[worry]

Aaron Paul said the final 8 are good, and he was there to witness!

[Jakovasaurus]

AMC is showing every episode up till the August premier of the rest of season 5. They show five episodes every Friday night. They just started season 3.

It's been great to see the episodes from the beginning again to see the development of the characters. What a brilliantly written show. If it's not at the top of your list of best shows ever, there is something wrong with you. />

[Agraba]

Jakovasaurus, on 20 July 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

AMC is showing every episode up till the August premier of the rest of season 5. They show five episodes every Friday night. They just started season 3.

It's been great to see the episodes from the beginning again to see the development of the characters. What a brilliantly written show. If it's not at the top of your list of best shows ever, there is something wrong with you. />/>

It's my second favourite (The Wire being my first).

I am getting giddy about the new season. I really hope Hank starts a secret investigation (starting with taking a phone picture of Gale's writing on that book). Does he trust Gomez to work with him on this, and keep it under the rug?

Walt was probably lying to Skyler about getting out of the business. I hope she steps up and makes a move against him. Not one to threaten the family, obviously, but one to threaten his livelihood. She takes care of the books and controls the money, surely she could do something.

Finally, I hope Jesse finds out about some of the things Walter did (letting the girl choke, poisoning the boy). But at this point I feel like it's as futile as hoping Tavore finds out what she did to Felisin. It may have just become irrelevant.

[Jakovasaurus]

[Ceda Cicero]

Briar King, on 22 July 2013 - 01:19 AM, said:

Omg I want to see the Walt 52 shit!!!

Seriously, why can I not find a single fucking video clip on the interwebz of the episode 9 footage they showed at ComicCon?

[Ceda Cicero]

Briar King, on 23 July 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

The showed more or something? I hate them for showing 52 in S5 ep 1 and not saying a thing about it again for 8 ep lol !

Yeah at ComicCon they showed the first few minutes of ep 9, apparently going back to 52 Walt going to their house to retrieve the Ricin cig.

[Jakovasaurus]

Damn, I wish Aug. 11 was here already! This should get you pumped! If it doesn't proceed to the hospital immediately to have a professional check for a heart beat.

[Abyss]

A marathon of S5 eps 1-8 is running before the premiere, so i know what i'll be doing all glorious day on Aug 11.

I may, however, be a little sociopathic by 10pm. And possibly on meth. Or just tired... hard to call.

[Jakovasaurus]

Tonight's the night! And the feeling's right!

[Jakovasaurus]

OMG! The pie eating contest on the Starship Enterprise had me OTFL!!!! LMFAO..... Y-O-L-O !!!!!!!! (you only love one direction)

[Defiance]

Holy shit...

So my prediction about how it would open is pretty close to correct.

Spoiler

And damn...this show never stops amazing me. I thought they'd have the Hank-Walt stuff play out for a few weeks before realization struck, but no. The driveway scene and the garage scene were so fucking great. And Jesse driving throwing out the money, Badger and Skinny Pete....aaaah just such an awesome episode. Fucking love this show!

[Agraba]

I've only seen a few episodes of Star Trek, but Badger's proposal episode sounds better than any of them. I love Badger, he's my second favourite character besides Hector Salamanca.

I love how in that last scene, Walter was just being Walter the whole time, telling Hank to get his bearing straight, and then a little bit of Heisenberg leaks out at the end.

What's up with the guy from Phoenix? Walter basically makes him fire his chemist and production crew so he can distribute Walt's stuff instead, and also does that instead of selling him the methylamine. Now Walt has Lydia doing all his distribution, and it's like the Phoenix guy doesn't even exist any more. He's gotta be pissed. Maybe he's the one responsible for destroying Walt's house.

I was really mad at Hank for taking the book. When I saw that a year ago, the first thing I thought was that he should snap a picture of it with his phone or something, so Walter wouldn't catch on.

[Defiance]

I dunno if it's ever explicitly stated that Walt wasn't giving Declan any meth when he was shipping to the Czeck Republic. It's quite possible that he was selling in both places.

Given that distribution has slowed down now and the quality has become shit, I'm really wondering if this is going to come back and bite Walt in the ass. Todd needs to apply himself more.

I'm wondering how Walt is going to go about dealing with Hank. Covering his tracks at this point is going to be next to impossible, which leaves him with having to find a way to make Hank not go after him. Also, there's going to be hell to pay once Lydia/Declan/Todd's uncles find out that Hank (and sooner or later the DEA) is on to Walt.

