[Karatallid]

 Path-Shaper, on 25 January 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

The Uesugi Ashikaga alliance has ended.
The Fujiwari Takeda alliance continues.

So what do we make off this? Some alliances can be broken when a leader dies? The other leader decides that it may be better to cut his losses?

 Liosan, on 25 January 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Wait. The ashikaga and uesugi both lost someone, and their alliance ended, but the other two are at full strength and the alliance is intact

I guess because Eloth/GH was the leader of the Uesugi that the alliance ended when he got lynched. Other than that maybe his second in command has taken this ability to forge alliance and now has the power to make that decision or not?

[Galayn Lord]

 Karatallid, on 25 January 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on 25 January 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

I guess this was what Shin means by clues. It was also a kill of a guy from one alliance by a clan in the other.
What is puzzling me: it is called Open Alliance instead of just Alliance... that suggests there may be a different type?

So open allainces announced in thread but there could be hidden alliances told off thread?

I have no proof whatsoever and I don't want to scaremonger, it is just that "Open" is redundant if that is the only type of alliance, isn't it?

[Galayn Lord]

Anyhow, I am out for the next 6-7 hours.

[Korlat]

 Galayn Lord, on 25 January 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

 Karatallid, on 25 January 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on 25 January 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

I guess this was what Shin means by clues. It was also a kill of a guy from one alliance by a clan in the other.
What is puzzling me: it is called Open Alliance instead of just Alliance... that suggests there may be a different type?

So open allainces announced in thread but there could be hidden alliances told off thread?

I have no proof whatsoever and I don't want to scaremonger, it is just that "Open" is redundant if that is the only type of alliance, isn't it?

I thought of 'Open' being that meaning alliances could be made at the same time. But also makes sense.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 25 Hours Left.

18 Players still alive: Atrahal, Fener, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

10 Votes to Lynch. 9 to go to night.

No one has voted.

Players not voting: Atrahal, Fener, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

[Fener]

Oh wow, lots has happened while I've been asleep: Double-voters, deaths, another faction possibly revealed, alliances broken....Regarding the first, my guess is that some roles would be the same or similar on all the factions to balance it out. Regarding the second, it seems the Fujiwari-Takeda alliance is looking strong at the minute with the weakening of the Uesugi and Ashikaga.

Silanah's reaction to the death stands out most to me so far, as if they were trying to convince that Eloth's death/role was unimportant. Even if Eloth's actions were "clearly" role-playing only, as Sil argued, so what? We're not looking for scum. This wasn't an inno who was lynched.

And does anyone else get the impression that Galayn Lord knows a heck of a lot and is disguising it as 'guesses'? I just got that feeling while reading over his latest posts.

[Korlat]

I've gotten that impression, sort of. I figured he was just a good player. But then again, there was something he said that kinda pinged in my brain. I'll take a look and see if I can find it before I head out.

[Liosan]

Especially because he subtly suggested their were secret alliances

[Liosan]

Them right after he posts he says he wont be back for a while which makes it impossible for anyone to ask for clarofication. Hes playing too well.
Vote galayn lord

This post has been edited by Liosan: 25 January 2012 - 12:44 PM

[Kessobahn]

Back for today. looks like all kinds of things have happened, I'll post comments later when I get some work done

[Shadow]

 Liosan, on 25 January 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Wait. The ashikaga and uesugi both lost someone, and their alliance ended, but the other two are at full strength and the alliance is intact

My guess would be that lynches don't affect alliances, while NA's do. Either the U-A faction attacked eachother on accident, thus ending alliance, or one of the leaders broke the alliance (assuming they're the ones with that power).

Culture hunt anyone?

1. Silanah
2. Liosan
3. Tulas Shorn

Those are the people that are likely to be Uesugi.

[Sheltatha Lore]

 Shadow, on 25 January 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

Culture hunt anyone?

1. Silanah
2. Liosan
3. Tulas Shorn

Those are the people that are likely to be Uesugi.

I agree with Tulas Shorn, for reasons I explained above.

Silanah, I guess based on her strange reaction at the lynch, but then again if my leader just got lynched, I would shut the hell up instead of going righteous on our asses. She sounded more pissed at the concept of lynching in general, and with the "Red five" comment from before, maybe she's a leader. But Liosan, I don't see?

