[Rashan]

Osseric, are you arguing that cult ISN'T more dangerous than scum? Because it always, always is (unless it's dead).

[Kalse]

*insert Garden Gnome's "the cult always wins" here*

[Fener]

Hey guys, I know we got off on the wrong foot and all, but if there's a cult, shouldn't we work together to eradicate that first?

Let's pool info.

[Tennes]

 Fener, on 09 February 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

Hey guys, I know we got off on the wrong foot and all, but if there's a cult, shouldn't we work together to eradicate that first?

Let's pool info.

Sure, you first?

[Fener]

Well, I've been giving out info all game, but none of you have been listening.

[Tennes]

 Fener, on 09 February 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

Well, I've been giving out info all game, but none of you have been listening.

Considering you blinded me and write all that info you're giving out, I consider myself excused. My balls are mighty, but they're bad at reading.

[Path-Shaper]

I have provided Mott with a lynch scene while provided complete victory conditions for each faction.

[Tennes]

Wait a second...

Remove vote
Vote Fener

OK, let's assume Fener didn't start out with 3 recruits, but with 1 (Mott), and has a recruit (perhaps limited to twice per game, or to a total of 3 players at the same time, tops)?
Kill coming before recruit and the kill being from a townie, that would mean we can lynch him now.

The one odd thing in that scenario would be the cultist trait, really, but that would account for a finder-killer in Ruse, and an unlimited vig, I guess?

I'm willing to test this theory. Because if it is wrong, it doesn't matter much from where I stand, anyway

[Kalse]

Cult: Kill the Tyrant and achieve a majority over the remaining Town
Town: Kill the Tyrant, Cult leader and achieve a majority over the remaining Cult
Scum: Remains the same.





so now what?

[Kalse]

there goes that theory, Tennes

PS, you may want to add the VC to the OP, it's easier to find than Mott's lynch scene.

[Tennes]

 Tennes, on 09 February 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

Wait a second...

Remove vote
Vote Fener

OK, let's assume Fener didn't start out with 3 recruits, but with 1 (Mott), and has a recruit (perhaps limited to twice per game, or to a total of 3 players at the same time, tops)?
Kill coming before recruit and the kill being from a townie, that would mean we can lynch him now.

The one odd thing in that scenario would be the cultist trait, really, but that would account for a finder-killer in Ruse, and an unlimited vig, I guess?

I'm willing to test this theory. Because if it is wrong, it doesn't matter much from where I stand, anyway

Cross-post with P-S.

Og well.

Remove vote
Vote Ruse


Back to my earlier case.

[Fener]

Motherf.....there is a cult!

[Fener]

 Tennes, on 09 February 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

Wait a second...

Remove vote
Vote Fener

OK, let's assume Fener didn't start out with 3 recruits, but with 1 (Mott), and has a recruit (perhaps limited to twice per game, or to a total of 3 players at the same time, tops)?
Kill coming before recruit and the kill being from a townie, that would mean we can lynch him now.

The one odd thing in that scenario would be the cultist trait, really, but that would account for a finder-killer in Ruse, and an unlimited vig, I guess?

I'm willing to test this theory. Because if it is wrong, it doesn't matter much from where I stand, anyway

What the shit are you on about you weirdo?

[Kalse]

so, best breakdown by now:

scum 3
cult 1
town 6

[Fener]

Motherfucking cult tried to take my motherfucking shield!


WHO RULES HERE?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fener]

You son of a bitch Ruse.

[Rashan]

 Path-Shaper, on 09 February 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 0 hours 0 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: anthras, barghast, eloth, fener, hood's path, kalse, korbas, olar ethil, osseric, rashan, ruse, sorrit, tennes

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote eloth ( sorrit )
3 votes ruse ( tennes, barghast, rashan )
7 votes olar ethil ( hood's path, eloth, osseric, anthras, kalse, fener, ruse )

Players not voted: korbas, olar ethil

Did you see that schmuck?

Yes I did. What a great big shmuck he is too?

Hey I'm no schmuck!

Hey!!! He's right. You aren't a schmuck. Let's lynch him!!!

Watching the dialog play out and the ensuing mobbing of the individual you are wondering how such a thing could lead to such a fortunate outcome.

After the shield of the tyrant has stopped moving and the townsfolk has grown tired of mutilating his dead corpse the looting began. The clothes, boots and purse were the first to go. The bag he carried was dumped and rifled through and all the coins and other items of perceived value were taken leaving papers and trash laying in the street.

Someone picked them up and shouted.

Hey. This guy was not only a shield. He looked like he was part of some group looking to overthrow the tyrant as well.

olar ethil is lynched he was Mott, Shield of the Tyrant, Cultist

Victory conditions

Cult: Kill the Tyrant and achieve a majority over the remaining Town
Town: Kill the Tyrant, Cult leader and achieve a majority over the remaining Cult
Scum: Remains the same.

Well there's our confirmation that cult is a separate faction.

But the bad news is: "Scum: Remains the same" = kill the Town

so now we have to wipe out the town AND get the cult leader, but scum still can ignore the cult to kill town while benefitting from cult reducing town numbers...

and all this is based on the idea that cult still exists, which I think with the VCs stated is pretty certain.

[Kalse]

best case scenario, cult started with only the recruiter.
this si possible, though unlikely, since history shows time and again, when there's a one-man faction that has to win by recruiting, the poor player is often picked on Day 1.
if Twelve built in any safeguards against that, there would be two starting cultists.

so, wcs, it's
Scum 3
Cult 2
Town 5

[Rashan]

 Kalse, on 09 February 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

best case scenario, cult started with only the recruiter.
this si possible, though unlikely, since history shows time and again, when there's a one-man faction that has to win by recruiting, the poor player is often picked on Day 1.
if Twelve built in any safeguards against that, there would be two starting cultists.

so, wcs, it's
Scum 3
Cult 2
Town 5

Well, WCS with only the current known factions. If there's a hidden cult in the game there could easily be a hidden serial killer (and voila your 2nd NK).

[Sorrit]

 Kalse, on 09 February 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

best case scenario, cult started with only the recruiter.
this si possible, though unlikely, since history shows time and again, when there's a one-man faction that has to win by recruiting, the poor player is often picked on Day 1.
if Twelve built in any safeguards against that, there would be two starting cultists.

so, wcs, it's
Scum 3
Cult 2
Town 5

I don't think you can balance a game assuming your big roles will die early. So it's probably at worse 1 Cult.


And if it is Ruse, I don't think we need to vote him. If he's a threat to Fener & Cie, he can take care of him himself

vote Anthras

for probably being a shield.