I have a loose theory that Walt is going to get in touch with Todd's uncles again and tell them they need to find a way to make Hank think twice about what he's doing. Either on purpose or accident, Marie will end up dying. It'll also be in earlier in that episode, or in a previous one, when we find out Marie is pregnant - there was the mention of her taking prenatal vitamins "for her hair" at the end of S5E8...I think that's BS. She looked after Holly and Jr. for 3 months and quite possibly decided she wanted kids herself. Just a theory I have, a lot of people think Marie will live but I have a feeling she won't. It'll really up the stakes and solidify Hanks need to get Walt.

I also think Walter Jr. is going to die at some point. It's just about the only thing that would make Walt realize just what a colossal fuck-up he's created.

Jesse...god, I hope he gets through this and can make a decent life for himself. But it's not going to be hard to connect him to Walt, plus Jesse is depressed as hell. I have this dreadful feeling that he might end up committing suicide after seeing this episode. I really hope something happens to snap him out of his current mood. He needs to find something to do where he can spend his time helping others, specifically children in need.

I think Skyler will live. Possibly in jail, who knows. But contrary to most theories I see, I think she'll live through it.

Yeah, I'm way too obsessed with this show. Next Sunday is too far away...

[Jakovasaurus]

It's gotta happen. It will happen! LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN!

[worry]

That episode felt like it was half an hour long.

[Defiance]

That episode made me really uncomfortable (in a good way). The scenes with Skyler and Hank/Skyler and Marie were hard to watch.

Slower than last week's episode, but that's okay. This episode took the time to draw the lines, making damn sure we know who is siding with who.

Some thoughts:

It seems like, between all of the money he earned (storage scene in S5E8), his cancer coming back, and being found out by Hank, Walt has finally come to his senses about why he did all of this in the first place - for his kids.

Skyler siding with Walt is no surprise. She's hardly agreed with most of the stuff he has done, but she has stuck with him through the entire series. No reason she'd give him up now.

The two families are beyond reconciliation with one another.

I think this is the first episode where Jesse doesn't actually talk. I'm wondering if he's actually going to cooperate with Hank to ease his guilty conscience. It would make sense, given that the next episode is called "Confessions" and the following is called "Rabid Dog" - Jesse could be the rabid dog that needs to be put down, as he could very well screw up everything.

I'm glad they came back to Declan. It's great that the show isn't leaving any loose ends. I'm nervous about Lydia's buyer in the Czech Republic, though. I have a feeling that this could very well be the reason everything goes to shit. Lydia is going to do whatever she can to protect herself, same for Todd's uncles I'm sure. If they find out that Hank is on to Walt and Jesse, I can see them taking action. I'm thinking that maybe they end up killing Hank/some other members of Walt's family, and Walt is getting the M60 to go after them.

Another detail I like: the writers didn't dance around the fact that Hank's career is fucked.

Anyway, if the next six episodes keep (or even surpass) the quality of these first two, it's going to be one hell of a ride. It never ceases to amaze me how consistently good the writing for this show is.

[Agraba]

Well this episode may just put Lydia in Rank #1 for most ruthless character in the series (except maybe the guy who crashed the planes, but he's a funky exception). She was hassling Mike to kill nine guys just because they knew too much, and now she's willing to kill an entire organization of men because their meth just isn't quite up to code. When the Czech buyer isn't happy with Todd's yield, what kind of measures will she go through to get Walt/Jesse back? With the car wash scene in ep9, Lydia might get the idea that Skyler is the sole factor holding Walter back. Will she go after her?

One interesting thing to note - I checked Ep9 to see if the coordinates were still on Walter's fridge, and noticed that the fridge was absent. Granted, it would be pretty stupid for someone to remove a whole fridge just to get a piece of paper pinned on, and easily removed from it. Still, I checked it thinking "wouldn't that be a crucial thing for him to retrieve?" (It's also funny to note that the coordinates are in the form of selected numbers on a lottery ticked, but that ticket itself is probably worth more than an actual winning ticket.)

I really feel bad for Skyler after this episode. It was pretty clear in the past that Walt was putting her in a shitty position, but this is the shittiest position he has put her in yet. She's now forced to actively oppose Hank (incriminating herself in his eyes) and alienate herself from her sister, because of what she had to do to protect Walter. The baby scene was really hard to watch. It's not really surprising that she took his side, given she couldn't even tell the APD officer at her house before, and she has done several incriminating things since. But she had to do those things to protect her kids from Walter's bullshit, which is what makes me feel so bad for her. I have some fantasy about her and Jesse teaming up to get back at him for what he put them through, but that obviously won't happen.