[Shadow]

1. Silanah becase of the of the obvious reaction to the lynch. No point in being angry that someone was lynched. In fact, GH was a leader. That's a great lynch for anyone that's not from his faction. She was also not on the train, which lends credit imo.

 Silanah, on 24 January 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

Just read the WHOLE DAMN THING and decided that thelynch was completely ridiculous. Eloth was just foolin' around, and just because this is mafia, everyone grabs their katanas and goes after him. pretty funny, I thought.

2. Liosan because of his reaction to a post from another suspected Uesugi.

 Silanah, on 24 January 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:

Red five, signing in

 Liosan, on 24 January 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

Greetings red five.

As well as this odd reaction when Omtose brings up the Korean-speak for the first time. Liosan, however, was on the train. 2nd, actually.

 Liosan, on 24 January 2012 - 01:48 AM, said:

 Omtose, on 24 January 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

That would be why then I suppose.

Aside from attempts to get things going and what appear to be joke votes, so far nothing is really striking me as important, maybe reading the thread over in the morning with fresh eyes will reveal something but the two events that are most mentioned so far, the Japanese RPing and the vote on/off spat between GL and Osseric, seem to not be overly suspicious.

Interesting to note though that the first RPd post to be written was by Merrid and was also written in Korean.

Oh nooo! signaling case again...
Osseric please don't get all worked up for nothing again.

Then again, what if it is signalin???

 Liosan, on 24 January 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Since i may not be back for th lynch and because only eloth has done anything obviously suspicios enough to get a vote...
Vote Eloth

3. Tulas Shorn definitely did a lot to defend Eloth, while at the same time insisting that he wasn't defending Eloth. Along with that, he wasn't on the train.

 Tulas Shorn, on 24 January 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

The whole Eloth - Merrid connection seems to me to be role playing gone awol. But even then not really. I have noticed over the last several months that people just don't know how to react to role playing in a game. The usual reaction is to lynch the player. Which while moving the game forward, kind of ruins a big part of what mafia should be. The paranoia which people seem to view RPing which is only as a way for scum to code or to communicate seems to be way over board. Because lets face it. GH who has been scum for the past 3 games has not bothered to code or to try to signal at all. True those have been M/p games, however the function of coding or signaling should be more powerful in those games in then in a merc game. But perhaps I am missing something.

Now I am not saying nor trying to defend either Eloth - Merrid I am just saying that people have begun to try to treat day 1 like it is in the same paranoia level as d-day when day 1 is not even in the hemisphere.

I apologize if this post seems a little like how to play mafia. But it is starting to get tiring to keep reading people asking if someone has to post like that due to a role or some other bullshit. Yes people there are roles like that but come on. Either they are announced at the beginning of the game (benses) or you are playing in a high TMDI (7+) where the moderator is trying out different ideas. If you are playing in a tradition merc game that is the next in a sequence then it is probably ok to assume that this game is moderately harder then the previous game in the cycle. Thus if this was shin's game 5 you could assume that there would be more unusual roles. But since this is only game 2, and shin said that it would only be a marginally higher tmdi then the first one. Which since this is a faction game I took to be that we would be playing in a faction game rather then a straight up town/scum game. So could we dispense with the thoughts that if someone is posting weird then that they are doing that because of a role and assume that they are doing that for their own amusement. Feel free to ignore them if you find that posting irritating.

 Liosan, on 24 January 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Since i may not be back for th lynch and because only eloth has done anything obviously suspicios enough to get a vote...
Vote Eloth

[Shadow]

Oh, and those aren't guaranteed. Just who stood out to me.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Anyways.

vote Tulas Shorn


Sheltatha Lore, Culture hunting since 2007

[Merrid]

Here. Catching up.

[Merrid]

 Path-Shaper, on 24 January 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Uesugi Fusayoshi stared down at the message he held in his hands. The seals were correct. The messenger was correct. The language was correct. It was an official summons to the Imperial Court, for an audience with his revered self, the Emperor. His eyes bulged and his mind raced. There was no way to refuse this summons. He must delay! The way events were moving he knew he had to act now, and if he must remove himself to Kyoto, the potential advantages could pass him by. He bowed his acquiescence to the messenger. "May I ask what has caused the Son of Heaven to call upon me?"

