[Fener]

Rashan, on 08 February 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

Osseric, on 08 February 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

Fener, on 06 February 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 February 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

So, pretty much a standard 15 player game, 3 scum vs 12 town. Normally I would start her with a Fener vote... but as that isn't possible, I am at a loss

Vote for me Osseric, I dare you.

I double-dare you.

Someone mentioned that Fener might get more kills if he is voted... looking back at this post by Fener... whoever said that might be correct.

I agree with whoever noted before that it would be a colossal dick move for Twelve to say he is giving us Fener's role PM and it not be the complete PM. So I don't think so.

Interesting theory there. The posted PM does certainly contain a lot of info. Interesting how all of it seems to be related to what I can directly do. It makes me wonder if there's anything missing from there which I can also do, or have done to me, if certain conditions over which I have no direct control are met.

Just wondering

[Tennes]

Osseric, on 08 February 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

In regards to Ruse, I don't buy that he is scum. Scum just don't draw attention to themselves the way that Ruse has done. It just never happens.

I am going to

remove vote

vote Hoods path

I think he is more likely to be scum as he is very self centered, scum do tend to overanalyze statements bade towards them, and he seems to be operating in his own little bubble.

As I already said, I could live with that and would be willing to switch but I'll have to decide in the next four hours as I won't be around at day time out.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 11 hours 45 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: anthras, barghast, eloth, fener, hood's path, kalse, korbas, olar ethil, osseric, rashan, ruse, sorrit, tennes

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote fener ( fener )
1 vote sorrit ( eloth )
1 vote rashan ( ruse )
1 vote eloth ( sorrit )
3 votes ruse ( tennes, barghast, rashan )
1 vote hood's path ( osseric )

Players not voted: anthras, hood's path, kalse, korbas, olar ethil

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 08 February 2012 - 06:01 PM

[Osseric]

Also, I don't see why Ruse can't reveal.

There is nothing in the rules in the OP that state reveals are forbidden. All we have is a rant by PS stating that we can't reference particular nomenclature in our PM's. This is understandable as it will break the game if RI's start quoting their role PM. (not only is this a bad strategy as it outs roled innos, but it really is against the spirit of the game.)

That being said, if Ruse's role is as pivotal and unique as he says, I can't imagine that there would be any disadvantage to the scum team, or to the spirit of the game if he is allowed to reveal. (obviously not a reading of his PM,but basically similar to how Shin allowed reveals in his game. A Paraphrase, if you will)

Thats just my thoughts, I think its stupid we are having this fight as the OP makes no mention of being unable to reveal, and PS's only mention was that we can't quote our role PM.

But I guess thats between Ruse and PS.

[Osseric]

Anyway, out for a bit. back in a couple hours.

[Olar Ethil]

Back and catching up, from what i've read so far as much as I was inclined to lean towards inno with Ruse I wish he'd stop thrashing about like a kid throwing a strop in a supermarket and just make a sensible case that would give us something to look at instead of him, being a self-proclaimed power role does not mean you don't have to bother with anything else.

I still don't think he is scum though but I agree he could become a problem if he doesn't pull his act together. Maybe when he comes back he will be slightly calmer.

[Rashan]

Osseric, on 08 February 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

Also, I don't see why Ruse can't reveal.

There is nothing in the rules in the OP that state reveals are forbidden. All we have is a rant by PS stating that we can't reference particular nomenclature in our PM's. This is understandable as it will break the game if RI's start quoting their role PM. (not only is this a bad strategy as it outs roled innos, but it really is against the spirit of the game.)

That being said, if Ruse's role is as pivotal and unique as he says, I can't imagine that there would be any disadvantage to the scum team, or to the spirit of the game if he is allowed to reveal. (obviously not a reading of his PM,but basically similar to how Shin allowed reveals in his game. A Paraphrase, if you will)

Thats just my thoughts, I think its stupid we are having this fight as the OP makes no mention of being unable to reveal, and PS's only mention was that we can't quote our role PM.

