[twelve]

I don't know what Vengeance was trying to pull but it looks like it worked out okay for Town. Ansible is finally out in the open the two finders can work together. They have the field of suspects down to 4? (I think). Though they are looking at the wrong player. Kurt is playing it very good. If Roldom is lynched then let's see if Kurt can survive another lynch. If he can get two more wrong lynches then I'm 100% sure that scum will win. If town gets him in the next vote after Roldom I think the game will still be about 50/50

[Path-Shaper]

twelve, on 19 July 2011 - 06:52 PM, said:

I don't know what Vengeance was trying to pull but it looks like it worked out okay for Town. Ansible is finally out in the open the two finders can work together. They have the field of suspects down to 4? (I think). Though they are looking at the wrong player. Kurt is playing it very good. If Roldom is lynched then let's see if Kurt can survive another lynch. If he can get two more wrong lynches then I'm 100% sure that scum will win. If town gets him in the next vote after Roldom I think the game will still be about 50/50

Yeah, Kurt is doing an excellent job of avoiding consideration amongst all the "quiet players". They'll get him eventually, but he's making them lynch the other quiet players first.

ansible, on 19 July 2011 - 04:42 PM, said:

I guess since night is resolved instantly I can't put in a provisional like, "If MH is lynched, find [player], otherwise, do nothing" ? If that's true then do nothing for now.

That's right. You can base a provisional on who gets lynched, but not on the CF of it.

Vengeance, on 19 July 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

Boring game, just became a lot less boring. Now MH will think that he has a symp and the other finder might get off his ass and counter reveal. But it had reached a level of stupidity that I couldn't handle.

Veeeeerrrry interesting

Vengeance, on 19 July 2011 - 05:47 PM, said:

I am still debating whether or not to say that I was faking when the other finder reveals. I probably will. But if they don't reveal today then I probably won't.


In a small critic. The early stages of this game are to boring. Nobody is dying and town doesn't really have a reason to lynch.

I agree, I really wasn't anticipating this to be drawn out so much. If I could re-build the game I'd probably put a very sparse kill in (once every 2 or 3 days maybe?) just to motivate town to get their ass into gear sooner, but OTOH that means they can't depend on the finds if they want to. Really I guess the problem is just that you guys bickered so much and couldn't agree on a course of action so day timed out 3 times. If enough of you had agreed you could vote night or vote to lynch (repeatedly) and it would've gone faster.

Kurt Montandon, on 19 July 2011 - 06:14 PM, said:

Oh my ... I'm positive I'm the only scum in the game ... and yet we still somehow have a fake Finder reveal. Wow.

There's got to be something more going on.

I'll stick with Ment, Tattersail (who might not be a real Finder), and GH in that order as my successors. Ment will likely get re-investigated rather quickly by whatever real Finders are out there, once I'm gone. And hopefully not just lynched as being the first person cleared (I think one of the actual Finders is going to get lynched, now that we've got three revealing where there should only be two).

It's just bad luck I'll probably get lynched instead of FK'd. I thought I was suspicious enough in my relative absence and non-contributing play to get a Find on me by now.

Kurt Montandon, on 19 July 2011 - 06:54 PM, said:

Hell with it, one last change.

Venge
Ment
GH

Since Venge is almost a lock to get Found tonight to verify his fake reveal was just to get another Finder to reveal. If I get lynched, Roldom is the other lock to get Found, but I think the FKs will try to coordinate to avoid overlap. This is kind of an obvious move and it'll be anticipated, but it has a good chance of working. And maybe if Venge survives the Night, he can get one of the real Finders lynched by claiming he wasn't fake revealing, or something.

Sounds like a plan

[twelve]

This is the second game in a row that I've played with Kurt. I'm very impressed by his game play both times.

[Path-Shaper]

Vengeance, on 19 July 2011 - 07:56 PM, said:

Don't look at me. I told them to lynch and have voted for someone every day, Except for the weekend. I am never here for those. But now that Ansible has revealed perhaps we can get on with the game.

[twelve]

What the hell? How did it get turned back onto Kurt so quickly? Damn!!! Town might have a shot at this after all.

[Path-Shaper]

twelve, on 19 July 2011 - 09:38 PM, said:

What the hell? How did it get turned back onto Kurt so quickly? Damn!!! Town might have a shot at this after all.

Well it seems pretty even between Roldom and Kurt for now. If they do knock off Roldom, that'll be quite a poor waste considering how the finds have narrowed down the targets...

[twelve]

Yeah even if they lynch Roldom it's almost a forgone conclusion that Kurt will be the next to go unless Kurt can redirect the heat back to Khell or Shin. If he manages that he gets my vote for player of the game. But even still he's put scum in a decent position if he can hold off being lynched before Roldom to win.

[twelve]

Roldom. Thanks for backing me up earlier with my finder reveals and voting for night senarios.Town finally ended up where I wanted them to be, with the finders revealed narrowing the field and then getting a lynch for MH... That is if they go and lynch Kurt after they realize they made a mistake by lynching you.

[Path-Shaper]

Kurt Montandon, on 19 July 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 19 July 2011 - 10:50 PM, said:

Kurt Montandon, on 19 July 2011 - 10:30 PM, said:

Oh my God, and now they might actually not lynch me ... and I haven't done shit to avoid the rope.

Guess I'm not gonna be well hung after all.

Excuse me, I think I need to piss myself laughing.

Lol, enjoy it, but looks like you'll be next thereafter...

