[Barghast]

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As it stands though it's pretty clear that a lynch will be one of the two and as such one needs to make a choice. In my opinion the better one is Serc. Especially for the amount of sympage Serc has received from Barghast two days in a row.

Ehm, two days in a row sympage? That's a rather selective memory you have there, friend. I was one of the first to comment on how aggressive Serc was. And any sympage you think you saw from day 1 was when I decided to go against Gamelon when Gamelon went against Serc with no reason whatsoever to do so, as Serc was not attacking Gamelon. I commented several times that Gamelon might be distancing as Serc was the biggest proponent of lynching Emurlahn, who by then had an equal number of votes on him. If I was defending Serc at that point in time, why would I bring that up? So, I did recognize the potential for a link between them day 1. Saying that out loud is ineffectial symping, to say the least.


Second, my vote for Tiam was not derailment. We all know why we vote Serc: because he may be Gamelon's master. But Tiam is a bigger mystery, someone who has an unworkable game plan but wants to put it out there and is quite adamant about it. Tiam is worth pressuring. And look at how they deal with it: they laugh it off. And from there on, people switch away from Tiam. So, if my influence was so big, why does Tiam not gain more votes?
Anyhow, I'll switch. Let's see how this theory keeps up. The train is getting serious now, and where I had hoped for Tiam to open a third avenue, to get out of the pressure, they don't.


Vote Serc.

[Osseric]

Anyways, I'm off for now. I will be back way before day times out.

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 03 October 2011 - 07:01 PM, said:

What's also strange is that we know Gamelon was a Civil Servant, and we have good hints that Serc might be his Emperor, and Tiam is not even adding her vote to him.

Despite all her talks of leader-hunting, and doing exactly like she said the Usurper would do if his leader ended up early on the block

I noticed that too, but it seems people prefer to hunt for Culture Lu rather than pursue clues and pressure.

Mockra, on 03 October 2011 - 07:21 PM, said:

Osseric makes a very good point above. It seems Tiamatha's been so busy getting angry at the votes on herself that she's forgotten to point out whom she suspects, if anyone. So, Tiam, what do you think of the Serc case? And if you're not fond of that, what are your suspicions? You've already stated how much quicker than the rest of us fools you picked up on Gamelon, so you must have something.

And that is why I wanted to pressure Tiam: to get a third avenue of inquiry. If Tiam is lynched, that trail is cold. The same with Serc. I wanted to see someone accuse someone else. Not to be, alas.

[Tiamatha]

Osseric there's not much I can add, to answer your questions there.

It's a team game - It doesn't matter whether I believe it's worth it or not. Am I willing? Well, I had been entertaining the thought, to be honest.
Reading the rules, even if a Factions Emperor is lynched/kill, that Faction still stands a chance to win the game. Are they severely handicapped? Probably yea, but I can't know the extend of the handicap since I don't know what exactly Emperors do, apart from what's written in their role review in the initial Path-Shaper post.

The Usurper though is stated that at SOME point he will start recruiting. Will it be Day 2? Day 3? Night 2 or 3? Day 4?!? Who the hell knows. Since it says 'AT SOME POINT' though, chances are he CAN'T recruit on Day 1.
So, risking a move like the one I was thinking, on day 1, though risky-bold-courageous-stupid or how ever you might want to call it, would have been worth it, in my opinion.

Could it prove disastrous or even costly, for the game? Well, hindsight is 20/20, we can speculate on that all we want, but it's like you're asking me to count the eggs before they hatch.

But like I said, my teammates might not share my opinion on the matter. Had this been a chess game, then I'm not against Queen sacrifices if I can exploit an opening, and eventually win the game.

As far as voting for Serc - I can add my vote now, but people will weight it as 'better him than me' situation.
Will it change anything if I voted for him, right now?

And Telas, I'm not provocative or hostile.
I'm having fun.
But people are currently pointing fingers at me for 'excessive Emperor hunting' , yet they vote for me, based on their believes that I am.. an Empress (Emperor)...
So who's doing the hunting now, my fellow players?

