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Warning: guy-got-lynched-whining

Holy shit I hate finders. Adding finders to a mafia game is adding dog turds to a sushi plate. We did it originally to help the innos win from time to time, but like fucking fungus they never went away. And with a CF on top of that, it's like adding machine guns and diplomatic immunity to a rugby game.


You don't NEED finders. Look at Emurlahn, he was obviously a leader from day 1. Without the finders on my ass I could maybe have worked out a lynch. Look at Okaros, the mistake he made answering to Meanas' slip. Finders destroyed Tiamantha, who was having a great game. Finders puts fake cases on thread like Silanah's and everyone fake-agrees, this is not mafia.

Urgh

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That said, that's not a complaint about the game itself, D'rek.

Honestly, I having modded a few games, I can't believe the amount of care, organisation and effort you're putting here for our entertainment. Fantastic, thank you so much.

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Anyways, I'm improving as a a leader in faction games. Normally I get lynched on day 2.

Honestly, two roles for which I suck major balls: killer and leader. I also hate them (unless there's no finder around, but that never happens anymore), but I'm not sure of the cause-and-consequence link

I will go read the thread and the SH now. I saw that dktorode is the other barbarian, I'm not surprised, he's been cruising seriously this game.

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 Emurlahn, on 08 October 2011 - 02:55 AM, said:

Gotcha, weasel!

Best landing news ever

Go to hell, I sniffed your ass on day 1, and made a correct case on you without a find.

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 Path-Shaper, on 06 October 2011 - 08:53 PM, said:

Tennes, on 06 October 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

ok, Day 4 action

Move my fleet!!!!

I want everyone in Xin Du!!! Time to shove my sword up some Barbarian ass and then take Xia in the back side.

Awesome! Okay, stand by...

(well shit, wasn't expecting that!)

oooh, I'm so happy to read that.

That should take all those fuckers away from Ruse and Galain, no? I already saw all the killing provisionals for this night.

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Well, let's see how it goes.

Thyrllan's role is awesome, with the Forgery we designed, he even managed to trick Barghast, who is a PM If he tries with Emurlahn, like he felt like, I want to see Ment's face when he read it.

Apologies to my team, I made too many mistakes in this game:

1) I should have suppressed Yong An on night 1. Why the hell did I suppress my capital? There was only my team there. It was a clear brain fart, caused by the CF on Gamelon who made me lose it for a bit.
2) I should have moved to Tian Shui. I knew the empires had finders up the wazoo, I suspected the barbarians did not. I was anyways in range of their NKs. My old PM couldn't move and I would have lost off-thread convo, but we could have arranged a on thread code for him to tell me when to come back if he had important things to tell me. Or use Thyrllan as an in-between.
3) I should not have attacked Emurlahn. I was getting convinced that he was an Emperor, and since I had a BP, I assumed he also did, so lynching was the best way for me to get rid of him. I expected and calculated a bit of heat from his team, but what I didn't know is that the whole of the third team had a find on my ass. I really tried to defend from getting lynched but it was just too much.

One comment: we'll have to see how it goes, but that barbarian team, even if only three-man strong, is hugely powerful. Self-heal for the leader, they all know each other, two who can kill at night, that's one hell of a SWAT team.

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Wait, Khellendros is playing TWO alts?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha that's fantastic! What an idea.

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 Jump Around, on 08 October 2011 - 07:22 AM, said:

Well, let's see how it goes.

Thyrllan's role is awesome, with the Forgery we designed, he even managed to trick Barghast, who is a PM If he tries with Emurlahn, like he felt like, I want to see Ment's face when he read it.

Apologies to my team, I made too many mistakes in this game:

1) I should have suppressed Yong An on night 1. Why the hell did I suppress my capital? There was only my team there. It was a clear brain fart, caused by the CF on Gamelon who made me lose it for a bit.
2) I should have moved to Tian Shui. I knew the empires had finders up the wazoo, I suspected the barbarians did not. I was anyways in range of their NKs. My old PM couldn't move and I would have lost off-thread convo, but we could have arranged a on thread code for him to tell me when to come back if he had important things to tell me. Or use Thyrllan as an in-between.
3) I should not have attacked Emurlahn. I was getting convinced that he was an Emperor, and since I had a BP, I assumed he also did, so lynching was the best way for me to get rid of him. I expected and calculated a bit of heat from his team, but what I didn't know is that the whole of the third team had a find on my ass. I really tried to defend from getting lynched but it was just too much.

One comment: we'll have to see how it goes, but that barbarian team, even if only three-man strong, is hugely powerful. Self-heal for the leader, they all know each other, two who can kill at night, that's one hell of a SWAT team.

