[Galayn Lord]

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 January 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

Hmm, well, about the lynch.

Someone has a triple vote?? That i find hard to believe, in the endgame he would be a powerhouse. Maybe 2 players with double votes? I don't know how symmetric the clans are, but there could be duplicates of the same roles around.

Either that or the leaders need fewer votes to get lynched. Again, a bit strange, needed 2 fewer votes would mean they would get destroyed, once again, in the endgame.

Perhaps it has something to do with the alliance system. Since each clan has the same number of players as per the OP, it makes sense for most roles to be similar, too.

Also,another Clan?

Quote

The war that had ignited first with the burning of forts along the contested lands between the Uesugi, Takeda and Miura was also waged in quiet rooms, far from any battlefield. The possibility of enemies becoming allies, or even vassals, kept many a spy and messenger in daily rice. There were some, however, who chose to honor their Allies even unto death.

[Karatallid]

Galayn Lord, on 25 January 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 January 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

Hmm, well, about the lynch.

Someone has a triple vote?? That i find hard to believe, in the endgame he would be a powerhouse. Maybe 2 players with double votes? I don't know how symmetric the clans are, but there could be duplicates of the same roles around.

Either that or the leaders need fewer votes to get lynched. Again, a bit strange, needed 2 fewer votes would mean they would get destroyed, once again, in the endgame.

Perhaps it has something to do with the alliance system. Since each clan has the same number of players as per the OP, it makes sense for most roles to be similar, too.

Also,another Clan?

Quote

The war that had ignited first with the burning of forts along the contested lands between the Uesugi, Takeda and Miura was also waged in quiet rooms, far from any battlefield. The possibility of enemies becoming allies, or even vassals, kept many a spy and messenger in daily rice. There were some, however, who chose to honor their Allies even unto death.

I don't think anyone would have a triple vote, I would assume that two people would have double votes, that makes more sense. If there are 5 factions then maybe a few people will have this ability but some refrained from voting or were on the other train. with another faction added to the mix maybe we would be looking at five factions of four. This means that Eloth's faction is pretty hampered right now and so is Osseric' for that matter. Silanah's reaction was telling, it showed that she was not happy with the lynch which to me suggests an affiliation with Eloth at the least but more than likely is in Eloth's faction.

[Karatallid]

Galayn Lord, on 25 January 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 January 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

Hmm, well, about the lynch.

Someone has a triple vote?? That i find hard to believe, in the endgame he would be a powerhouse. Maybe 2 players with double votes? I don't know how symmetric the clans are, but there could be duplicates of the same roles around.

Either that or the leaders need fewer votes to get lynched. Again, a bit strange, needed 2 fewer votes would mean they would get destroyed, once again, in the endgame.

Perhaps it has something to do with the alliance system. Since each clan has the same number of players as per the OP, it makes sense for most roles to be similar, too.

Also,another Clan?

Quote

The war that had ignited first with the burning of forts along the contested lands between the Uesugi, Takeda and Miura was also waged in quiet rooms, far from any battlefield. The possibility of enemies becoming allies, or even vassals, kept many a spy and messenger in daily rice. There were some, however, who chose to honor their Allies even unto death.

I don't think anyone would have a triple vote, I would assume that two people would have double votes, that makes more sense. If there are 5 factions then maybe a few people will have this ability but some refrained from voting or were on the other train. with another faction added to the mix maybe we would be looking at five factions of four. This means that Eloth's faction is pretty hampered right now and so is Osseric' for that matter. Silanah's reaction was telling, it showed that she was not happy with the lynch which to me suggests an affiliation with Eloth at the least but more than likely is in Eloth's faction.

[Galayn Lord]

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 January 2012 - 05:51 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 24 January 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Silanah, on 24 January 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

Shadow, on 24 January 2012 - 09:55 PM, said:

Silanah, on 24 January 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

Just read the WHOLE DAMN THING and decided that thelynch was completely ridiculous. Eloth was just foolin' around, and just because this is mafia, everyone grabs their katanas and goes after him. pretty funny, I thought.

Funny how you come in AFTER the lynch and say that. Quite helpful of you.