But I guess thats between Ruse and PS.

In most games I would agree, but this is Twelve's game so there is no guarantee of a complete listing of rules that are in force being posted. The OP didn't even say what kind of CF we get even though there doesn't seem to be any variation from the norm, so why disguise it.

For comparison, see Roldom's game where only 3 of the 4 factions were given VCs in the OP. That's about the right mindset you should be in.

[Olar Ethil]

Hood, on 08 February 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 08 February 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Hood, on 06 February 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Fener, on 06 February 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 February 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

So, pretty much a standard 15 player game, 3 scum vs 12 town. Normally I would start her with a Fener vote... but as that isn't possible, I am at a loss

Vote for me Osseric, I dare you.

I double-dare you.

Double bluff?

Just putting this thought out there cause I thought of it before, what if Fener is lynchable today? Rather than vote night as someone suggested what if we voted Fener off and it worked? If it did then it is better than voting night, and today is a better day than any to attempt such a thing.

If not, then we have a 1 in 4 shot of lynching one of his body guards randomly. I am unsure what we should be looking for on day one though, I am open to suggestions. Someone trying to lay low? Someone agreeable with Fener? Looking for possible signals?

Like I said, i'll have plenty of time later on tonight to attribute my thoughts on the matter and bounce some ideas of people but right now I have to work like a madman

Hood's Path also suggested early on that instead of voting night like Kalse had suggested as a possible move that we should vote Fener on the off chance that a day 1 lynch would work, which seemed off, also Silanah before being lynched had made a case against him. I'd need to read up on his comments later on though but there could be something there.

Well I looked at you yesterday and now you make an OMGUS case. I would never have voted night, but if people took up that suggestion then my idea would have been better. If you vote night then you do not get a chance at a lynch. There have been games in the past with weird mechanics. Yes it is in black and white in the OP but doesn't mean to say there isn't a hidden mechanic. I remember one game, if we voted pathshaper off we would have benefitted greatly, yet who votes PS? It was a thought I wanted kicking around and played with, rather than acted upon.

Sorry catching up, but this caught my eye, Olar looked quite scummy to me day one and I voted for him so now this looks to me like him being petty.

Hardly, if I was going to just be petty or make an OMGUS case why have I not made a case on Rashan who was the first to vote for me? Or on anyone else that agreed with him? The main reason is that i'm not getting a scum vibe from them but I am from you. Yesterday you reacted yourself with an OMGUS vote after Tennes voted for you, Silanah made what I thought was a good case on you and pointed out her suspicions and I mentioned this yesterday as well.

Your posts today and your angrily reacting to criticism from me does nothing to dissuade me from my original feeling of you being scum.

I don't think it is sensible. either, to base strategy on possibly hidden mechanics that have pretty much no basis aside from the possibility that something weird happened in a past game. I'm not saying there will be no twists or unexpected mechanics, because as Fener reminded us, this is a TDMI 5 so we can't discount the possibility entirely but it seems silly to waste a lynch that is most likely going to have no effect rather than trying to lynch scum and if something does happen I can't see it being...'surprise you could have lynched Fener all along despite it saying otherwise in the OP!'.

Silanah, on 07 February 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

Hood, on 06 February 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

It's been a hectic morning so far and it looks like the day is only going to get busier, i'll post more tonight but only have a small window in which I can post right now. That being said are we just going to ignore everything Fener says for now, I don't think we will have the same amount of time for fucking around as usual, as scum already has an unlynchable spamming symp so we don't need more spamming shit on day one. Sorry if I sound like a dick but i'm worried that we have four scum members to lynch, yes its a little advantage knowing one, that d day could approach us within a couple of days if we don't get serious soon, anyone agreeable to that?

Seems to be laying the groundwork for a low posting game, but he comes back later and gets busy. If we ignore Fener we'll miss something that might point out a Shield. Post is fearmongering, DDay in 2 days? how?

