[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 12 Hours and 46 minutes Left.

18 Players still alive: Atrahal, Fener, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

10 Votes to Lynch. 9 to go to night.

1 Vote Tulas Shorn: Sheltatha Lore
4 Votes Silanah: Atrahal, Korvalain, Liosan, Kessobahn
2 Votes Liosan: Galayn Lord, Fener

Players not voting: Karatallid, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

[Korlat]

Fener, on 26 January 2012 - 01:15 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 21 January 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

General Thread Announcement in regards to Game Mechanics
This is a faction game with players divided onto teams. Teams will be referred to as "clans". All clans start evenly in terms of numbers. All players will have a unique name, and will also be provided with the name of their clan.

Cheers, need to learn to read properly...

[Olar Ethil]

excellent cross-posting however, im wondering why we are STILL talking about team sizes. we have agreed that there are 4 groups of 5 or 5 groups of 4. For anything else, look at the scenes, like the rest of us.

can we get back to lynching talk, please?

[Silanah]

PS, how long until deadline? edit: never mind.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 26 January 2012 - 01:36 AM

[Tulas Shorn]

Ok I am here getting caught up.

[Korlat]

Olar Ethil, on 26 January 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

excellent cross-posting however, im wondering why we are STILL talking about team sizes. we have agreed that there are 4 groups of 5 or 5 groups of 4. For anything else, look at the scenes, like the rest of us.

can we get back to lynching talk, please?

Go for it then. I'm making food and rereading yesterdays lynch, so I'm around but only sort of.

[Tulas Shorn]

Karatallid, on 25 January 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 25 January 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

The Uesugi Ashikaga alliance has ended.
The Fujiwari Takeda alliance continues.

So what do we make off this? Some alliances can be broken when a leader dies? The other leader decides that it may be better to cut his losses?

Liosan, on 25 January 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Wait. The ashikaga and uesugi both lost someone, and their alliance ended, but the other two are at full strength and the alliance is intact

I guess because Eloth/GH was the leader of the Uesugi that the alliance ended when he got lynched. Other than that maybe his second in command has taken this ability to forge alliance and now has the power to make that decision or not?

I would actually think that only the leader would be able to create and keep up alliances. In feudal Japan vassals (which would be what a second command would be) were not really encouraged to create alliances behind their lords back. That kind of thing would usually lead to the lord inviting the vassal to commit seppuku. I can't see Shin deviating far from that.

[Silanah]

Olar Ethil, on 25 January 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

Silanah, on 25 January 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 24 January 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

this translation business was some fucking bullshit. i'd have all of you fired if i'd hired you to play mafia. no fucking way, there should be a rule about posting text in one language only. idioms, and such. i'm falling off a neo-conservative cliff here, someone help

atrahal and ts are on the list. ts is just buggy with the fucking japanese and atrahal's comments are scummy. so far he's dismisssed all non-english characters as day 1 rp and then in the next few posts, then dismisses codes, then threatens to vote TS for continuing, then speculates on roles/factions.

and to top it all off, they are VOTING FOR EACH OTHER.

god damn. i noticed a couple other things but we need to wait before bringing them up.

i don't know that Ican be fucked to rerad that rant. god. plenty of time left but i see the two people with the highest post counts stirring shit up on thread and voting for each other. if this wasn't a faction game i'd say scum for sure but it seems like heavy deflection right now or some sort of signaling.

Did my research and found this. edit: It dates from quite early in GH's lynch train.

this pretty much was my reasoning behind the post that you all call an "outburst".

I am NOT trying to bring tiam front and center, I am trying to tell all that (numerous) others shared the same feelings about the situation. I just chose this one for the sake of convenience.
That leaves me posting after the lynch happened as the fact that makes this stand out, and that it was only my fifth post. Both are explained my the time zones. I sure hope nobody says that I am using time zones as an excuse, because that is obvious.

I believe I've covered both bases, correct? My "signaling" and the post of doom.

Silanah, my main issue with you is that you posted a few 'nothing' posts early on in the game, and then had a spaz after the lynch. you are getting heat for it now because the feeling is that any lynch that is not of your team members is a good lynch, and because you were angry about the lynch you must be on a team with Eloth.
the differece between your post and Tiams is that Tiam threw out some viable alternatives. you just spazzed.