Yeah, but that's a good thing. If I haven't been Found by now, I'm not going to be, so best for the obvious lynch, so that they have to start with the suspicions all over again.

This is a game where the scum need to die early to get the FK ball rolling - too many Innos die too soon without at least one or two FKs, and it makes later targeted FKs too easy.

Sort of. If the town really wants though, they'll just vote night repeatedly until they do FK you. As you pointed out earlier, drawing the FKs early is helpful in trying to deplete them early, making the finders not-PI and forcing town to lynch later on. OTOH, if you're going to get lynched instead of FKed you want to take as many innos down as possible before you do (which you seem to be pulling off well in this case)

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 19 July 2011 - 11:02 PM

[twelve]

I get to rag on ansible some more

ansible, on 19 July 2011 - 11:04 PM, said:

Grief, on 19 July 2011 - 11:00 PM, said:

Still, I'd say that we're doing fairly well. There are 2 scum at the moment(rebel MH and original), and we've narrowed both down to 3 people.

This is interesting... I still think there is some disagreement on whether there is one MH or two. I have to say I originally interpreted the OP as there being two, but I could see it only being one as well...

The thing is, if there ARE two, and we've narrowed it down to 3 people right now... When we hit MH, only one jump will occur. Which means, out of those 2 people left, one of them would still be MH, even though the rest of our information has reset...

Ergo, we would need to keep lynching from this pool of 3 players until we hit MH twice (which would be so, so fucking nice...). That would give town considerably better odds to hit one more lynch target before resorting to finds.

If he really thinks that Shin or Khell are the successors and then steers town to lynch those two after they lynch Kurt then town is in deep shit.

[Path-Shaper]

Grief, on 20 July 2011 - 12:37 AM, said:

Could we get a clarification about the role of the rebel MH, and whether "also is Meng Huo" actually means "also is Meng Huo" in the sense that actions that work on Meng Huo work on him, or if it means "also is Meng Huo" in the sense that he actually isn't Meng Huo when it comes to finds.

I suspect I know the answer but apparently it's confusing.

"Anyone who (also) is Meng Huo will be found in finds." <-- this statement is true with or without the also.

[Path-Shaper]

twelve, on 19 July 2011 - 11:19 PM, said:

I get to rag on ansible some more

ansible, on 19 July 2011 - 11:04 PM, said:

Grief, on 19 July 2011 - 11:00 PM, said:

Still, I'd say that we're doing fairly well. There are 2 scum at the moment(rebel MH and original), and we've narrowed both down to 3 people.

This is interesting... I still think there is some disagreement on whether there is one MH or two. I have to say I originally interpreted the OP as there being two, but I could see it only being one as well...

The thing is, if there ARE two, and we've narrowed it down to 3 people right now... When we hit MH, only one jump will occur. Which means, out of those 2 people left, one of them would still be MH, even though the rest of our information has reset...

Ergo, we would need to keep lynching from this pool of 3 players until we hit MH twice (which would be so, so fucking nice...). That would give town considerably better odds to hit one more lynch target before resorting to finds.

If he really thinks that Shin or Khell are the successors and then steers town to lynch those two after they lynch Kurt then town is in deep shit.

Yup. Can't believe this 1/2/3 Meng Huos issue is coming up again. Maybe if they do it enough they'll get an enormous angry rant from Vengy, though, so there's that to look forward to.

[twelve]

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Idiots!!!!! The lot of them!!!!!!!!

I'm going to have to stop reading the thread.

I can't stand it anymore.

I know that I have insider info now but I had it figured out other than who was MH and the last finder before I was lynched. I thought they would get it right when they had it narrowed down between Roldom and Kurt but noooo they went the wrong path and now two players they had in the clear are now getting significant heat.



Kurt if either Shin or Khell get lynched over you then you are the man and everyone else needs their heads examined. Grief, ansible and Khell especially. Even Tat recently has said things recently that make me wonder what is wrong with you people?

[Path-Shaper]

Kurt Montandon, on 20 July 2011 - 08:09 AM, said:

Well, if they vote off Shinrei this Day and don't Find me in the following Night, I'm going to seriously consider revealing, and in the most contemptuously mocking way possible.

I mean, we're talking "wave it in their fucking face and then slap them with my dick" deep on the reveal. Because I actually think it'll be best to reveal and WIFOM them sideways, to lay groundwork for my successor - because I don't think this game could or should be won by the initial bad guy. Hell, I might even do it if I'm about to be lynched ... because they'll have no friggin' clue who to go after next. I'm pretty sure I've dropped enough counter-clues that I don't think there's a Symp that they'll be forced to conclude there is, or that there's a second detectable MH.

DO IT!!! I want to see!!!

[twelve]

As do I.

[Path-Shaper]

Bad move by town, they should've stalled to let the finders get their actions in... oh well, I guess they can vote night.

[Path-Shaper]

Oh noes they're going to vote Khell out! I don't know if it's from Kurt's wifoming or just their delusions of 2 MHs, but this is going to hurt them!

[Path-Shaper]

Kurt, when you get there those reveal and old spice posts were amazing!

[Kurt Montandon]

I would've tried to get them lynch Kell, but at that late point I honestly don't think they would've - he'd been too much of a contributor thus far.

So, best to go out with noise, and wifom them as much as possible. I mean, Kell's going to get lynched anyways, so it didn't matter what order me and him were in.

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ansible, on 20 July 2011 - 06:32 PM, said:

Find Grief

Noted.