They only get 1 kill, it just alternates who gets to use it (and if both Champs die it goes to the warlord). Unlike the Xia, you guys were doing it exactly right - keep someone in Tian Shui and the barbarians can do nothing until they kill whoever is keeping them in there. The self-heal and knowing each other gives them some chance, but they don't have any finds so they have to do what you were talking about earlier and deduce who to kill from the thread itself, while the kingdom that's attacking them can find them and know exactly who they are, but that might take time too and furthermore the CO that finds them has to go to the Emperor to turn into an MO to kill them...

basically the barbarians, if you keep someone containing them, are a long-term nuisance that has to get lucky to hurt you (and given the emperor BPs, if they hit an emperor they'll assume it was a miss and go to another target) but will take a while to get rid of, too, tying you up while you are trying to deal with the other 2 kingdoms and possibly an usurper.

But, if you let them out like Xia they can run rampant around your capital and screw up your movement attempts, plus they get BPs and therefore become a much bigger threat.

At this point, though, I'm really hoping Morgy recruits Korlat and a Xia player or two so we have a very diverse bunch of secret Jin at war with each other. Plus Korlat+Karosis off-thread convo once she's been turned should be hilarious.

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I have to read through this SH thread in its entirety. Sorry JA too. I failed to anticipate the self-heal function on Okaros, and probably would have ended up NKing him forever. I still don't know how they targeted me so fast. On the one night when I was vulnerable.... Damn, pisses me off. I really hope the rest of our team can hold us together, but I am skeptical we have enough any more with the loss of 3 of our team... sigh. Proud to be your citizen m'lord.

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 Path-Shaper, on 06 October 2011 - 01:14 PM, said:

Night 3 NA graph now up and is a great example of how one Emperor can change EVERYTHING. I always wanted the Emperors to be at a sort of high, world-shaping position where they might not know the effects of their actions but a little whiff of their hand can change the course of history, again and again. Night 3 demonstrates this nicely - Osseric uses Suppress on Yong An, guarding the entire Yan dynasty, including 2 kills on Ruse and a kill towards Osseric himself, plus Tennes' illumination (and also Ruse's find). Love it.

Wow, I felt really shitty when I realized I had moved into enemy territory to kill a self-healing barbarian with no support from my people. Now I feel a little better knowing if JA had backed me up, we would have lost Ruse and let Tennes sneak in an illumination. Plus, guarding the entire Yan Dynasty, priceless .

Oh, and now I've read over everything in SH for the most part. Thank heavens for the weekend (even if I am procrastinating on hw....)

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Meanas, on 09 October 2011 - 01:48 PM, said:

Out of 5 - 1 being awful, 5 being pretty good - how do you rate my chances of not getting lynched tomorrow?

It's not enough for me to defend myself at this stage, I need to give them an even better target. Maybe I'll reveal that Barghast is the Yan PM But I assume that might be against the rules, morally bankrupt blah blah blah

I might need to make something up, though. Hmmm.

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Galain, on 08 October 2011 - 07:47 AM, said:

Also, since this might be a good spot for spoiler entries, now that the off-thread communications are, uh, dead:

I'm more and more convinced Emurlahn is part of a Warlord faction, due to his wilingness to take down anyone, and attack in every direction.

Sorrit might be in Meanas' faction, they could even be PM and Emperor, though I'm largely convinced that Barghast is a PM or Emperor. But Sorrit's bull-rush to derail the increasing momentum on a Meanas lynch was pretty obvious. I'm surprised no-one called them out on it.

I'll have to go back over it to see who it was, but it wasn't just Thyrllan who gave theirselves away as Lu by quickly tossing votes onto Meanas in regrettably obvious support of Osseric.

On the positive side - that is, the side that says might faction isn't fucked - Meanas will probably be up for a lynch next Day. I'm just waiting for someone to slip up ... and wondering how we can have so many very, very low posters so late in the game, who haven't been called out on it. There's no way to gracefully bring that in to the conversation, but I'll try.

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Telas, on 08 October 2011 - 07:48 PM, said:

This whole relocation really fucks things up. I can hope that the barbarians of Gongsun Zan are stil hanging out in Xin Du or Luo Yang to give me a few more players to target. Still, it seems to me my chances of a positive hit were way higher before this ridiculous move north.

I'm trying to make sense of the massive patchwork that is this game. The added complexity of location makes it very very hard to find which players I can actually recruit. Not to mention the fact that 5 players in the game are immune to my powers at this point. Yet, I have not lost hope.

The notice accusing Osseric makes things a little confusing. Mockra, Sorrit and Barghast all seem to have shared position on day 3. Now, Barghast voted for Serc after it was revealed that he was of the Yan faction, and he was agressive towards Osseric from fairly early, so it seems logical that he would be a Ma Cao barbarian. If one is to believe his claim that he's been moving in Lu lands a barbarian alignment seems fairly probable. Silanah seems to also have been located in that position at the time considering her attack on Osseric. That makes 4 players all located in Yong An.

