[Sorrit]

Rashan, on 09 February 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

Kalse, on 09 February 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

best case scenario, cult started with only the recruiter.
this si possible, though unlikely, since history shows time and again, when there's a one-man faction that has to win by recruiting, the poor player is often picked on Day 1.
if Twelve built in any safeguards against that, there would be two starting cultists.

so, wcs, it's
Scum 3
Cult 2
Town 5

Well, WCS with only the current known factions. If there's a hidden cult in the game there could easily be a hidden serial killer (and voila your 2nd NK).

We're a nice little Hamlet aren't we?

[Tennes]

Remove vote
Vote Anthras

Willing to roll with Sorrit on this.

[Kalse]

Tennes, on 09 February 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

Remove vote
Vote Anthras

Willing to roll with Sorrit on this.

1) we rolled with Sorritt on Silanah, too
2) it's actually Ruse's case, and isn't he your no 1 enemy?

[Rashan]

I'm going to re-read the Anthras case but it did seem like a pretty solid catch.

[Rashan]

Kalse, on 09 February 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 February 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

Remove vote
Vote Anthras

Willing to roll with Sorrit on this.

1) we rolled with Sorritt on Silanah, too
2) it's actually Ruse's case, and isn't he your no 1 enemy?

Lovers!

[Fener]

Rashan, on 09 February 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 February 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 0 hours 0 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: anthras, barghast, eloth, fener, hood's path, kalse, korbas, olar ethil, osseric, rashan, ruse, sorrit, tennes

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote eloth ( sorrit )
3 votes ruse ( tennes, barghast, rashan )
7 votes olar ethil ( hood's path, eloth, osseric, anthras, kalse, fener, ruse )

Players not voted: korbas, olar ethil

Did you see that schmuck?

Yes I did. What a great big shmuck he is too?

Hey I'm no schmuck!

Hey!!! He's right. You aren't a schmuck. Let's lynch him!!!

Watching the dialog play out and the ensuing mobbing of the individual you are wondering how such a thing could lead to such a fortunate outcome.

After the shield of the tyrant has stopped moving and the townsfolk has grown tired of mutilating his dead corpse the looting began. The clothes, boots and purse were the first to go. The bag he carried was dumped and rifled through and all the coins and other items of perceived value were taken leaving papers and trash laying in the street.

Someone picked them up and shouted.

Hey. This guy was not only a shield. He looked like he was part of some group looking to overthrow the tyrant as well.

olar ethil is lynched he was Mott, Shield of the Tyrant, Cultist

Victory conditions

Cult: Kill the Tyrant and achieve a majority over the remaining Town
Town: Kill the Tyrant, Cult leader and achieve a majority over the remaining Cult
Scum: Remains the same.

Well there's our confirmation that cult is a separate faction.

But the bad news is: "Scum: Remains the same" = kill the Town

so now we have to wipe out the town AND get the cult leader, but scum still can ignore the cult to kill town while benefitting from cult reducing town numbers...

and all this is based on the idea that cult still exists, which I think with the VCs stated is pretty certain.

Are you high?! Now I've got two factions chasing me!

[Kalse]

Rashan, on 09 February 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

Kalse, on 09 February 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 February 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

Remove vote
Vote Anthras

Willing to roll with Sorrit on this.

1) we rolled with Sorritt on Silanah, too
2) it's actually Ruse's case, and isn't he your no 1 enemy?

Lovers!

who: the two S Dragons?

[Kalse]

shit, break's over.
abck in a few hours.

[Fener]

Are you people serious? You pretty much know who the cult leader is (notice how Ruse has gone all quiet by the way), and you're just going to let him go?!

[Kalse]

oh, and my question made no sense. Sil is dead,

you're saying those 2 are lovers?

[Kalse]

Fener, on 09 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Are you people serious? You pretty much know who the cult leader is (notice how Ruse has gone all quiet by the way), and you're just going to let him go?!

known quantity = not dangerous.

see you as an example.

[Tennes]

Fener, on 09 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Are you people serious? You pretty much know who the cult leader is (notice how Ruse has gone all quiet by the way), and you're just going to let him go?!

You can kill him, can't you?

[Tennes]

Fener, on 09 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Are you people serious? You pretty much know who the cult leader is (notice how Ruse has gone all quiet by the way), and you're just going to let him go?!

You can kill him, can't you?

[Rashan]

Nah I meant you two cause of the "rolling together"

[Tennes]

Rashan, on 09 February 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

Nah I meant you two cause of the "rolling together"

Figure of speech. But I'm on top!

[Fener]

Tennes, on 09 February 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

Fener, on 09 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Are you people serious? You pretty much know who the cult leader is (notice how Ruse has gone all quiet by the way), and you're just going to let him go?!

You can kill him, can't you?