Does Jesse still hate Hank for beating him up? How will that play in the interrogation? I was disappointed with the cliffhanger. I thought they would make a cliffhanger last episode with Hank closing the garage door, but was pleasantly surprised when they continued the scene. Not this time.

[Defiance]

Holy shit.

I can't even imagine where this is headed anymore. I was right about Jesse being the rabid dog, but at this point I'm terrified that he's going to be killed and it'll be a lot sooner than the finale. He knows how full of shit Walt is and he's far past the point of being talked down.

Walt's "confession" tape is pure evil genius. I was waiting to see him actually live up to telling Hank to "tread lightly."

These cliffhangers are killing me.

[Agraba]

New episode.

So Todd calls Walter to inform him of the "personnel shift". Why is he updating Walter on the business details? Is Walt still secretly taking a cut, without anybody knowing about it?

The more I watch Skyler, the worse I feel for her. She has been virtually trapped nearly the whole show, and now she's basically in the worst position she has ever been. She is implicated in Hank's eyes, he almost sees her as an equal criminal. The scene with her alone in that office spaced out really makes sense to me. She must hate Walter for what he put her through.

The video was hilarious. Especially the level of detail. The scary part about it, though, is how consistent it is with the events that transpired. Marie was kinda right about Hank being able to get a leg up by presenting the case to them first, but not with that treatment money. Hank was treated with what they already thought was illicit funds (from gambling money), so if they couldn't trust him on that front, that makes the video seem a lot more plausible.

So Jesse is going off the rails. Granted, it is because Walter is a horrible monster who manipulates Jesse by poisoning a little kid. Still, should he be burning down a house with a family living in it? He's not thinking of how it will affect the baby, which is a little uncharacteristic of Jesse who has a soft spot for kids. Still, it seems like it's coming to light how Walt's house gets wrecked. Plus in Jesse's current state, it wouldn't seem that surprising for him to spray paint "Heisenberg" on the wall.

But what will happen to the coordinates.... will they perish in the fire?

I think my favourite scene this episode was the desert. I liked how Jesse called Walter on his bullshit there. Still I'm trying to fathom that hug. Was Walter saying "shut up and try and understand that you're family and I love you"? I mean, Jane's dad seemed to steer Walter towards the thought process that Jesse is family and needs to be looked after... does he still see it that way?

This post has been edited by Agraba: 26 August 2013 - 05:15 AM

[Defiance]

People who say that Walt doesn't give a shit about Jesse are full of it. Walt has had so many chances to kill Jesse, and he's had quite a few reasons to do so. However, he's never done it, and I don't believe he's ever considered it. In his own twisted little way, Walt feels like a father to Jesse. It's a different kind of relationship than with Junior, though. Walt feels like he owns Jesse. I think there was both manipulation and caring in that hug. Jesse is on to Walt's bullshit, and Walt is smart enough to know that continuing to talk wouldn't have made things better. But he also sees what a wreck Jesse has become, and he doesn't want that.

That might be out the window now, though. I'm not sure Walt would pull the trigger the moment he saw him, but if it's between him and Jesse he's definitely going to pick himself. Also, even if Jesse does start a fire I don't think it'll do all that much. If you watch the cold opener in episode 9 (or 1, if you view this as season 6), his house clearly wasn't consumed by a fire. That said, Jesse could definitely tear some shit up before being interrupted by something (Junior coming home, maybe? Who knows). Ultimately, I think that this is just a distraction from whatever is really going to wreck the shit out of Walt's house - Lydia/Todd and his uncles, is my guess.

I find it funny that Skyler is the one person Walt can't lie to. For everyone else, his lies are convincing as hell, but when he lies to her it's incredibly awkward (like when he came to the car wash to get the gun).

Skyler and Jesse are kindred spirits at this point. They've both been used and broken by Walt and are now suffering in their own private hell. I really hope Jesse doesn't get killed next episode. I'm going to shed manly tears if/when he's killed off. And about him going off the rails: you're right, he's not think about Walt's family, but is that any surprise at this point? He's fucking enraged right now, and it's going to take other members of Walt's family walking in on him to make him realize how what he's doing is going to hurt more than just Walt.

About Todd informing Walt: maybe it's just a courtesy call. Todd has a lot of respect for Mr. White, as we saw in the opening when he was retelling the train robbery to his uncles. Maybe he's trying to be nice, or thinks Walt still wants to keep up with the business.