[Telas]

Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

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As it stands though it's pretty clear that a lynch will be one of the two and as such one needs to make a choice. In my opinion the better one is Serc. Especially for the amount of sympage Serc has received from Barghast two days in a row.

Ehm, two days in a row sympage? That's a rather selective memory you have there, friend. I was one of the first to comment on how aggressive Serc was. And any sympage you think you saw from day 1 was when I decided to go against Gamelon when Gamelon went against Serc with no reason whatsoever to do so, as Serc was not attacking Gamelon. I commented several times that Gamelon might be distancing as Serc was the biggest proponent of lynching Emurlahn, who by then had an equal number of votes on him. If I was defending Serc at that point in time, why would I bring that up? So, I did recognize the potential for a link between them day 1. Saying that out loud is ineffectial symping, to say the least.

Second, my vote for Tiam was not derailment. We all know why we vote Serc: because he may be Gamelon's master. But Tiam is a bigger mystery, someone who has an unworkable game plan but wants to put it out there and is quite adamant about it. Tiam is worth pressuring. And look at how they deal with it: they laugh it off. And from there on, people switch away from Tiam. So, if my influence was so big, why does Tiam not gain more votes?
Anyhow, I'll switch. Let's see how this theory keeps up. The train is getting serious now, and where I had hoped for Tiam to open a third avenue, to get out of the pressure, they don't.

Vote Serc.

From my notes on day 1 your noted as a little too friendly with Serc and today you've been one of the strongest voices for lynching Tiamatha. So all in all I'd argue connecting the two of you to be fairly logical.

I can't pretend that whole hypothesis to hold up well in light of your current vote however, which makes it all a little trickier.

edit: removed a word to keep the sentence logical.

This post has been edited by Telas: 03 October 2011 - 07:44 PM

[Mockra]

If you feel you're in a lose-lose situation by voting for Serc, Tiam, then why don't you suggest someone else who struck the alarm bells? You've done a lot of strategy speculation, but you haven't come up with any viable targets. The three that have been thrown out - yourself, Serc, and Emurlahn earlier, appear not to be to your taste.

And Barghy mate, you might need to remove your previous vote on Tiam before the Serc one is counted.

[Telas]

Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 07:27 PM, said:

And Telas, I'm not provocative or hostile.
I'm having fun.
But people are currently pointing fingers at me for 'excessive Emperor hunting' , yet they vote for me, based on their believes that I am.. an Empress (Emperor)...
So who's doing the hunting now, my fellow players?

The part of my previous post that I assume you're referring to was said tongue-in-cheek. I guess I've been too inactive for it to work well.

[Mockra]

Tiam, I'm only pushing you for your opinion because I myself am undecided yet about whether to vote Serc or well, you. But I want to see if something else can be thrown out there.

[Barghast]

@Mockra: Fairly common practice to switch that way, but I won't nitpick in case D'rek is going to be strict.

Remove vote
Vote Serc.

[Barghast]

Telas, on 03 October 2011 - 07:31 PM, said:

Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

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As it stands though it's pretty clear that a lynch will be one of the two and as such one needs to make a choice. In my opinion the better one is Serc. Especially for the amount of sympage Serc has received from Barghast two days in a row.

Ehm, two days in a row sympage? That's a rather selective memory you have there, friend. I was one of the first to comment on how aggressive Serc was. And any sympage you think you saw from day 1 was when I decided to go against Gamelon when Gamelon went against Serc with no reason whatsoever to do so, as Serc was not attacking Gamelon. I commented several times that Gamelon might be distancing as Serc was the biggest proponent of lynching Emurlahn, who by then had an equal number of votes on him. If I was defending Serc at that point in time, why would I bring that up? So, I did recognize the potential for a link between them day 1. Saying that out loud is ineffectial symping, to say the least.