Well, excUUUUuuuuUUUse me, princess.

really, Silanah? you make 5 posts on day one, one of which was a repeat of the previous post, and then you come in AFTER the lynch and say "oh, i knew all along he was just playing". in addition, none of your posts have any content to them.

what exactly was the purpose of your comment? "i know better than the rest of you"? try finding something constructive to say instead.

Back and catching up.

Just quoting this for truth on my way, I love when I see a post that writes what I'm thinking even better than I'm thinking it.

Timezones may play a part. If you're stuck somewhere with few online and on unlucky parts of the day when little has yet happened to comment on, you lack the interaction to move the game forward and by overly looking back, you're just regurgitating what others said before. Silencer was stuck in that particular zone when Gavin left the game, only now with KL is someone from the same zone online again, and PB, as one of the few west coast players, was stuck in the same position. It's one of the reasons why we play 36 hour days/cycles instead of 48 ones: end-time lies in different timezones.
If you're also stuck with a small time window to play in, well, that kind of limits the contribution. I'm not trying to find excuses for Silanah, but sometimes, there are reasons for players seeming out of touch.


That being said, there is definately a bit of a snub against the remainder of the field in Silanah's comment.

[Galayn Lord]

Karatallid, on 25 January 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 25 January 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 January 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

Hmm, well, about the lynch.

Someone has a triple vote?? That i find hard to believe, in the endgame he would be a powerhouse. Maybe 2 players with double votes? I don't know how symmetric the clans are, but there could be duplicates of the same roles around.

Either that or the leaders need fewer votes to get lynched. Again, a bit strange, needed 2 fewer votes would mean they would get destroyed, once again, in the endgame.

Perhaps it has something to do with the alliance system. Since each clan has the same number of players as per the OP, it makes sense for most roles to be similar, too.

Also,another Clan?

Quote

The war that had ignited first with the burning of forts along the contested lands between the Uesugi, Takeda and Miura was also waged in quiet rooms, far from any battlefield. The possibility of enemies becoming allies, or even vassals, kept many a spy and messenger in daily rice. There were some, however, who chose to honor their Allies even unto death.

I don't think anyone would have a triple vote, I would assume that two people would have double votes, that makes more sense. If there are 5 factions then maybe a few people will have this ability but some refrained from voting or were on the other train. with another faction added to the mix maybe we would be looking at five factions of four. This means that Eloth's faction is pretty hampered right now and so is Osseric' for that matter. Silanah's reaction was telling, it showed that she was not happy with the lynch which to me suggests an affiliation with Eloth at the least but more than likely is in Eloth's faction.

Well, Culture hunts never hurt anyone*



* apart from the hunted faction, of course.

[Olar Ethil]

Galayn Lord, on 25 January 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 January 2012 - 05:51 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 24 January 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Silanah, on 24 January 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

Shadow, on 24 January 2012 - 09:55 PM, said:

Silanah, on 24 January 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

Just read the WHOLE DAMN THING and decided that thelynch was completely ridiculous. Eloth was just foolin' around, and just because this is mafia, everyone grabs their katanas and goes after him. pretty funny, I thought.

Funny how you come in AFTER the lynch and say that. Quite helpful of you.

Well, excUUUUuuuuUUUse me, princess.

really, Silanah? you make 5 posts on day one, one of which was a repeat of the previous post, and then you come in AFTER the lynch and say "oh, i knew all along he was just playing". in addition, none of your posts have any content to them.

what exactly was the purpose of your comment? "i know better than the rest of you"? try finding something constructive to say instead.

Back and catching up.

Just quoting this for truth on my way, I love when I see a post that writes what I'm thinking even better than I'm thinking it.

Timezones may play a part. If you're stuck somewhere with few online and on unlucky parts of the day when little has yet happened to comment on, you lack the interaction to move the game forward and by overly looking back, you're just regurgitating what others said before. Silencer was stuck in that particular zone when Gavin left the game, only now with KL is someone from the same zone online again, and PB, as one of the few west coast players, was stuck in the same position. It's one of the reasons why we play 36 hour days/cycles instead of 48 ones: end-time lies in different timezones.
If you're also stuck with a small time window to play in, well, that kind of limits the contribution. I'm not trying to find excuses for Silanah, but sometimes, there are reasons for players seeming out of touch.