Of course I spazzed. I had had no chance to speak during the lynch, and was too late to do anything about it. It just irked me that that kind of reasoning was taking place on the first day.
And as for the empty posts, they're just that...empty. You can't fill a metaphorical lynch pitcher without metaphorical reason water.
And it was the first day. Dragonsecks, anyone?

What comes immediately to my attention is how Liosan has been quick to deflect attention by voting quickly and (dare I say) thoughtlessly.

Actually, what GL said about Lio calls to attention a lot of things.

[Liosan]

What things does it call attention too?

[Tulas Shorn]

Path-Shaper, on 25 January 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

I am still waiting on some actions and/or confirmations. BTW, confirmations aren't strictly necessary, but they are nice because they serve to speed things up a bit.

In clarification, I made two errors on the final voting. The first error is somehow Silanah's name was deleted from the "not voting" list. On the lynch train, I should not have counted Atrahal's vote.

Here is how it should have looked:

It is Day 1. There has been a lynch.

20 Players still alive: Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

11 Votes to Lynch. 10 to go to night.

1 Vote Tulas Shorn: Atrahal
1 Vote Atrahal: Tulas Shorn
3 Votes Merrid: Eloth, Sorrit, Olar Ethil
9 Votes Eloth: Shetatha Lore, Liosan, Okaros, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korvalain, Merrid, Omtose, Shadow

Players not voting: Fener, Kessobahn, Korlat,, Silanah Osseric, Tiamatha

This was because I was in a rush to get to work when I did this, so I made a boo boo. So yes, 9 votes, and yes, Eloth was lynched.

Pro tip: These type of errors can be avoided by using the mafia manager. Mafia Manager

[Tulas Shorn]

Liosan, on 26 January 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

What things does it call attention too?

I would have to say the bright colors and shinny lines that I see when I look at you. But that might also be because your bright.

[Tulas Shorn]

Shadow, on 25 January 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

Liosan, on 25 January 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Wait. The ashikaga and uesugi both lost someone, and their alliance ended, but the other two are at full strength and the alliance is intact

My guess would be that lynches don't affect alliances, while NA's do. Either the U-A faction attacked eachother on accident, thus ending alliance, or one of the leaders broke the alliance (assuming they're the ones with that power).

Culture hunt anyone?

1. Silanah
2. Liosan
3. Tulas Shorn

Those are the people that are likely to be Uesugi.

Why would I be most likely to be Uesugi? Because I posted in Japanese on day one then talked about how the game has turned into a "if you rp then you should be lynched for _____ and ____ or ______". That seems a bit like strawmanning with out any thing to back it up, or like someone is looking for a quick easy lynch because their team isn't in a alliance. Hmmmm

So far the only person who seems like they might have been a Uesugi is Silanah, and that is based purely on his reaction after the lynch.

[Tulas Shorn]

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 January 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

Well, not sure where to go now.

If we want a Culture hunt, we could go for Tulas Shorn. Merrid I'm not so certain anymore, since in the pair Eloth was the signal-er, and if he was a leader that makes no sense.

Tulas, on the other hand, came and tried to convince us that we were just bad boys picking on the guy for RPing, so that we would hang our heads in shame and not lynch him. And he finished the day without voting him, so I conclude he knew very well who Eloth was.

Now wait just a second there. I in no way was trying to derail either a Eloth lynch or Merrid lynch. I stated that I wasn't trying multiple times. I was trying to discuss rping and this forums predilection to lynching people who choose to rp on day 1.

Now because I knew that someone like you (yes YOU) would attempt to use my rping discussions to try to say that I was attempting to derail those lynches (I never offered up someone else to lynch, which I would have done if I had been trying to derail the lynches) I made sure to include

Tulas Shorn, on 24 January 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

The whole Eloth - Merrid connection seems to me to be role playing gone awol. But even then not really. I have noticed over the last several months that people just don't know how to react to role playing in a game. The usual reaction is to lynch the player. Which while moving the game forward, kind of ruins a big part of what mafia should be. The paranoia which people seem to view RPing which is only as a way for scum to code or to communicate seems to be way over board. Because lets face it. GH who has been scum for the past 3 games has not bothered to code or to try to signal at all. True those have been M/p games, however the function of coding or signaling should be more powerful in those games in then in a merc game. But perhaps I am missing something.

Now I am not saying nor trying to defend either Eloth - Merrid I am just saying that people have begun to try to treat day 1 like it is in the same paranoia level as d-day when day 1 is not even in the hemisphere.