And what if I can't? What if he has some protection against me (and why woulnd't he?) and he goes and recruits another of you. Seriously? After all the time you've spect playing *against* me, you're now asking me to do something *for* you. Let's just lynch the cocksucking, shield-stealing bastard.

He's lied to you more than I have! At least I've been upfront!

[Tennes]

Fener, on 09 February 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 February 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

Fener, on 09 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Are you people serious? You pretty much know who the cult leader is (notice how Ruse has gone all quiet by the way), and you're just going to let him go?!

You can kill him, can't you?

And what if I can't? What if he has some protection against me (and why woulnd't he?) and he goes and recruits another of you. Seriously? After all the time you've spect playing *against* me, you're now asking me to do something *for* you. Let's just lynch the cocksucking, shield-stealing bastard.

He's lied to you more than I have! At least I've been upfront!

We only need to lynch him, and the lynch is the time to get rid of a Shield - if he recruits a shield, we can also lynch you. With the amount of people still alive, 1 recruit to his side doesn't make the difference, but you killing a townie is going to reduce our numbers further.

[Ruse]

Yeah, you all have convinced me that my scenario seems overpowered. But all scenarios seem overpowered, so I'm not sure what to think.

Kalse, on 09 February 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

ok, regardless of the cult situation (which we won't figure out w/o more info)

I have HP and Rashan as PIs right now, due to their heavy involvement in the Olar trains.

Ruse is an unknown. I still think more likely inno.

only case we currently have is his case on Antras.
I've been getting an odd vibe off osseric, but can't put my finger on it.

on Anthras, I can't get a read aside from him being a pretty non-confrontational low-poster (which is repeating Ruse, i know)

any other thoughts?

I got the vibe from Osseric early on. But my action against him failed last night, so if you truly think that a scum guard is impossible, then he is inno. My action on Bargy turned out to have failed because he was inno, so it could well be that a guard isn't here. As I said before, I'm very confused right now, balance-wise.

Sorrit, on 09 February 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

So, Tennes, you are saying that Ruse is the cult recruiter?

With the vote piling up on him, he panicked and revealed a duper town role, because it was his only chance to survive the lynch, and since Fener knows he's not a shield, his only chance to survive the nights by attracting the potential healers (or at least the healer threat to avoid Fener picking him)?

Hmm. Not impossible. I didn't pick Ruse as a shield because his reveal was too lame (ironically).

But that may be.

I think of myself as a more effective finder, personally. I haven't been very effective so far, though.

Sorrit, on 09 February 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

There's also that second NK that bugs me.

3 shields + Fener vs 12 non-scum is already quite big. Add a cult that can recruit every night, scum or town, that's hard stuff. Add a second night kill, which until now happened each night and never killed a scum (got a cult, but a town one) that's just a massacre.

Agreed. Things aren't quite adding up.

Tennes, on 09 February 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 09 February 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

So, Tennes, you are saying that Ruse is the cult recruiter?

With the vote piling up on him, he panicked and revealed a duper town role, because it was his only chance to survive the lynch, and since Fener knows he's not a shield, his only chance to survive the nights by attracting the potential healers (or at least the healer threat to avoid Fener picking him)?

Hmm. Not impossible. I didn't pick Ruse as a shield because his reveal was too lame (ironically).

But that may be.

Him or HP (seeing how HP came up with the recruiter role being around), but HP was leading the charge away from Ruse so I figure him as Ruse's symp/ second in command.

So in this situation, when would I have been able to recruit OE? Or did your theorized cult start with 2 people? Actually 3, since Eloth CFed as Cultist as well.

Remember, OE was the day 2 lynch, and she was cult. Then Eloth was killed at night. So it doesn't add up.


And Jesus, well I don't feel particularly comfortable after the confirmation of a seperate. My role will not help against cultists, unless they happen to be a Shield as well.

Mr. Tyrant, I suggest you kill the cultists, because I can not. I promise I won't be mean to your Shields They will die painlessly.

So why are most people ignoring Anthras? I know you are very convinced that I am a baddy, Tennes, but why so quick to dismiss Anthras? Whoever brought him up was smart, he seems very likely.

[Tennes]

Ruse, on 09 February 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

So why are most people ignoring Anthras? I know you are very convinced that I am a baddy, Tennes, but why so quick to dismiss Anthras? Whoever brought him up was smart, he seems very likely.

Have you seen where my vote is?

[Ruse]

Man I had some major crosspostage. Responding to the stuff I missed.

Rashan, on 09 February 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

Kalse, on 09 February 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 February 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

Remove vote
Vote Anthras

Willing to roll with Sorrit on this.

1) we rolled with Sorritt on Silanah, too
2) it's actually Ruse's case, and isn't he your no 1 enemy?

Lovers!

If you're not joking, why would you point this out?

Fener, on 09 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Are you people serious? You pretty much know who the cult leader is (notice how Ruse has gone all quiet by the way), and you're just going to let him go?!

You're just mad because I have come to inact justice in the name of the king against your petty self.