That being said, there is definately a bit of a snub against the remainder of the field in Silanah's comment.

i dont have a problem with the low posting per se. i myself live in a tricky timezone, im just lucky in that i can play at work. its the fact that she has posted nothing of interest, and then attacks everyone else that bothers me. and the response she makes is unnecessarily prissy and condecending. but maybe im just grumpy

[Sheltatha Lore]

Olar Ethil said:

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Galayn Lord said:

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Sheltatha Lore said:

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Olar Ethil said:

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Silanah said:

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Shadow said:

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Silanah said:

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Just read the WHOLE DAMN THING and decided that thelynch was completely ridiculous. Eloth was just foolin' around, and just because this is mafia, everyone grabs their katanas and goes after him. pretty funny, I thought.

Funny how you come in AFTER the lynch and say that. Quite helpful of you.

Well, excUUUUuuuuUUUse me, princess.

really, Silanah? you make 5 posts on day one, one of which was a repeat of the previous post, and then you come in AFTER the lynch and say "oh, i knew all along he was just playing". in addition, none of your posts have any content to them.

what exactly was the purpose of your comment? "i know better than the rest of you"? try finding something constructive to say instead.

Back and catching up.

Just quoting this for truth on my way, I love when I see a post that writes what I'm thinking even better than I'm thinking it.

Timezones may play a part. If you're stuck somewhere with few online and on unlucky parts of the day when little has yet happened to comment on, you lack the interaction to move the game forward and by overly looking back, you're just regurgitating what others said before. Silencer was stuck in that particular zone when Gavin left the game, only now with KL is someone from the same zone online again, and PB, as one of the few west coast players, was stuck in the same position. It's one of the reasons why we play 36 hour days/cycles instead of 48 ones: end-time lies in different timezones.
If you're also stuck with a small time window to play in, well, that kind of limits the contribution. I'm not trying to find excuses for Silanah, but sometimes, there are reasons for players seeming out of touch.


That being said, there is definately a bit of a snub against the remainder of the field in Silanah's comment.

i dont have a problem with the low posting per se. i myself live in a tricky timezone, im just lucky in that i can play at work. its the fact that she has posted nothing of interest, and then attacks everyone else that bothers me. and the response she makes is unnecessarily prissy and condecending. but maybe im just grumpy

?There was no condescention in my post, quite the contrary.I was reading Silanah's reaction and was about to post what i thought, but i saw Olar's post which captured it perfectly, so quoted it to say I agree.

[Galayn Lord]

Olar Ethil, on 25 January 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

i dont have a problem with the low posting per se. i myself live in a tricky timezone, im just lucky in that i can play at work. its the fact that she has posted nothing of interest, and then attacks everyone else that bothers me. and the response she makes is unnecessarily prissy and condecending. but maybe im just grumpy

I already commented on the general gist of their remarks, but I don't disagree with you, even after two cups of espresso improved my mood and opinion of mankind in general.

[Galayn Lord]

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 January 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 25 January 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 25 January 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 January 2012 - 05:51 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 24 January 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Silanah, on 24 January 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

Shadow, on 24 January 2012 - 09:55 PM, said:

Silanah, on 24 January 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

Just read the WHOLE DAMN THING and decided that thelynch was completely ridiculous. Eloth was just foolin' around, and just because this is mafia, everyone grabs their katanas and goes after him. pretty funny, I thought.

Funny how you come in AFTER the lynch and say that. Quite helpful of you.

Well, excUUUUuuuuUUUse me, princess.

really, Silanah? you make 5 posts on day one, one of which was a repeat of the previous post, and then you come in AFTER the lynch and say "oh, i knew all along he was just playing". in addition, none of your posts have any content to them.

what exactly was the purpose of your comment? "i know better than the rest of you"? try finding something constructive to say instead.

Back and catching up.

Just quoting this for truth on my way, I love when I see a post that writes what I'm thinking even better than I'm thinking it.