I apologize if this post seems a little like how to play mafia. But it is starting to get tiring to keep reading people asking if someone has to post like that due to a role or some other bullshit. Yes people there are roles like that but come on. Either they are announced at the beginning of the game (benses) or you are playing in a high TMDI (7+) where the moderator is trying out different ideas. If you are playing in a tradition merc game that is the next in a sequence then it is probably ok to assume that this game is moderately harder then the previous game in the cycle. Thus if this was shin's game 5 you could assume that there would be more unusual roles. But since this is only game 2, and shin said that it would only be a marginally higher tmdi then the first one. Which since this is a faction game I took to be that we would be playing in a faction game rather then a straight up town/scum game. So could we dispense with the thoughts that if someone is posting weird then that they are doing that because of a role and assume that they are doing that for their own amusement. Feel free to ignore them if you find that posting irritating.

I set that in the middle between the two paragraphs here I have bolded it and made it yellow. I also

Tulas Shorn, on 24 January 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

Okaros, on 24 January 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 24 January 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

The whole Eloth - Merrid connection seems to me to be role playing gone awol. But even then not really. I have noticed over the last several months that people just don't know how to react to role playing in a game. The usual reaction is to lynch the player. Which while moving the game forward, kind of ruins a big part of what mafia should be. The paranoia which people seem to view RPing which is only as a way for scum to code or to communicate seems to be way over board. Because lets face it. GH who has been scum for the past 3 games has not bothered to code or to try to signal at all. True those have been M/p games, however the function of coding or signaling should be more powerful in those games in then in a merc game. But perhaps I am missing something.

Now I am not saying nor trying to defend either Eloth - Merrid I am just saying that people have begun to try to treat day 1 like it is in the same paranoia level as d-day when day 1 is not even in the hemisphere.

I apologize if this post seems a little like how to play mafia. But it is starting to get tiring to keep reading people asking if someone has to post like that due to a role or some other bullshit. Yes people there are roles like that but come on. Either they are announced at the beginning of the game (benses) or you are playing in a high TMDI (7+) where the moderator is trying out different ideas. If you are playing in a tradition merc game that is the next in a sequence then it is probably ok to assume that this game is moderately harder then the previous game in the cycle. Thus if this was shin's game 5 you could assume that there would be more unusual roles. But since this is only game 2, and shin said that it would only be a marginally higher tmdi then the first one. Which since this is a faction game I took to be that we would be playing in a faction game rather then a straight up town/scum game. So could we dispense with the thoughts that if someone is posting weird then that they are doing that because of a role and assume that they are doing that for their own amusement. Feel free to ignore them if you find that posting irritating.

The amusing this is that we're not attacking Eloth for RP. We're attacking Eloth for what seems like a possible signaling and for being exceptionally uncooperative.

As Shelly said; if this had been about RP you would have been on the block and not Eloth.

Although I appreciate your attempt to find something to argue about to participate and all, I feel I must point out that it's wrong.

When that is said, RP never was widely accepted in our games. This mythical past where all was frolicking amongst fields of RP and flowers did in fact never exist.

I beg to differ. There was quite a long stretch were RPing on day one or rather the more well known version (spam) was the rule rather then the exception.

I have tried to make clear that what I am saying is in no way a attempt to distract from the lynch of either Eloth or Merrid but instead a note on how the last several games have progressed.

For the most part I believe that people have understood what I was trying to say and not assume that I was in any way attempting to defend either Eloth or Merrid. My small rant is based off of how people reacted to both my rping and to anyone elses rping.

Now I can appropriate you trying to figure out who is in what and belongs to whom. But really to try to say that my discussion was anything other then rping discussion is pretty much strawmanning for the sake of strawmaning...i.e you didn't like my posting in Japanese on the first day and would like to lynch me for it.

[Silanah]

Liosan, on 26 January 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

What things does it call attention too?

Quote

So, Lio, on no account did you think that either myself or Silanah can be on your team, seeing how eagerly you are vote-hopping around? Well, well, well, well, well... Interesting.
It is also great to see how soon you're scrambling away from anything looking like negative attention to your person. This post really does nothing to improve your position, you know.

^This is it, in a nutshell.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 26 January 2012 - 02:19 AM

[Shadow]

Well, to reiterate a post 1 or 2 away from the one you quoted..