Second, my vote for Tiam was not derailment. We all know why we vote Serc: because he may be Gamelon's master. But Tiam is a bigger mystery, someone who has an unworkable game plan but wants to put it out there and is quite adamant about it. Tiam is worth pressuring. And look at how they deal with it: they laugh it off. And from there on, people switch away from Tiam. So, if my influence was so big, why does Tiam not gain more votes?
Anyhow, I'll switch. Let's see how this theory keeps up. The train is getting serious now, and where I had hoped for Tiam to open a third avenue, to get out of the pressure, they don't.

Vote Serc.

From my notes on day 1 your noted as a little too friendly with Serc and today you've been one of the strongest voices for not lynching Tiamatha. So all in all I'd argue connecting the two of you to be fairly logical.

I can't pretend that whole hypothesis to hold up well in light of your current vote however, which makes it all a little trickier.

To be a pedantic bear, I think you may want to remove the Not for your post to make sense.

[Telas]

Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Telas, on 03 October 2011 - 07:31 PM, said:

Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

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As it stands though it's pretty clear that a lynch will be one of the two and as such one needs to make a choice. In my opinion the better one is Serc. Especially for the amount of sympage Serc has received from Barghast two days in a row.

Ehm, two days in a row sympage? That's a rather selective memory you have there, friend. I was one of the first to comment on how aggressive Serc was. And any sympage you think you saw from day 1 was when I decided to go against Gamelon when Gamelon went against Serc with no reason whatsoever to do so, as Serc was not attacking Gamelon. I commented several times that Gamelon might be distancing as Serc was the biggest proponent of lynching Emurlahn, who by then had an equal number of votes on him. If I was defending Serc at that point in time, why would I bring that up? So, I did recognize the potential for a link between them day 1. Saying that out loud is ineffectial symping, to say the least.

Second, my vote for Tiam was not derailment. We all know why we vote Serc: because he may be Gamelon's master. But Tiam is a bigger mystery, someone who has an unworkable game plan but wants to put it out there and is quite adamant about it. Tiam is worth pressuring. And look at how they deal with it: they laugh it off. And from there on, people switch away from Tiam. So, if my influence was so big, why does Tiam not gain more votes?
Anyhow, I'll switch. Let's see how this theory keeps up. The train is getting serious now, and where I had hoped for Tiam to open a third avenue, to get out of the pressure, they don't.

Vote Serc.

From my notes on day 1 your noted as a little too friendly with Serc and today you've been one of the strongest voices for not lynching Tiamatha. So all in all I'd argue connecting the two of you to be fairly logical.

I can't pretend that whole hypothesis to hold up well in light of your current vote however, which makes it all a little trickier.

To be a pedantic bear, I think you may want to remove the Not for your post to make sense.

Yeah, you're right.

[Barghast]

Telas, on 03 October 2011 - 07:43 PM, said:

Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 07:40 PM, said:

Telas, on 03 October 2011 - 07:31 PM, said:

Barghast, on 03 October 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

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As it stands though it's pretty clear that a lynch will be one of the two and as such one needs to make a choice. In my opinion the better one is Serc. Especially for the amount of sympage Serc has received from Barghast two days in a row.

Ehm, two days in a row sympage? That's a rather selective memory you have there, friend. I was one of the first to comment on how aggressive Serc was. And any sympage you think you saw from day 1 was when I decided to go against Gamelon when Gamelon went against Serc with no reason whatsoever to do so, as Serc was not attacking Gamelon. I commented several times that Gamelon might be distancing as Serc was the biggest proponent of lynching Emurlahn, who by then had an equal number of votes on him. If I was defending Serc at that point in time, why would I bring that up? So, I did recognize the potential for a link between them day 1. Saying that out loud is ineffectial symping, to say the least.

Second, my vote for Tiam was not derailment. We all know why we vote Serc: because he may be Gamelon's master. But Tiam is a bigger mystery, someone who has an unworkable game plan but wants to put it out there and is quite adamant about it. Tiam is worth pressuring. And look at how they deal with it: they laugh it off. And from there on, people switch away from Tiam. So, if my influence was so big, why does Tiam not gain more votes?
Anyhow, I'll switch. Let's see how this theory keeps up. The train is getting serious now, and where I had hoped for Tiam to open a third avenue, to get out of the pressure, they don't.