Timezones may play a part. If you're stuck somewhere with few online and on unlucky parts of the day when little has yet happened to comment on, you lack the interaction to move the game forward and by overly looking back, you're just regurgitating what others said before. Silencer was stuck in that particular zone when Gavin left the game, only now with KL is someone from the same zone online again, and PB, as one of the few west coast players, was stuck in the same position. It's one of the reasons why we play 36 hour days/cycles instead of 48 ones: end-time lies in different timezones.
If you're also stuck with a small time window to play in, well, that kind of limits the contribution. I'm not trying to find excuses for Silanah, but sometimes, there are reasons for players seeming out of touch.


That being said, there is definately a bit of a snub against the remainder of the field in Silanah's comment.

i dont have a problem with the low posting per se. i myself live in a tricky timezone, im just lucky in that i can play at work. its the fact that she has posted nothing of interest, and then attacks everyone else that bothers me. and the response she makes is unnecessarily prissy and condecending. but maybe im just grumpy

?There was no condescention in my post, quite the contrary.I was reading Silanah's reaction and was about to post what i thought, but i saw Olar's post which captured it perfectly, so quoted it to say I agree.

OE is to affirm of course, but I think his remark was regarding Silanah, not you.

[Olar Ethil]

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 January 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

?There was no condescention in my post, quite the contrary.I was reading Silanah's reaction and was about to post what i thought, but i saw Olar's post which captured it perfectly, so quoted it to say I agree.

sorry, that wasnt aimed at you! i was still grumping about Silanah

[Olar Ethil]

yeah, what GL said

[Sheltatha Lore]

Oh, sorry. Big quotes and phones don't mix well

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 26 Hours Left.

18 Players still alive: Atrahal, Fener, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

10 Votes to Lynch. 9 to go to night.

No one has voted.

Players not voting: Atrahal, Fener, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

[Sheltatha Lore]

In the mind frame of role symetry between the teams, i was wondering was there was only 1 death.Was Osseric targeted by more than one player? If so, we should re-read his posts to figure out what he said to open this bag of hurt.

[Karatallid]

Quote

All actions performed are subject to appearing in scenes in some manner. There is a system of “Open Alliance” in effect between clans, and those alliances as they happen will be announced on the game thread for all to see.

Path-Shaper, on 24 January 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Uesugi Fusayoshi stared down at the message he held in his hands. The seals were correct. The messenger was correct. The language was correct. It was an official summons to the Imperial Court, for an audience with his revered self, the Emperor. His eyes bulged and his mind raced. There was no way to refuse this summons. He must delay! The way events were moving he knew he had to act now, and if he must remove himself to Kyoto, the potential advantages could pass him by.

Is this a reason he played how he played?

He bowed his acquiescence to the messenger. "May I ask what has caused the Son of Heaven to call upon me?"

The messenger bowed his head in mock deference. "His majesty is currently entertaining a royal delegation from Korea, and word of your famous 'bow of Hachiman, god of war' has deemed worthy of interest. They wish to see it."

A lynch related reason.

"Please allow me to delay this!" He thought. Aloud Fusayoshi replied, "It is one of the greatest treasures of the Uesugi. If it were at all possible, I would like to send the bow ahead to be inspected, and I will arrive later to pay my respects."

"That will not be possible," the imperial messenger replied, "the honorable Uesugi has been asked for by name."

Unable to conceal his desperation from his face, Fusayoshi acquiesced. After the messenger had left, he immediately sent runners to his most trusted commanders. The campaign would just have to continue without him, and he could do nothing more than hope for the best.

Uesugi Fusayoshi, (Eloth, Gust Hubb) has been lynched. Although his character is not dead, he is no longer a part of the Chapter 2 scenario.

To be fair I don't think this scene included anything other than GH's lynch, I thought we might see some day actions or clues to what is going on in the day here...

Path-Shaper, on 25 January 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

Uji sucked his teeth, tutted and poured some more tea. Interpreting that as a sign of interest from the old innkeeper, Tsuyoshi continued. “Yes, times are going to become thin around here. The farmers are turned back to soldiers and I hear they’ve started fighting up North. Or maybe it was West? Probably both. Some border forts have been burned down and that’s sent troops swarming about like mad.

What’s more is those bastards the Takeda appear to be moving on the Ashikaga. So it was someone from faction Takeda that took out Osseric/Ashikaga?

