[Galain]

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:28 AM, said:

that was... interesting,

Pretty straight-forward, though. Serc was really a finder.

No idea about the guy on a silver horse. Given that it was a lynch, it's unlikely to be a useful clue.

[Emurlahn]

you don't find it strange that we needed an extra vote to hammer her?

[Galain]

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:33 AM, said:

you don't find it strange that we needed an extra vote to hammer her?

I couldn't tell if that was because it was necessary, or because P-S wasn't immediately available.

But if there is "Negate Vote" action out there, we've got no idea who it was applied to.

[Kessobahn]

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 04:34 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:33 AM, said:

you don't find it strange that we needed an extra vote to hammer her?

I couldn't tell if that was because it was necessary, or because P-S wasn't immediately available.

But if there is "Negate Vote" action out there, we've got no idea who it was applied to.

I'm curious as to why it is a 'negate vote' action, compared to something like a specific role not having a vote?

[Emurlahn]

true.

though I have an untestable suggestion. the usurper's vote may not count.



that however, is wild speculation.


the fact that PS posted "12 votes to lynch. 12 votes for Tia " twice within a 10 minute interval did strike me as a "hint-hint" type thing.

but that's just me.

[Kaschan]

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 04:34 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:33 AM, said:

you don't find it strange that we needed an extra vote to hammer her?

I couldn't tell if that was because it was necessary, or because P-S wasn't immediately available.

But if there is "Negate Vote" action out there, we've got no idea who it was applied to.

Huh, just getting back and it was pretty obvious another vote was needed.

Path-Shaper, on 06 October 2011 - 04:07 AM, said:

It is 227 AD. 2 hours and 32 minutes remaining
23 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Meanas ( Emurlahn )
12 Votes for Tiamatha ( Osseric, Tennes, Sheltatha Lore, Galain, Mockra, Sorritt, Karosis, Kessobahn, Rashan, Silanah, Okaros, Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Kaschan, Korlat, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Telas, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

Followed by

Path-Shaper, on 06 October 2011 - 04:23 AM, said:

It is Day 3. 2 hours and 16 minutes remaining
23 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

13 Votes for Tiamatha ( Osseric, Tennes, Sheltatha Lore, Galain, Emurlahn, Mockra, Sorritt, Karosis, Kessobahn, Rashan, Silanah, Okaros, Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Kaschan, Korlat, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Telas, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

---

etc.

[Kaschan]

That was a quicker hammer than I had expected in any case. I was planning on being around the next hour or so to see if one was needed, but I was beaten to it.

[Kessobahn]

Here is the most recent train, which needed 13/12 votes

13 Votes for Tiamatha ( Osseric, Tennes, Sheltatha Lore, Galain, Emurlahn, Mockra, Sorritt, Karosis, Kessobahn, Rashan, Silanah, Okaros, Hood's Path )

Here is the day 2 lynch, which needed 13/13

13 Votes for Serc ( Sorritt, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Osseric, Telas, Kessobahn, Meanas, Okaros, Emurlahn, Tennes, Barghast, Atrahal, Korlat )

And here is the day 1 lynch, which also needed 13/13

13 Votes for Gamelon ( Osseric, Ruse, Kessobahn, Silanah, Galain, Karosis, Sorritt, Emurlahn, Barghast, Korlat, Omtose, Okaros, Atrahal )

Mockra, Rashan, and Hood's Path did not vote in the two 'normal' lynches but did vote in this one.

How interesting.

[Emurlahn]

Kaschan, on 06 October 2011 - 04:43 AM, said:

That was a quicker hammer than I had expected in any case. I was planning on being around the next hour or so to see if one was needed, but I was beaten to it.

D'rek annaounced she was going to sleep.
so we hammered.

[Kaschan]

Yeah I see that now.

On the idea that Sima Yi's vote doesn't count, I can't see how that would work balance wise. Checking the trains, as Kesso did, is way too easy a way to be able to pick out cult IMO. I could see recruits not counting, or counting half, but that leads us nowhere at his point.

[Kaschan]

Actually, no I couldn't see recruits counting less for the same reasons. Meh, I better get some sleep.

[Emurlahn]

hence me saying is was wild spec.

I suppose we'll have to wait till morning to move on

[Kessobahn]

So I'm thinking the only roles that I could see not having a vote count are the Warlords, the Usurper, the Empress (speculated role), and possibly the Emperor of the faction the person belongs too, although that one might be a long shot. I find it interesting that Kaschan, Telas, and Thyrllan have not yet voted on a lynch, and we had one person who had a non-counting vote on this train. I'm honestly thinking the Warlords and their Champions votes do not count... That would be 4 people, 2 warlords and 2 champions...