What intrigues me is Silanah's claim that Osseric was of the Yan faction. Why would she do that if she received the same note as the other three? It doesn't make sense as that might've been something others would've called her out on. I see three options here. 1) She worried that someone had previously investigated her and would realise that accusing someone of being the Lu emperor would make Silanah a recruit. 2) She did not in fact receive the notification but was until my recruit a member of the Lu faction, 3) She sent the notification but changed faction name to draw out the others on her tile.

The problem right now is that I'm having a hard time identifying the Yan faction. I've been looking at Korlat, there's something bugging me there.

Telas, on 09 October 2011 - 08:38 AM, said:

Well fuck me. I just realised that the vote list does no accurately represent the order people put down their votes.

Er, no, it should be correct. It messed up at one point but I went back and fixed it. If you see a specific instance of this let me know and I'll fix it.

Telas, on 09 October 2011 - 08:54 AM, said:

Man this really ruins things. Maybe half of my ideas in regards to faction distribution are based on voting patterns. Patterns which I've now come to realise are wrong. The only way to remedy this for me would be to go through the entire thread and log votes by hand, which I frankly cant be bothered to do.

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Korlat, on 09 October 2011 - 10:58 PM, said:

Kill Emurlahn this night


Might as well go for the throat, I am unsure where he will be on the board though, hopefully within reach. Although it is possible he is being protected, maybe likely, oh circles within circles Miss PS!

Noted, and no they are only squares, no circles...

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Kessobahn, on 10 October 2011 - 03:17 AM, said:

Heal Kessobahn

I want notices from Jiang Xia again.

You can't heal yourself...

Spy Network was noted.

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Hood, on 10 October 2011 - 03:22 PM, said:

Notice - Blocked kill on Xia Move NW

queued. I still have to do Dawn.

(beats me what the heck that is supposed to mean)

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Path-Shaper, on 10 October 2011 - 03:13 PM, said:

Block

- en route to Kill HP, your army was distracted by fake dust clouds
- your forces filled a ravine with debris to stop (Block) another army's advance

Silanah, on 10 October 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

Hmm, who would have blocked me... no fun. I want to wreak havok damnit. But that means I was also attacked? Jeebus, this is getting dangerous.

(Sil doesn't realize if someone had attacked her directly that'd have been a Duel!)

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Telas, on 10 October 2011 - 04:10 PM, said:

holy mother of zombie jesus.

Barghast and Meanas? I was sure they were on the same team but that the team in question was Ma Cao. Well, I had the right idea about the others at least.

Well, two recruits is pretty awesome. The illumination is not on the other hand. Shit.

Telas, on 10 October 2011 - 04:18 PM, said:

Hm, one of those guys should be recruitable. I wonder which one.

Also, couples now? This opens for some intriguing possibilities. If I manage not to be investigated right away I must take another look at the players Ive connected in my notes.

(pretty sure he means Mockra and Meanas, the pair he just recruited)

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Haha, I'm looking at the picture summary of last night and I see all of them fighting each other in the north. The barbarians were quiet last night, and Ruse moved within range. I'm not certain if he can make a good find/kill on one of them. I don't see what Thyrllan and Galain can do, even on thread.

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Tennes, on 10 October 2011 - 04:27 PM, said:

well, shit... looks like the usurper follows me around. maybe... not sure why else the same 6 people would be there and only 3 of them are mine. Hope that my generals pick up on that.

Telas, on 10 October 2011 - 04:41 PM, said:

A question. Will my recruits be able to block finds by the remaining Yan members?

Until you become an Emperor, your recruits will function as if they are still part of their former faction.

Silanah, on 10 October 2011 - 05:04 PM, said:

My apologies PS!

If those are both null, I would prefer.

Notice- Many blocks last night, I failed

On a side note, nice move by Tennes, now Yan know all their allies, I would assume.

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The results of the last night make me think this game is going to drag on for a LONG time. The two emperor's NAs pretty much guarantee there won't be any NKs in the North, and with Okaros self-healing the Lu are unlikely to get very far against the Ma Chao either. So we're going to be seeing one death per day for quite some time, at least until one of the factions manages to outmanoeuvre the other on thread. This gives Sima Yi more than enough time to recruit a large faction that I suspect will end up being the eventual winner, barring any slip ups that get him lynched.


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Right, I've resolved as best I can and processed all the Move requests that happened before the lynch (although I've just realised I got some of them wrong and several of the Yan faction should have successfully moved to Luo Yang. I thought because Omtose got there first, he would block any movement out, but then I noticed that according to his Role PM he doesn't block movement. Will correct this.). I haven't had time to paste all the PMs in thread though, will leave that for someone with more time.


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Oops.

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Well, I was close on the Telas thing at least. I knew he didn't fit into the Yan group, I just guessed he was a Warlord because of our location. But Sima Yi eh?