Hood, on 06 February 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Fener, on 06 February 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 February 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

So, pretty much a standard 15 player game, 3 scum vs 12 town. Normally I would start her with a Fener vote... but as that isn't possible, I am at a loss

Vote for me Osseric, I dare you.

I double-dare you.

Double bluff?

Just putting this thought out there cause I thought of it before, what if Fener is lynchable today? Rather than vote night as someone suggested what if we voted Fener off and it worked? If it did then it is better than voting night, and today is a better day than any to attempt such a thing.

If not, then we have a 1 in 4 shot of lynching one of his body guards randomly. I am unsure what we should be looking for on day one though, I am open to suggestions. Someone trying to lay low? Someone agreeable with Fener? Looking for possible signals?

Like I said, i'll have plenty of time later on tonight to attribute my thoughts on the matter and bounce some ideas of people but right now I have to work like a madman

Hood, on 06 February 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

If I had the time I would amuse you... Not! My eyes, turn this blasted contraption off!!

Hood, on 07 February 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

Tennes, on 06 February 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Hood, on 06 February 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Fener, on 06 February 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

Osseric, on 06 February 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

So, pretty much a standard 15 player game, 3 scum vs 12 town. Normally I would start her with a Fener vote... but as that isn't possible, I am at a loss

Vote for me Osseric, I dare you.

I double-dare you.

Double bluff?

Just putting this thought out there cause I thought of it before, what if Fener is lynchable today? Rather than vote night as someone suggested what if we voted Fener off and it worked? If it did then it is better than voting night, and today is a better day than any to attempt such a thing.

If not, then we have a 1 in 4 shot of lynching one of his body guards randomly. I am unsure what we should be looking for on day one though, I am open to suggestions. Someone trying to lay low? Someone agreeable with Fener? Looking for possible signals?

Like I said, i'll have plenty of time later on tonight to attribute my thoughts on the matter and bounce some ideas of people but right now I have to work like a madman

Remove vote
Vote Hood's Path

for suggesting a strategy that won't benefit town in the slightest. His shields are alive, aren't they?

So through all what I said you didn't suggest anything, you just voted me for trying to figure out a stategy?

Vote Tennes

I was looking for whoever followed in what I was saying, i'd rather have discussed it and dismissed it than just dismiss it out of hand.

Hood, on 07 February 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Okay for now i'll



Remove Vote



Vote Barghast



This may spur your efforts on towards the game

Hood, on 07 February 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

I'm getting tired, it's been a long day and i'll need some sleep soon.



For now, i'll



Remove Vote

Vote Ruse



I will try and make it back before timeout so i'll go to bed now and hopefully wake up to change my vote if needed.

He suggests a bad plan, hasn't read the OP. He talks about his lack of time, then comes back 5 minutes later to post spam. Then he votes Tennes, votes Barghy, and votes Ruse. That strikes me as unusual.
I realize Tennes is looking at HP right now, that's what got me to re-read although I must say his posts yesterday caught my eye before hand.

Sorry format wasn't better, for some reason I can't highlight text to undeline or color - anybody else having this problem? Maybe I'll change the skin to the basic ME format.



Vote Hoods Path

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 9 hours 50 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: anthras, barghast, eloth, fener, hood's path, kalse, korbas, olar ethil, osseric, rashan, ruse, sorrit, tennes

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote fener ( fener )
1 vote sorrit ( eloth )
1 vote rashan ( ruse )
1 vote eloth ( sorrit )
3 votes ruse ( tennes, barghast, rashan )
1 vote hood's path ( osseric )

Players not voted: anthras, hood's path, kalse, korbas, olar ethil

[Fener]

Seems we've reached quite the impasse

[Hood's Path]