Quote

3. Tulas Shorn definitely did a lot to defend Eloth, while at the same time insisting that he wasn't defending Eloth. Along with that, he wasn't on the train.

Tulas Shorn, on 24 January 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

The whole Eloth - Merrid connection seems to me to be role playing gone awol. But even then not really. I have noticed over the last several months that people just don't know how to react to role playing in a game. The usual reaction is to lynch the player. Which while moving the game forward, kind of ruins a big part of what mafia should be. The paranoia which people seem to view RPing which is only as a way for scum to code or to communicate seems to be way over board. Because lets face it. GH who has been scum for the past 3 games has not bothered to code or to try to signal at all. True those have been M/p games, however the function of coding or signaling should be more powerful in those games in then in a merc game. But perhaps I am missing something.

Now I am not saying nor trying to defend either Eloth - Merrid I am just saying that people have begun to try to treat day 1 like it is in the same paranoia level as d-day when day 1 is not even in the hemisphere.

I apologize if this post seems a little like how to play mafia. But it is starting to get tiring to keep reading people asking if someone has to post like that due to a role or some other bullshit. Yes people there are roles like that but come on. Either they are announced at the beginning of the game (benses) or you are playing in a high TMDI (7+) where the moderator is trying out different ideas. If you are playing in a tradition merc game that is the next in a sequence then it is probably ok to assume that this game is moderately harder then the previous game in the cycle. Thus if this was shin's game 5 you could assume that there would be more unusual roles. But since this is only game 2, and shin said that it would only be a marginally higher tmdi then the first one. Which since this is a faction game I took to be that we would be playing in a faction game rather then a straight up town/scum game. So could we dispense with the thoughts that if someone is posting weird then that they are doing that because of a role and assume that they are doing that for their own amusement. Feel free to ignore them if you find that posting irritating.

So, my reasons for suspecting you have nothing to do with RPing. I think you can get that out of the way, I atleast don't care.

My reasons are that you made a few post defending RPing, which also defended Eloth, while you insisted you weren't defending Eloth. Also, you weren't on the train.

[Tulas Shorn]

Merrid, on 25 January 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 25 January 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

Uji sucked his teeth, tutted and poured some more tea. Interpreting that as a sign of interest from the old innkeeper, Tsuyoshi continued. “Yes, times are going to become thin around here. The farmers are turned back to soldiers and I hear they’ve started fighting up North. Or maybe it was West? Probably both. Some border forts have been burned down and that’s sent troops swarming about like mad.
What’s more is those bastards the Takeda appear to be moving on the Ashikaga. Just like them to go and disturb the peace. And that’s sent the Uesugi and Miura scrambling to press their flank, trying to find an advantage. Or maybe it was the Fujiwari? Bah, it doesn’t matter which banner is on the field in the end.”
Uji smiled and bowed obsequiously. War had naught to do with his poor old inn.

Usubu Toyokuni rallied his men into a defense cordon and watched them steady against the next charge that was sure to come. He drew his sword, promising that as he died he’d take some of those bastard Takeda with him. He heard the conch blow, and turned to face the renewed teeth of the Takeda assault. “Ashikaaaaaagaaaaa” he roared as the first wave swarmed over his men.

Usubu Toyokuni of the Ashikaga (Osseric/twelve) is dead.

The war that had ignited first with the burning of forts along the contested lands between the Uesugi, Takeda and Miura was also waged in quiet rooms, far from any battlefield. The possibility of enemies becoming allies, or even vassals, kept many a spy and messenger in daily rice. There were some, however, who chose to honor their Allies even unto death.

No idea who Toyokuni is, sounds pretty minor.

"The possibility of enemies becoming allies, or even vassals" is scary - sounds like a recruiting mechanism.

This I totally agree with. It sounds very much like a recruiting mechanism. I believe someone else brought up secret alliances.

[Shadow]

Yes yes, we see that you insisted you weren't defending or derailing an Eloth lynch. But that doesn't change the fact that your position itself defended Eloth. It doesn't matter how much you insist you're not trying to do something. You were, in essence, doing so.

No need to fret, I don't think. You only have 1 vote, and Silly has quite a few.

Speaking of votes, I haven't placed mine. I'll be around a bit before lynch, so I'll just wait until then to lay one down.

[Liosan]

Shadow, on 26 January 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Yes yes, we see that you insisted you weren't defending or derailing an Eloth lynch. But that doesn't change the fact that your position itself defended Eloth. It doesn't matter how much you insist you're not trying to do something. You were, in essence, doing so.