The messenger bowed his head in mock deference. "His majesty is currently entertaining a royal delegation from Korea, and word of your famous 'bow of Hachiman, god of war' has deemed worthy of interest. They wish to see it."

"Please allow me to delay this!" He thought. Aloud Fusayoshi replied, "It is one of the greatest treasures of the Uesugi. If it were at all possible, I would like to send the bow ahead to be inspected, and I will arrive later to pay my respects."

"That will not be possible," the imperial messenger replied, "the honorable Uesugi has been asked for by name."

Unable to conceal his desperation from his face, Fusayoshi acquiesced. After the messenger had left, he immediately sent runners to his most trusted commanders. The campaign would just have to continue without him, and he could do nothing more than hope for the best.

Uesugi Fusayoshi, (Eloth, Gust Hubb) has been lynched. Although his character is not dead, he is no longer a part of the Chapter 2 scenario.

Weird - can't find any wiki/encyclopedia entries for Uesugi Fusayoshi, but articles on other people like Nagao Tamekage call him a "Japanese feudal lord" so I guess that is a good indicator. Or maybe Uesugi Fusayoshi is the same as Uesugi Akisada?

Will think more on this. Not totally convinced he was a leader, but am optimistic that he was.

[Merrid]

 Path-Shaper, on 25 January 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

Uji sucked his teeth, tutted and poured some more tea. Interpreting that as a sign of interest from the old innkeeper, Tsuyoshi continued. “Yes, times are going to become thin around here. The farmers are turned back to soldiers and I hear they’ve started fighting up North. Or maybe it was West? Probably both. Some border forts have been burned down and that’s sent troops swarming about like mad.
What’s more is those bastards the Takeda appear to be moving on the Ashikaga. Just like them to go and disturb the peace. And that’s sent the Uesugi and Miura scrambling to press their flank, trying to find an advantage. Or maybe it was the Fujiwari? Bah, it doesn’t matter which banner is on the field in the end.”
Uji smiled and bowed obsequiously. War had naught to do with his poor old inn.

Usubu Toyokuni rallied his men into a defense cordon and watched them steady against the next charge that was sure to come. He drew his sword, promising that as he died he’d take some of those bastard Takeda with him. He heard the conch blow, and turned to face the renewed teeth of the Takeda assault. “Ashikaaaaaagaaaaa” he roared as the first wave swarmed over his men.

Usubu Toyokuni of the Ashikaga (Osseric/twelve) is dead.

The war that had ignited first with the burning of forts along the contested lands between the Uesugi, Takeda and Miura was also waged in quiet rooms, far from any battlefield. The possibility of enemies becoming allies, or even vassals, kept many a spy and messenger in daily rice. There were some, however, who chose to honor their Allies even unto death.

No idea who Toyokuni is, sounds pretty minor.

"The possibility of enemies becoming allies, or even vassals" is scary - sounds like a recruiting mechanism.

[Merrid]

 Galayn Lord, on 25 January 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

 Sheltatha Lore, on 25 January 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

Hmm, well, about the lynch.

Someone has a triple vote?? That i find hard to believe, in the endgame he would be a powerhouse. Maybe 2 players with double votes? I don't know how symmetric the clans are, but there could be duplicates of the same roles around.

Either that or the leaders need fewer votes to get lynched. Again, a bit strange, needed 2 fewer votes would mean they would get destroyed, once again, in the endgame.

Perhaps it has something to do with the alliance system. Since each clan has the same number of players as per the OP, it makes sense for most roles to be similar, too.

Also,another Clan?

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The war that had ignited first with the burning of forts along the contested lands between the Uesugi, Takeda and Miura was also waged in quiet rooms, far from any battlefield. The possibility of enemies becoming allies, or even vassals, kept many a spy and messenger in daily rice. There were some, however, who chose to honor their Allies even unto death.

Miura was a legit clan, so yeah that could be a 5th faction if there is one.

[Merrid]

 Path-Shaper, on 25 January 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

The Uesugi Ashikaga alliance has ended.
The Fujiwari Takeda alliance continues.

 Liosan, on 25 January 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Wait. The ashikaga and uesugi both lost someone, and their alliance ended, but the other two are at full strength and the alliance is intact

I guess the Uesugi and Ashikaga didn't see it as worth continuing if they are both losing? Each wants to find an ally who is still at full strength to profit from?