[Emurlahn]

Kessobahn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:59 AM, said:

So I'm thinking the only roles that I could see not having a vote count are the Warlords, the Usurper, the Empress (speculated role), and possibly the Emperor of the faction the person belongs too, although that one might be a long shot. I find it interesting that Kaschan, Telas, and Thyrllan have not yet voted on a lynch, and we had one person who had a non-counting vote on this train. I'm honestly thinking the Warlords and their Champions votes do not count... That would be 4 people, 2 warlords and 2 champions...

such a setup could make endgame really complicated, though. provided the barbs survived that long.

[Okaros]

So much to catch up on. You know Emur, when I said please post follow ups I was just kidding. Great posts though, and I think the connection between Osserc and Meanas seems legit. I'll make some comments.

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 01:14 AM, said:

oops, pressed "post by mistake.

day 2 continued. to recap:

Meanas voted Serc, citing me and Tiam as likely to be next.

Osseric spoke up against Tiam. Ruse votes Tiam. votes are fairly evenly spread. Osseric votes Tiam.


more votes pile up on serc. a few go to tiam, prior to the big reveal at post 412

Silanah gets on to vote Tiam.

Tiam shows up, a back and forth with Serc ensues.

Mockra and Galain vote Tiam votes are 11 for serc, 9 for tiam.

a few people remove Tiam votes. looks like we're talking before a hammer on serc. Omtose puts him at L-1

Tiam produces a Mockra case. puts Serc at L-2



Ossric shows up, sees the reveal. solution? lynch them both!

Osseric, on 04 October 2011 - 06:59 AM, said:

Well, paranoid dementia aside, the solution is clear.

They're both lying, we'll find out by lynching one of them.

Serc gave a real find, it still doesn't mean he's not Gamelon's Emperor. We'll find out by lynching him.

remove vote

vote Serc


One more question I have: If Serc is a real finder, why didn't he reveal Tiam as a powerful role, even as a lie? If he's honest on thread, he knows her faction, so unless he has reasons to keep her alive he can just lie and say "she's the Usurper!". We might lynch him first, see he's a finder from the CF, then go for Tiam after, and later find out he was lying about her. Serc can snigger in spoiler heaven that he brought an opponent down with him. As of now, he's basically defending her.

Meanas agrees: in the

Meanas, on 04 October 2011 - 07:54 AM, said:

Wow, lots has been happening since I last posted I see. But...I think I'll keep my vote where it is. I don't doubt Serc's reveal of Tiamatha's identity actually, but Tiam at least becomes a known quantity then, and we can even roughly guess where they are on the map. Serc, however, is still an unknown. No, I no longer think that Serc is an Emperor, so the case on him pretty much goes out of the window, but there is the possibility that they are a more powerful role than Tiam.

The voters on Serc are in a somewhat impossible situation themselves. There is the risk that Serc is in my faction, of course, but to switch now would get others guessing on what faction I am in, and I don't want that so early in the game.

This new case of Tiam's on Mockra....I bet when Mockra was asking for other suspects, they weren't expecting Tiam to pull them out However, it strikes me that the case is built on Mockra's interaction with Tiamatha and not a lot else - it just makes it seem as if Tiam got aggravated by Mockra's calls for other suspects (and it is a little annoying, if Mockra is so unsure about the two in front of them, then why not say who they themselves are suspicious of?) and decided that 'aggravating' and 'suspicious' amount to the same thing. It's something to keep in mind, but the CF of whoever is lynched may throw up other leads also.

some discussion and a back and forth between Kesso and osseric ensues, in the end, Kesso hammers Serc.



Day 2 summary.

essentially, at this point, we have had several players emerge as "authorities" in the game. these are Sorritt, Osseric, and to a lesser extent, Meanas. they are early on trains, and they are followed on trains a lot. Sorrit has been involved in making cases on each of the likely lynchees so far. Osseric and Meanas are being followed by Ruse and Silanah. Osseric and Meanas seem to have nearly identical reasoning. in everything.

Also, to note: both Osseric and Meanas submitted the "serc, then tiam, then emur" lynch strategy at the beginnig of day 2. if nothing else, anyone reading htis should wonder why they are being led so as not to even consider another option so far.

Worse than these interactions is that there is the suggestion that Oss and Meanas lined up the lynch targets. For some reason that just irks me. I would wonder which of the bunch is leading though.

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 03:40 AM, said:

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 03:29 AM, said:

i'll be around untill the end of the day.

anyone has more thoughs on my case?

Also, a Meanas vote coming from you has shades of a very elaborate OMGUS, given that he's the one who pointed out a possible code from you.

at this time, I can vote either one of the three of Sorritt, Osseric, or Meanas.


the fact that you still cling on to that typo is telling in itself.

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 03:42 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 03:40 AM, said:

the fact that you still cling on to that typo is telling in itself.

I never said I thought it was a code.

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 03:46 AM, said:

Well ... does anyone object if I hammer while P-S might still be around?

With only a little more than three hours left, and so many votes needed, the possibility of getting a different lynch is practically nil.

Galain did a poor job handling this situation. Once called upon defending the typo, he then denies that he thought it was a code, after claiming that it was a code... (for some people??). Confusing. Then he promptly changes the subject and drops the necessary vote for the lynch. I'm not sure what to make out from those posts made by PS, but they did seem to indicate that one of those votes did not count for whatever reason. Galain's quick defense of Meanas seems rash, and if I didn't know better I think Emur may have drawn him out to defend his (that is, Galain's) superior.

edit: clarified that Galain could be Meanas' underling within parentheses.

This post has been edited by Okaros: 06 October 2011 - 05:03 AM

[Galain]

Kaschan, on 06 October 2011 - 04:53 AM, said:

Yeah I see that now.

On the idea that Sima Yi's vote doesn't count, I can't see how that would work balance wise. Checking the trains, as Kesso did, is way too easy a way to be able to pick out cult IMO. I could see recruits not counting, or counting half, but that leads us nowhere at his point.

This is part of the reason why I figure it's an action - it'd be possible to triangulate whose vote didn't count, at least after enough lynches.

On the flip side, it's a pretty large game, so it's not necessarily easy to do that triangulation, with so many people voting. So it's not a particularly deducible disadvantage for a player if their vote doesn't count, they can hide in the crowd.

[Kessobahn]

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 05:02 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:59 AM, said:

So I'm thinking the only roles that I could see not having a vote count are the Warlords, the Usurper, the Empress (speculated role), and possibly the Emperor of the faction the person belongs too, although that one might be a long shot. I find it interesting that Kaschan, Telas, and Thyrllan have not yet voted on a lynch, and we had one person who had a non-counting vote on this train. I'm honestly thinking the Warlords and their Champions votes do not count... That would be 4 people, 2 warlords and 2 champions...

such a setup could make endgame really complicated, though. provided the barbs survived that long.

Remember that they are attacking hordes, not political contenders for the throne, which I could see meaning they would have to kill their way onto that lofty seat.

[Emurlahn]

Okaros, if you look at that post where you asked for a followup posts, in the post directly above it, I said "i'll go get the quotes, brb".



just so happens that i've dealt with the difficult part of my week (sunday-tuesday), and in the latter half of the week I actually have time to play properly.

[Emurlahn]

Kessobahn, on 06 October 2011 - 05:04 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 05:02 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:59 AM, said:

So I'm thinking the only roles that I could see not having a vote count are the Warlords, the Usurper, the Empress (speculated role), and possibly the Emperor of the faction the person belongs too, although that one might be a long shot. I find it interesting that Kaschan, Telas, and Thyrllan have not yet voted on a lynch, and we had one person who had a non-counting vote on this train. I'm honestly thinking the Warlords and their Champions votes do not count... That would be 4 people, 2 warlords and 2 champions...

such a setup could make endgame really complicated, though. provided the barbs survived that long.

Remember that they are attacking hordes, not political contenders for the throne, which I could see meaning they would have to kill their way onto that lofty seat.

still, balancing that must have been a nightmare, if it's true.

[Osseric]

Emurlahn, on 05 October 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

secondly: a lot of you seem to think i'm Xia. more power to you. since you do think that, i'll play along and tell you why it's a bad idea to vote Xia.

the game had 25 players.

3 families, 2 warlords, and the usurper.


now, keep in mind, this game was designed a while ago, before we played the tales. so, the final showdown was always going to feature 3 kingdoms + the usurper.
if the usurper is a 1 man faction, we would be looking at 3 families, 8 man strong.

however, the warlords were added, because the Xia and the Lu lost their minis. thus, the warlord factions were "carved out" of their allotment of players. meaning, they started out with 5-6 players each. let's assume (WCS for me, since i'm supposedly Xia) that the northern kingdoms have 5 each, and hte warlords each have 3 (warlord, champion and someone we don't know yet). that leaves yan with 8. minus Sima Yi. still 7

now, lu lost one, yan lost one. no guarantees that last night's recruit was Yan. no matter how you put it, Yan has plurality at this point.

since all of you assume i'm xia, i'm gonna do what a xia would do in this situation--that is, look for more Yan.

When did anyone called you Xia? What an emo post.

I just accused you of not confronting anyone, repeating the same thing (Yan iz big!) without going anywhere with this idea (and getting annoyed when others didn't either)

About the Yan: Maybe I don't put enough importance to the influence of previous games, but if Lu and Xia have to deal with the warlords and not Yan, then balance rules would actually tell me that Yan would be smaller than the others, since they already have a "geographical" advantage. It's not like D'rek would double-punish two factions in a game just because the way other players played in previous ones. To me, if the Usurper is in the Yan, then the geographical advantage might be balanced, so I feel everyone is equal in size.

Then saw your mega-posts, but I'm not certain if you accuse me or Meanas there (or everyone else that you mention in there). I just like how you read into the fact that after you spazzed out (you can't defend from a typo? how about just saying " , and m are next to each other on the keyboard " instead of freaking out like a vampire in a garlic factory?) those that attacked you were "zombies". Maybe many people say you just acted strange, you know?