You know I think Ruse is Innocent and has recruitment ability, how about that Tennes? Creating imaginary roles is my thing here I guess. Well, you know what, let's shift attention elsewhere for a second. Ruse' reveal wasn't the best but I don't know what he can say. In fact I was about to give you something to chew on but i'll ask about that first. We see it time again that those playing scummy are the ones to get lynched or attention and are therefore exempt from night actions as scum think them lynchable and therefore the low posting people or smooth players are the ones to get targeted. Well maybe I decided to play the way I am playing to look as lynchable as possible but yet not be lynched, I want to look scummy but I am not shirking on my duty to try and help town. The initial vote fener idea was in response to someone's idea of voting night, I didn't hop on to that train of thought and try and get them lynched cause I could see one way of it benefitting town. I still think my vote fener thing was a good way of voting night instead of voting night if that is what the masses decided to do. You guys are making me feel like giving up on my quest to find scum and I don't give a shit if you lynch me. What is grating me is that there are 4 scum players who are able to control the thread by picking off the most scummy looking players, but I don't think scum play scummy, I think they play differently than that and smarter than that. But yeah, go along with whoever wants to vote fener or thinks aloud on thread that's fine by me. I just think when you see my cf you'll be a pissed off with my play.

[Hood's Path]

Vote Olar Ethil

The guy is scum. Scummy scum fucking scum. All day long, crack an egg and it becomes Olar scummy scum skull. Now maybe I'll spam the shit out of the thread because that is so towny and helpful right? Right? RIGHT?

[Hood's Path]

I have a window of opportunity to post my thoughts, last night before bed, on and off for a little while this morning and then maybe later on tonight but I won't be around for the final few hours due to a scheduled meeting in work. Boring as fuck. That means I can answer some questions now, or just be either a) lynched investigated tonight to ease people minds c)killed of at night cause of things I ahve hinted at

[Fener]

I'll ask you a few questions if you like

Who's your favourite tyrant?

Who is the most handsome pig?

What is your favourite bit of pork?


I hope you feel that I have usefully contributed to your time on the thread

[Osseric]

Hood, on 08 February 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

Vote Olar Ethil

The guy is scum. Scummy scum fucking scum. All day long, crack an egg and it becomes Olar scummy scum skull. Now maybe I'll spam the shit out of the thread because that is so towny and helpful right? Right? RIGHT?

ok, that sounds good.

Vote Olar Ethil

The more I think about it, the more I realize HP may be right. Shields are going to lay low, avoid voting for fear of hitting their own, and play a generally non confrontational game. IE Olar, Korabas, Anthras

I am happy to switch tack here and see where this goes.

EDIT:

Spelling

This post has been edited by Osseric: 08 February 2012 - 08:30 PM

[Fener]

Nice invalid vote there, golden boy.

[Hood's Path]

Fener, on 08 February 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

I'll ask you a few questions if you like

Who's your favourite tyrant?

Who is the most handsome pig?

What is your favourite bit of pork?


I hope you feel that I have usefully contributed to your time on the thread

Raest

Spider Pig

You from behind when Town rides you at the end!

[Fener]

Hood, on 08 February 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

Fener, on 08 February 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

I'll ask you a few questions if you like

Who's your favourite tyrant?

Who is the most handsome pig?

What is your favourite bit of pork?


I hope you feel that I have usefully contributed to your time on the thread

Raest

Spider Pig

You from behind when Town rides you at the end!

Careful...your answers test even the bounds of my almost illimitable patience.

[Hood's Path]

[Olar Ethil]

Hood, on 08 February 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

Vote Olar Ethil

The guy is scum. Scummy scum fucking scum. All day long, crack an egg and it becomes Olar scummy scum skull. Now maybe I'll spam the shit out of the thread because that is so towny and helpful right? Right? RIGHT?

I'm glad you've made a rational case on me HP and don't sound like an asshole who is pissed off that someone has the audacity to criticise him for scummy seeming play. Of course if I go with my original inclination and vote you that'll be me OMGUS voting you, won't it? Couldn't have anything to do with the reasons I already posted for thinking you are scum, It would be petty of me, wouldn't it?

I'll be back in about an hour or two.