Vote Serc.

From my notes on day 1 your noted as a little too friendly with Serc and today you've been one of the strongest voices for not lynching Tiamatha. So all in all I'd argue connecting the two of you to be fairly logical.

I can't pretend that whole hypothesis to hold up well in light of your current vote however, which makes it all a little trickier.

To be a pedantic bear, I think you may want to remove the Not for your post to make sense.

Yeah, you're right.

I usually am.

[Tiamatha]

Mockra, what would you have me do?

It's Day 2.

There has probably been night action, but we got nothing out of it in public, so we got nothing from that to work with.
Nobody has discussed anything regarding Gamelon's train - and we're stuck on Day 1 discussion about possible signals and linking between people.

Serc gets pressure due to that.

I get pressure due to being vocal and suggesting that we could have tried something, and possibly alerting people to some possibilities. All my posts about the Usurper had been in the mood of 'we could've tried that cause of this' attitude, not the 'we must here and now do this'.

Had I a case, semi-solid or reasonable, or anything else, I would have voiced it.
And even if I did (which I don't, just hypothetically speaking) people might react negatively towards it or dismiss it as a desperate effort to derail.

I'm watching things unfold. It's just past the middle of the game day, and there's time still.
I'm not gonna pull a case out of my ass, or even consider doing it. I'm not a fortune teller.

It's the general belief that players who are under pressure, must mandatorily come up with new cases, that actually make sense, or direct the flow of the game towards something new.
If I had something new, I would have added it already.

Look at the thread. There's a lot of people posting sparingly, and a few only popping in once in a while, and playing it safe.
Not much I can do about that.
I'm here, I'm posting - I'm playing the game. Apart from that, I got no magic tricks or aces up my sleeve to pull.

As far as the vote on Serc being a 'lose-lose' , I am not saying that, I'm saying I can add my vote on Serc, but me voting for him will not add anything new on the thread, information wise.

[Korlat]

I'm finding myself still split between serc and tiam, I think there are reasons to feel suspicious of them both but Barghast I'd like to ask when you say looking for a third line of enquiry what exactly do you envision? You wanted to put pressure on tiam and see where it led but i'm struggling to understand what you thought it might lead to, a slip-up? Someone trying to swing it away from her? Because you can potentially do that with both cases, serc and tiam.

Also barghast there is still some time left in day is there any reason why you decided to switch now rather and wait to see if anymore pressure builds on tiam or you get some inkling into this third option?


Also like mockra i'd be interested in hearing from you tiam who you could see being emperor based on your preferred strategy, have you come up with anything in connection to it?

[Korlat]

Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 08:04 PM, said:

Mockra, what would you have me do?

It's Day 2.

There has probably been night action, but we got nothing out of it in public, so we got nothing from that to work with.
Nobody has discussed anything regarding Gamelon's train - and we're stuck on Day 1 discussion about possible signals and linking between people.

Serc gets pressure due to that.

I get pressure due to being vocal and suggesting that we could have tried something, and possibly alerting people to some possibilities. All my posts about the Usurper had been in the mood of 'we could've tried that cause of this' attitude, not the 'we must here and now do this'.

Had I a case, semi-solid or reasonable, or anything else, I would have voiced it.
And even if I did (which I don't, just hypothetically speaking) people might react negatively towards it or dismiss it as a desperate effort to derail.

I'm watching things unfold. It's just past the middle of the game day, and there's time still.
I'm not gonna pull a case out of my ass, or even consider doing it. I'm not a fortune teller.

It's the general belief that players who are under pressure, must mandatorily come up with new cases, that actually make sense, or direct the flow of the game towards something new.
If I had something new, I would have added it already.

Look at the thread. There's a lot of people posting sparingly, and a few only popping in once in a while, and playing it safe.
Not much I can do about that.
I'm here, I'm posting - I'm playing the game. Apart from that, I got no magic tricks or aces up my sleeve to pull.