Just like them to go and disturb the peace. And that’s sent the Uesugi and Miura scrambling to press their flank, trying to find an advantage. Or maybe it was the Fujiwari? Bah, it doesn’t matter which banner is on the field in the end.”
Uji smiled and bowed obsequiously. War had naught to do with his poor old inn.

Usubu Toyokuni rallied his men into a defense cordon and watched them steady against the next charge that was sure to come. He drew his sword, promising that as he died he’d take some of those bastard Takeda with him. He heard the conch blow, and turned to face the renewed teeth of the Takeda assault. “Ashikaaaaaagaaaaa” he roared as the first wave swarmed over his men.

Usubu Toyokuni of the Ashikaga (Osseric/twelve) is dead.

The war that had ignited first with the burning of forts along the contested lands between the Uesugi, Takeda and Miura was also waged in quiet rooms, far from any battlefield. The possibility of enemies becoming allies, or even vassals, kept many a spy and messenger in daily rice. There were some, however, who chose to honor their Allies even unto death.

If there are alliances does this mean actions won't work against an ally? What do we think is going on?

So what do we think went down over the course of the day and night. It'd be good to know what sort of roles we are looking at and what happened behind the scenes. PS says we would have clues didn't he?

[Galayn Lord]

Karatallid, on 25 January 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Quote

All actions performed are subject to appearing in scenes in some manner. There is a system of "Open Alliance" in effect between clans, and those alliances as they happen will be announced on the game thread for all to see.

Path-Shaper, on 24 January 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Uesugi Fusayoshi stared down at the message he held in his hands. The seals were correct. The messenger was correct. The language was correct. It was an official summons to the Imperial Court, for an audience with his revered self, the Emperor. His eyes bulged and his mind raced. There was no way to refuse this summons. He must delay! The way events were moving he knew he had to act now, and if he must remove himself to Kyoto, the potential advantages could pass him by.

Is this a reason he played how he played?


Uesugi Fusayoshi, (Eloth, Gust Hubb) has been lynched. Although his character is not dead, he is no longer a part of the Chapter 2 scenario.

To be fair I don't think this scene included anything other than GH's lynch, I thought we might see some day actions or clues to what is going on in the day here...

'
To the orange bit: I think it means that while he is travelling/ present in Kyoto at the emperor's side, he will be unable to direct his faction and thus, loses his influence on the events. I guess it is not a player motivation, but Shin's way of writing GHs character out of the story without killing him.

Quote

Path-Shaper, on 25 January 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

Uji sucked his teeth, tutted and poured some more tea. Interpreting that as a sign of interest from the old innkeeper, Tsuyoshi continued. "Yes, times are going to become thin around here. The farmers are turned back to soldiers and I hear they've started fighting up North. Or maybe it was West? Probably both. Some border forts have been burned down and that's sent troops swarming about like mad.

What's more is those bastards the Takeda appear to be moving on the Ashikaga. So it was someone from faction Takeda that took out Osseric/Ashikaga?

Just like them to go and disturb the peace. And that's sent the Uesugi and Miura scrambling to press their flank, trying to find an advantage. Or maybe it was the Fujiwari? Bah, it doesn't matter which banner is on the field in the end."
Uji smiled and bowed obsequiously. War had naught to do with his poor old inn.

Usubu Toyokuni rallied his men into a defense cordon and watched them steady against the next charge that was sure to come. He drew his sword, promising that as he died he'd take some of those bastard Takeda with him. He heard the conch blow, and turned to face the renewed teeth of the Takeda assault. "Ashikaaaaaagaaaaa" he roared as the first wave swarmed over his men.

Usubu Toyokuni of the Ashikaga (Osseric/twelve) is dead.

The war that had ignited first with the burning of forts along the contested lands between the Uesugi, Takeda and Miura was also waged in quiet rooms, far from any battlefield. The possibility of enemies becoming allies, or even vassals, kept many a spy and messenger in daily rice. There were some, however, who chose to honor their Allies even unto death.

If there are alliances does this mean actions won't work against an ally? What do we think is going on?

So what do we think went down over the course of the day and night. It'd be good to know what sort of roles we are looking at and what happened behind the scenes. PS says we would have clues didn't he?

there may be clues, but it seems rather unreasonable to have the game explained by the start of day 2
Anyhow, I'd say that the stuff about the Takeda killing Osseric is too blatant to be a mix-up considering it is both mentioned by the inn-keeper and in the battle scene.

