the Movement" Is "Just Beginning" in Bizarre Video Farewell to Presidency

"We built the greatest political movement in the history of this country," he said in classic Trump hyperbole. "The movement we started is only just beginning...We achieved more than anyone thought possible." [...] "We did what we came here to do and so much more," he said of his administration's efforts to "make America great again,"'

https://www.thedaily...idency?ref=home

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'Trump has decided to pardon his former chief strategist Steve Bannon, in a last-minute decision made only hours before he is scheduled to depart the White House for a final time.

Officials cautioned CNN that Trump's decision was not final until he signed the paperwork.'

https://www.cnn.com/...rump/index.html

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 06:16 AM

I was waiting to see who was included in the pardons. Hopefully there are state charges against Bannon.
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 08:09 AM

There has to be some kind of check on the presidential pardon.
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 01:02 PM

I'm watching live coverage of the inauguration and I feel like a kid at Christmas.

It's incredibly boring footage filled with filler commentary but boy am I excited For the patriots to storm the ceremony and take back their country!

Do you think Trump will brag that there were more people at his inauguration?

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 01:16 PM

I'm looking at that Helicopter on the White House lawn and getting all teary eyed at the thought that we'll (hopefully) never have to watch another terrible press event in front of a helicopter drowning out all the sound.
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 01:16 PM

Of course he will.
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 01:31 PM

Man, I'm switching between CBS and NBCs youtube livecoverage and everyone is just dunking on Trump. There's not a single positive story being told, not a single achievement being lauded. It's like a eulogy for the drunk uncle who nobody liked.

"Oh but what about the Economy, Rachel? Yeah, he inherited that economy from Obama and it was the only good thing he had going for him so he refused to address the Corona-virus because he was more worried about the economy than the people." Ooph.

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 01:43 PM

There's like 50 people attending Trump's airport boo hoo event, besides family, staff and press. Ha!

They're doing these tight shots at the stage so that you can't see that there's three rows of people.

Also they played YMCA to play him off the stages. Fucking YMCA. That's the tone they wanted to set.

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 01:58 PM

Even just the memorial event with Biden and Co. last night to honour the 400k+ dead from COVID was moving as fuck...you forget what normalcy and empathy from a leader looks like when it's gone for 84 4 years...so when it shows up in even the smallest way, you get emotional.

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 04:05 PM

Does Trump still have the "nuclear football" ?
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 04:09 PM

I heard earlier that they've created two sets of nuclear code. Trump's get deactivated when Biden is sworn in.
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 04:47 PM

View PostAptorian, on 20 January 2021 - 01:02 PM, said:

I'm watching live coverage of the inauguration and I feel like a kid at Christmas.

It's incredibly boring footage filled with filler commentary but boy am I excited For the patriots to storm the ceremony and take back their country!

Do you think Trump will brag that there were more people at his inauguration?


I'm off work and on childcare duty this afternoon and I was thinking I could watch it as it won't have particularly unsuitable content even though I try to avoid him hearing stuff about covid deaths. But then I thought "What if Biden gets JFK'ed?" And decided against!

I cannot wait for some normalcy. And for UK politicians to have to copy it or look even more outrageous. I just hope events allow any normalcy to last.
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 05:03 PM

View PostMalankazooie, on 20 January 2021 - 04:05 PM, said:

Does Trump still have the "nuclear football" ?


Yip, his acting like a shit has created a logistical nightmare. At the moment there are two footballs. One with Biden and one with trump. The puck (card with codes) that trump has on his person with the codes to launch a strike are valid till noon. Afterwards the puck codes on Bidenís person will be active.

I mean I donít entertain for a second that a nuclear strike is a real possibility but if it were Iíd launch at noon preciseness. The confusion would be amazing.

Still I think this is an unprecedented situation in the history of the football
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 05:06 PM

And that's the ballgame.

Trump is now a private citizen.

Here's hoping NY has armed police awaiting him in Florida when he lands to take him into custody for that states crimes.
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 05:18 PM

Congrats Americans, sanity has returned to your great nation.
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 05:55 PM

View PostGorefest, on 20 January 2021 - 05:18 PM, said:

Congrats Americans, sanity has returned to your great nation.

Long, long way to go before we can say that.

There's a lot to do beyond a replacement of the presidential administration. We're going to see whether the legislative and presidential order agenda gets watered down to nearly nothing (already seeing signs of that happening).
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 05:56 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 20 January 2021 - 05:06 PM, said:

And that's the ballgame.

Trump is now a private citizen.

Here's hoping NY has armed police awaiting him in Florida when he lands to take him into custody for that states crimes.

This will not happen.
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 05:59 PM

Any news of any unrest elsewhere across the States? They were talking of uprisings in all 50 states so I'm surprised there's absolutely nothing.
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 06:19 PM

View Postamphibian, on 20 January 2021 - 05:56 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 20 January 2021 - 05:06 PM, said:

And that's the ballgame.

Trump is now a private citizen.

Here's hoping NY has armed police awaiting him in Florida when he lands to take him into custody for that states crimes.

This will not happen.


What that he won't be arrested, or it won't happen today?
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 06:26 PM

Politically it would be a very bad move to move on Trump right after he leaves office. It would create massive civil unrest. Serve him papers, call him in for a talk, sure. But they've got time.
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