No need to fret, I don't think. You only have 1 vote, and Silly has quite a few.

Speaking of votes, I haven't placed mine. I'll be around a bit before lynch, so I'll just wait until then to lay one down.

Wait, since when did you know that Silanah has multiple votes and that TS only has 1? Sounds like you're their clan leader or something.

[Tulas Shorn]

Shadow, on 26 January 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

Well, to reiterate a post 1 or 2 away from the one you quoted..

Quote

3. Tulas Shorn definitely did a lot to defend Eloth, while at the same time insisting that he wasn't defending Eloth. Along with that, he wasn't on the train.

Tulas Shorn, on 24 January 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

The whole Eloth - Merrid connection seems to me to be role playing gone awol. But even then not really. I have noticed over the last several months that people just don't know how to react to role playing in a game. The usual reaction is to lynch the player. Which while moving the game forward, kind of ruins a big part of what mafia should be. The paranoia which people seem to view RPing which is only as a way for scum to code or to communicate seems to be way over board. Because lets face it. GH who has been scum for the past 3 games has not bothered to code or to try to signal at all. True those have been M/p games, however the function of coding or signaling should be more powerful in those games in then in a merc game. But perhaps I am missing something.

Now I am not saying nor trying to defend either Eloth - Merrid I am just saying that people have begun to try to treat day 1 like it is in the same paranoia level as d-day when day 1 is not even in the hemisphere.

I apologize if this post seems a little like how to play mafia. But it is starting to get tiring to keep reading people asking if someone has to post like that due to a role or some other bullshit. Yes people there are roles like that but come on. Either they are announced at the beginning of the game (benses) or you are playing in a high TMDI (7+) where the moderator is trying out different ideas. If you are playing in a tradition merc game that is the next in a sequence then it is probably ok to assume that this game is moderately harder then the previous game in the cycle. Thus if this was shin's game 5 you could assume that there would be more unusual roles. But since this is only game 2, and shin said that it would only be a marginally higher tmdi then the first one. Which since this is a faction game I took to be that we would be playing in a faction game rather then a straight up town/scum game. So could we dispense with the thoughts that if someone is posting weird then that they are doing that because of a role and assume that they are doing that for their own amusement. Feel free to ignore them if you find that posting irritating.

So, my reasons for suspecting you have nothing to do with RPing. I think you can get that out of the way, I atleast don't care.

My reasons are that you made a few post defending RPing, which also defended Eloth, while you insisted you weren't defending Eloth. Also, you weren't on the train.

If you think that I was defending Eloth then by that light I could have been defending Merrid. They both spoke Korean. When I actually wasn't defending either one. I wasn't on the train because I didn't realize how little time was left and had to go home. If I had known I would have laid down a vote. But you can say that is easy to say and hard to prove. Which is true. But that is what happened. As it turned out my vote wasn't needed nor was several who thought that they had voted on the train.

Since when is getting on a train any indication (on day one only) of what team a person is on. By that definition

Fener, Kessobahn, Korlat,, Silanah Osseric, Tiamatha, Atrahal, Sorrit, Olar Ethil

all of these other players should be assumed to be a member of Uesugi.

[Tulas Shorn]

Liosan, on 26 January 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

Shadow, on 26 January 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

Yes yes, we see that you insisted you weren't defending or derailing an Eloth lynch. But that doesn't change the fact that your position itself defended Eloth. It doesn't matter how much you insist you're not trying to do something. You were, in essence, doing so.

No need to fret, I don't think. You only have 1 vote, and Silly has quite a few.

Speaking of votes, I haven't placed mine. I'll be around a bit before lynch, so I'll just wait until then to lay one down.

Wait, since when did you know that Silanah has multiple votes and that TS only has 1? Sounds like you're their clan leader or something.

Path-Shaper, on 26 January 2012 - 01:26 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 12 Hours and 46 minutes Left.

18 Players still alive: Atrahal, Fener, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korlat, Korvalain, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn

10 Votes to Lynch. 9 to go to night.

1 Vote Tulas Shorn: Sheltatha Lore
4 Votes Silanah: Atrahal, Korvalain, Liosan, Kessobahn
2 Votes Liosan: Galayn Lord, Fener

Players not voting: Karatallid, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Shadow, Silanah, Sorrit, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn