[Galain]

Okaros, on 06 October 2011 - 05:02 AM, said:

Galain did a poor job handling this situation. Once called upon defending the typo, he then denies that he thought it was a code, after claiming that it was a code... (for some people??).

I never claimed it was a code.

If you have to make shit up, you've got something to hide.

[Karosis]

Omtose, on 06 October 2011 - 01:58 AM, said:

Karosis, on 05 October 2011 - 09:00 AM, said:

Osseric, on 05 October 2011 - 08:44 AM, said:

I'm willing to consider that possibility that Serc lied about his find, but I just can't figure out his motive.

If he just wanted to screw Tiam, he would have fake-revealed her at the Predator or something. If he wanted to help Tiam, he would have fake-revealed a find on someone else.

But if there's something I missed, I'm all ears

no reason for him to lie... he woud want his team to have as much info as he could give, if he lied he would also confuse his own team mates.

Do you play here often? He started to confuse his team mates when he first posted.

Do i play here often?...

Path-Shaper, on 06 October 2011 - 04:23 AM, said:

Tiamatha (Edrigan) is dead. He was Cen Pi, General of Chariots and Cavalry, a Civil Official of the Xia Dynasty.

you tell me, biatch!

[Karosis]

Anyways....

SO... we have Osseric and his supposed "cronies" (sorrit, is it?) who has rightly so, accused Ehmur of laying low after getting out of a tight situation on day one.
And that he conveniently returns after his name starts getting pandered around.

I am actually not 100% certain as to what this is even supposed to prove.
I mean, wouldn't anybody lay low in this game after something like that?
Half of the game here is survival, we arent looking for "scum" per se. In a sense everyone is scum to everyone else just about right?
People on your own team might play that way...meh.
Just because Ehmur was laying low doesnt mean he is not on your team...

Ok i get the fact that you are trying to say that someone laying low is someone of importance or especially sought after like the usurper...fair enough
yet...Doesnt every group have "someone of importance"?


The again... we do have Ehmurlan coming back with a VENGEANCE here.
He explains his absence as pure RL issues and again that is understandable... yet convenient.

I dunno...but i believe ehmur in that he has had RL issues... fair enough.
Only thing that grabs my attention is the manner in which he has "returned".

He has attacked his main accusers, and he has made a HUGE splash after being rather quiet, again very convenient as his main detractors are saying that he has not said much in ways of content.

sigh...

i dont know what to make of it.... it is interesting none the less.
I get the feeling ehmur is having a knee jerk reaction to being accused of laying low when he actually did not really having the time to play.

But, he has made a few funny/false statement to try and back up his claims.
Like claiming that his accusers are still harping on the comma issue and another fallacy is that he claims no one has mentioned low posters as an alternative?
Strange that, considering i read at least three people mention going after low posters yesterday and one of he main reasons people are looking at HIM is his lack of content since day one...ie low poster..hurr durr

*shrugg*


im not even sure what im getting at, just putting my thoughts down to mull over after catching up.



got some work to do will be checking on periodically.
oh....its still night?...completely overlooked that

[Telas]

Hmpf, I had planned to do some additional participation before I went to bed. Alas, I was called to the bedroom to deal with urgent matters and... well.. I couldn't really be bothered to get back up after that.

Kessobahn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:38 AM, said:

Galain, on 06 October 2011 - 04:34 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:33 AM, said:

you don't find it strange that we needed an extra vote to hammer her?

I couldn't tell if that was because it was necessary, or because P-S wasn't immediately available.

But if there is "Negate Vote" action out there, we've got no idea who it was applied to.

I'm curious as to why it is a 'negate vote' action, compared to something like a specific role not having a vote?

I would think the former, personally. A role that lacks the ability to add meaningful votes will be found out in a game as long as this. There's no way to avoid it pretty much and as such it seems a little unfair. A role that negates another player's vote on the other hand would not work the same way. I wonder though if such a power was used to work towards saving Tiam, or just as a result of a desire to use it whether it had a point or not.

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:39 AM, said:

true.

though I have an untestable suggestion. the usurper's vote may not count.



that however, is wild speculation.


the fact that PS posted "12 votes to lynch. 12 votes for Tia " twice within a 10 minute interval did strike me as a "hint-hint" type thing.

but that's just me.

As mentioned above. A vote not counting will result in a lynch late game. I'm pretty certain of that. Ergo it would seem a little off to give such a limitation to the Usurper. Or anyone else for that matter.

Kessobahn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:59 AM, said:

So I'm thinking the only roles that I could see not having a vote count are the Warlords, the Usurper, the Empress (speculated role), and possibly the Emperor of the faction the person belongs too, although that one might be a long shot. I find it interesting that Kaschan, Telas, and Thyrllan have not yet voted on a lynch, and we had one person who had a non-counting vote on this train. I'm honestly thinking the Warlords and their Champions votes do not count... That would be 4 people, 2 warlords and 2 champions...

I was on the Serc lynch train. So that's not entirely true.

[Sorrit]

What other game in this series had a role where there was a fake vote? I'll see if I can find anything, other than that i'll read through the thread as well, it seems Emur thinks that I am a leading people by the noses, not once has anyone agreed with one post i've made. My "case" was dismissed. I have been on every lynch train but so have others, the fact that Emur comes on kicking a fuss once Tiam is lynched says a lot, people were linking those two together early on and I think he has realised if he doesn't kick up a fuss then he may be next. That is my initial thoughts on his posts. I'll have a look at past games for the voting scenario as PS did say she has included mechanics from each of them.

[Karosis]

there has definately been a game where someone had some sort of vote ability.

Whether it was someone having his vote count 2 or not count at all i cant remeber....there was something like that however.

[Barghast]

Karosis, on 06 October 2011 - 08:21 AM, said:

Omtose, on 06 October 2011 - 01:58 AM, said:

Karosis, on 05 October 2011 - 09:00 AM, said:

Osseric, on 05 October 2011 - 08:44 AM, said:

I'm willing to consider that possibility that Serc lied about his find, but I just can't figure out his motive.

If he just wanted to screw Tiam, he would have fake-revealed her at the Predator or something. If he wanted to help Tiam, he would have fake-revealed a find on someone else.

But if there's something I missed, I'm all ears

no reason for him to lie... he woud want his team to have as much info as he could give, if he lied he would also confuse his own team mates.

Do you play here often? He started to confuse his team mates when he first posted.

Do i play here often?...

I think you play here often.

I like how Emurlahn is stepping up his efforts, and his analysis is welcome and pointing out either some deliberate chain of command/ concerted effort, or a weird coincidence of great (?) minds thinking alike, but whichever it is, it wasn't highlighted before.

Fake votes in a game like this are bound to be found out. The best bet for a player with a non-counting vote to avoid being ferreted out as having a non-vote is not voting at all - the suspect pool becomes ridiculously small after even just 2 trains, with the non-voter on just one of them. Since there were no votes on anyone but Tiamatha (and emurlahn's vote on someone else) there was no jumping, either, so the explanation of D'rek being a strict boss and not counting vote switches without a remove vote attached is non-existent as well.

Out for a bit again, as work is ridiculously demanding.

[Telas]

Karosis, on 06 October 2011 - 09:17 AM, said:

there has definately been a game where someone had some sort of vote ability.

Whether it was someone having his vote count 2 or not count at all i cant remeber....there was something like that however.

In the City of Saints and Madmen game the Doppelganger could force people to vote for his choice. There's also been a role that could deny others the right to vote at all I think. I would be surprised if there hasn't been a role that nullified the vote of another player, but I can't remember a specific case.

[Barghast]

Karosis, on 06 October 2011 - 09:17 AM, said:

there has definately been a game where someone had some sort of vote ability.

Whether it was someone having his vote count 2 or not count at all i cant remeber....there was something like that however.

In the Rot3K games? Not sure, not sure at all.

[Karosis]

Barghast, on 06 October 2011 - 09:25 AM, said:

Karosis, on 06 October 2011 - 09:17 AM, said:

there has definately been a game where someone had some sort of vote ability.

Whether it was someone having his vote count 2 or not count at all i cant remeber....there was something like that however.

In the Rot3K games? Not sure, not sure at all.

Rot3K?...well neither am i.

was just saying it has happened....somewhere out there.

[Thyrllan]

Am back and reading.

[Meanas]

Just popping in once again I'm afraid, but I will return in an hour or two to give a detailed response to Emurlahn's post. But right now I will say...

See! This is what I wanted to see! This is why you put pressure on people, because then they go out there and DO something! And something useful too, unlike Tiamatha's whingeing. RL my ass Emur, you got pressure, and it made you sit up and do some work, so well done.