I guess this was what Shin means by clues. It was also a kill of a guy from one alliance by a clan in the other.
What is puzzling me: it is called Open Alliance instead of just Alliance... that suggests there may be a different type?

[Liosan]

In the first sengoku he said ther might be but i dont remember for this one

[Path-Shaper]

The Uesugi Ashikaga alliance has ended.
The Fujiwari Takeda alliance continues.

[Liosan]

Wait. The ashikaga and uesugi both lost someone, and their alliance ended, but the other two are at full strength and the alliance is intact

[Karatallid]

Galayn Lord, on 25 January 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 25 January 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Quote

All actions performed are subject to appearing in scenes in some manner. There is a system of "Open Alliance" in effect between clans, and those alliances as they happen will be announced on the game thread for all to see.

Path-Shaper, on 24 January 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Uesugi Fusayoshi stared down at the message he held in his hands. The seals were correct. The messenger was correct. The language was correct. It was an official summons to the Imperial Court, for an audience with his revered self, the Emperor. His eyes bulged and his mind raced. There was no way to refuse this summons. He must delay! The way events were moving he knew he had to act now, and if he must remove himself to Kyoto, the potential advantages could pass him by.

Is this a reason he played how he played?


Uesugi Fusayoshi, (Eloth, Gust Hubb) has been lynched. Although his character is not dead, he is no longer a part of the Chapter 2 scenario.

To be fair I don't think this scene included anything other than GH's lynch, I thought we might see some day actions or clues to what is going on in the day here...

'
To the orange bit: I think it means that while he is travelling/ present in Kyoto at the emperor's side, he will be unable to direct his faction and thus, loses his influence on the events. I guess it is not a player motivation, but Shin's way of writing GHs character out of the story without killing him.

Quote

Path-Shaper, on 25 January 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

Uji sucked his teeth, tutted and poured some more tea. Interpreting that as a sign of interest from the old innkeeper, Tsuyoshi continued. "Yes, times are going to become thin around here. The farmers are turned back to soldiers and I hear they've started fighting up North. Or maybe it was West? Probably both. Some border forts have been burned down and that's sent troops swarming about like mad.

What's more is those bastards the Takeda appear to be moving on the Ashikaga. So it was someone from faction Takeda that took out Osseric/Ashikaga?

Just like them to go and disturb the peace. And that's sent the Uesugi and Miura scrambling to press their flank, trying to find an advantage. Or maybe it was the Fujiwari? Bah, it doesn't matter which banner is on the field in the end."
Uji smiled and bowed obsequiously. War had naught to do with his poor old inn.

Usubu Toyokuni rallied his men into a defense cordon and watched them steady against the next charge that was sure to come. He drew his sword, promising that as he died he'd take some of those bastard Takeda with him. He heard the conch blow, and turned to face the renewed teeth of the Takeda assault. "Ashikaaaaaagaaaaa" he roared as the first wave swarmed over his men.

Usubu Toyokuni of the Ashikaga (Osseric/twelve) is dead.

The war that had ignited first with the burning of forts along the contested lands between the Uesugi, Takeda and Miura was also waged in quiet rooms, far from any battlefield. The possibility of enemies becoming allies, or even vassals, kept many a spy and messenger in daily rice. There were some, however, who chose to honor their Allies even unto death.

If there are alliances does this mean actions won't work against an ally? What do we think is going on?

So what do we think went down over the course of the day and night. It'd be good to know what sort of roles we are looking at and what happened behind the scenes. PS says we would have clues didn't he?

there may be clues, but it seems rather unreasonable to have the game explained by the start of day 2
Anyhow, I'd say that the stuff about the Takeda killing Osseric is too blatant to be a mix-up considering it is both mentioned by the inn-keeper and in the battle scene.

I guess this was what Shin means by clues. It was also a kill of a guy from one alliance by a clan in the other.
What is puzzling me: it is called Open Alliance instead of just Alliance... that suggests there may be a different type?

So open allainces announced in thread but there could be hidden alliances told off thread?