As far as the vote on Serc being a 'lose-lose' , I am not saying that, I'm saying I can add my vote on Serc, but me voting for him will not add anything new on the thread, information wise.

Okay this pretty much answers my question then, i'm a slow poster, sorry, didn't realise there was a post from you already. I think you do make a point here, pointing at people just to divert is suspicious in and of itself but I figured you had some idea already after reading your strategy type posts, that you had written them with something or other specifically in mind.

[Tiamatha]

Speaking of thoughts then - Here's a curve ball.

Serc is being voted on grounds of being Gamelon's Emperor.
I am being voted on grounds of having a power role, and most people being convinced that I'm an Empress (Emperor).

Barghast initially voted for me, then switches to Serc - showing clear sign of having no issue between the two of us. So out of all the people who are saying that they wouldn't mind voting for me or Serc on the grounds of either of us being an Emperor - Barghast goes on and shows clearly he doesn't care which one of us actually gets lynched, and acts on it.


So Barghasts behavior can be explained as him being a Warlord -OR- Champion... OR surprise surprise, an Emperor himself.

[Path-Shaper]

Vote Count

It is 226 AD (Day 2). 14 hours and 38 minutes remaining
24 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

13 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Serc ( Sorritt, Meanas, Okaros, Emurlahn, Tennes, Telas, Barghast )
4 Votes for Tiamatha ( Kessobahn, Ruse, Karosis, Osseric )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korlat, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

[Korlat]

Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 08:16 PM, said:

Speaking of thoughts then - Here's a curve ball.

Serc is being voted on grounds of being Gamelon's Emperor.
I am being voted on grounds of having a power role, and most people being convinced that I'm an Empress (Emperor).

Barghast initially voted for me, then switches to Serc - showing clear sign of having no issue between the two of us. So out of all the people who are saying that they wouldn't mind voting for me or Serc on the grounds of either of us being an Emperor - Barghast goes on and shows clearly he doesn't care which one of us actually gets lynched, and acts on it.


So Barghasts behavior can be explained as him being a Warlord -OR- Champion... OR surprise surprise, an Emperor himself.

Before this I was thinking he was potentially trying to deflect the vote from serc and therefore possibly of that faction but that vote change with time still left and an apparent abandoning of his supposed plan to pressure tiam made me pause a little, I was thinking emperor but i suppose warlord would also make a lot of sense, he certainly doesn't seem too concerned either way despite the earlier push for you and waiting to see how things develop in accordance to this, I thought his timing was strange.

[Korlat]

I should maybe add to make it clear I was thinking emperor going on the suspicion of serc and tiam both possibly being so themselves so losing either would benefit him.

[Tiamatha]

Korlat, on 03 October 2011 - 08:24 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 08:16 PM, said:

Speaking of thoughts then - Here's a curve ball.

Serc is being voted on grounds of being Gamelon's Emperor.
I am being voted on grounds of having a power role, and most people being convinced that I'm an Empress (Emperor).

Barghast initially voted for me, then switches to Serc - showing clear sign of having no issue between the two of us. So out of all the people who are saying that they wouldn't mind voting for me or Serc on the grounds of either of us being an Emperor - Barghast goes on and shows clearly he doesn't care which one of us actually gets lynched, and acts on it.


So Barghasts behavior can be explained as him being a Warlord -OR- Champion... OR surprise surprise, an Emperor himself.

Before this I was thinking he was potentially trying to deflect the vote from serc and therefore possibly of that faction but that vote change with time still left and an apparent abandoning of his supposed plan to pressure tiam made me pause a little, I was thinking emperor but i suppose warlord would also make a lot of sense, he certainly doesn't seem too concerned either way despite the earlier push for you and waiting to see how things develop in accordance to this, I thought his timing was strange.

To be fair, he could also be the Civil/Military Official of Xia or Yan (since Gamelon was the Lu Faction) --- since he knows the alt name of his Emperor already, and it's not one of the current ones under pressure.