I just wish it didn't have to involve me


On a completely different note, I have no idea of what to make of the extra vote for Tiam. I've never encountered anything like that before. It seems really weird. Ok, I'll try and be back in a bit.

[Rashan]

Kessobahn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:43 AM, said:

Here is the most recent train, which needed 13/12 votes

13 Votes for Tiamatha ( Osseric, Tennes, Sheltatha Lore, Galain, Emurlahn, Mockra, Sorritt, Karosis, Kessobahn, Rashan, Silanah, Okaros, Hood's Path )

Here is the day 2 lynch, which needed 13/13

13 Votes for Serc ( Sorritt, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Osseric, Telas, Kessobahn, Meanas, Okaros, Emurlahn, Tennes, Barghast, Atrahal, Korlat )

And here is the day 1 lynch, which also needed 13/13

13 Votes for Gamelon ( Osseric, Ruse, Kessobahn, Silanah, Galain, Karosis, Sorritt, Emurlahn, Barghast, Korlat, Omtose, Okaros, Atrahal )

Mockra, Rashan, and Hood's Path did not vote in the two 'normal' lynches but did vote in this one.

How interesting.

I would like to point out that one the second day, both Mockra and I voted for Tiam, and Hood's Path didn't vote for anyone (nor did he vote on Day 1 btw):

5 Votes for Tiamatha ( Ruse, Rashan, Serc, Silanah, Mockra )


Also, If we want to do a rule out trial, I am willing to be the only one of the three on the next lynch train so as to confirm that my vote counts. Just an idea on how to approach this new twist, just let me know.

[Sorrit]

I couldn't find anything, I tried having a good look through but nothing about votes jumped out at me, the thing is I remember playing in a game where votes were votes were either not counted or counted double. Either way there is definately something going on in this game. From Rashan's post above HP does become suspicious, not just for the voting but also for the low posting.

[Barghast]

Sorrit, on 06 October 2011 - 11:17 AM, said:

I couldn't find anything, I tried having a good look through but nothing about votes jumped out at me, the thing is I remember playing in a game where votes were votes were either not counted or counted double. Either way there is definately something going on in this game. From Rashan's post above HP does become suspicious, not just for the voting but also for the low posting.

Spycraft 2 had something with the Chinese not having their vote counted when voting one another.

[Karosis]

Rashan, on 06 October 2011 - 11:01 AM, said:

Also, If we want to do a rule out trial, I am willing to be the only one of the three on the next lynch train so as to confirm that my vote counts. Just an idea on how to approach this new twist, just let me know.

everybody on the 1st lynch train vote counted...

[Thyrllan]

Hmm, I think a reread is going to be required. I have a headache and I'm falling asleep at my computer

I'm impressed Emur, there's a lot to think about in all of that. Interesting style of play too, although that is perhaps mitigated by RL factors.

Ditto the extra voting thing. I think it's likely that there's vote blocking going on, as, like people said above, it would be too easy to figure out once the player numbers are thinned out.

I'm going to do some sleeping, hopefully clear my head a bit.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Night 3. 1 hour and 42 minutes since time out

Resolving night now.

[Telas]

I don't envy D'rek doing all this herself.

Sadly I'm off to do some work and wont be back for 6-7 hours.

[Path-Shaper]

It is a year of chaos for the middle kingdoms. Armies trample farms as they march back and forth across the land. Enemies arrive where they are least expected, but disappear before one can swing a sword at them. Heroes are everywhere, but so is the plague. It is a time when those in power must make hard decisions.

In Xia, Gongsun Kang appears outside the walls of Luo Yang to denounce the Emperor and flees before the capital army can respond. Forces gather to chase down the Gongsuns but the Emperor also sends out a different sort of solution. In the west, Zhang Xiu is faced with the enormous Yan fleet in front and Ma Chao's legions of cavalry advancing from behind. Caught between the two, he must choose which border to preserve and which to let fall. The Yan armies, expecting an overwhelming victory on their borders and to rush into the enemy kingdoms are stalled by the enemy fortresses and are forced to settle in for what could be a very long siege.

In a tower in the remote city of Shang Jun, the deposed Emperor Xian watches distant fires rage as he reads news from the realm, brought to him by a few loyal informants. "Well fuck, glad I'm not you guys." he says, before heading back inside to "meditate" with the former Empress.

Oh, and also Zhuge Jin dies.

Rashan (Gust Hubb) is dead. He was Zhuge Jin, Chief Minister who Promotes the People, a Military Officer of the Lu Dynasty.