[Barghast]

@ Osseric: not scaring people of. If Serc is an Emperor, he also isn't going anywhere and his faction will become more and more clear the longer he is around but under fire on thread. Tiam is a bit more of a mystery.

Anyway, my vote is pressure. I want Tiam to talk about something else than their emperor-hunt, or at the least, make it way more clear how they intend to go on their crusade and find Emperors. I have no real issue switching to Serc, there's some time left in the day after all

Out for now.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Back from the weekend, it was way too short, hope everybody had fun/rest/drunkenness?etc.


So the general opinion seems to be : Tiam is roled and of interest as powerful. I agree with this, but am not sure if it's all covering his own butt or making smoke screen for others. Where was everyone's attention when Tiam started talking? I'm going to look back and see if I make any connection.

[Karosis]

Ok...some interesting comments.
Its still pretty quiet here though.

anyways...Ill go ahead and add even more pressure to Tiam.
I could swap to serc as i feel he is very viable but i am intrigued by tiam and how she seems to be responding to people...something doesnt seem right with her to me.

Vote Tiamatha


I obviously agree with what has been said about tiam up to this point and feel there is a good possibility that tiam, portraying the seemingly biggest emperor/usurper hunter, could in fact be one of either herself in the hopes of doing the ol' "double bluff" in trying to seem the biggest hunter of the very role she has.

I also dont like the way in which she defends herself by trying to degrade or belittle any theories directed towards her.
Seems like a bit of knee jerk reaction from only the slightest pressure.
Worth exploring on my book

[Sorrit]

The sudden pressure on Tiam smells like someone knows something we don't. I don't know if someone has found him to be something, but a lot of people's thoughts are sliding towards him and this interests me. Yes, I do believe Serc to be Gamelon's emperor, and my mind won't change on that until we see Serc's Cf, but once he is gone we may be left in the dark to see where to go next. I am open to a Tiam lynch to see his cf and shed some light on the people surrounding his lynch train. Interesting, especially since no one is looking at Serc at the moment. Maybe there are people on Gamelon's team/faction that don't want their emperor to be lynched and think to drive the train elsewhere, which is okay for now seem as we know who Serc may probably be. I will change my vote if it is needed towards day end, but for now it stays.

[Okaros]

Waking up. I need a coffee.

Osseric, on 03 October 2011 - 02:53 PM, said:

Just to clarify myself a bit more:

Since I think Serc is indeed Gamelon's emperor, voting him would be some good ol' fashion Culture hunting which could indeed, as Tiamantha said, hurt the Usurper also. On the other hand, Serc is "exposed", and it''s interesting to see how people react around him (like Barghast up there already comparing voting Serc to "derailing", hoping to scare people from doing it?), and if Tiam is a power role/warlord, I'd rather lynch her today than give her another night.

I can't say that I agree with Osseric on this one. Only in that we have a good idea that Serc is an emperor, and that the usurper could suffer from the loss of the player under whom he/she serves. Now, it would be terrible if Serc was my emperor, but there is definitely greater benefit in targeting emperors ( and thus possibly targeting the usurper ) than sitting back and seeing the exchange between Serc and potential lackeys (Barghast perhaps). It seems to me that it wouldn't benefit the game's ultimate goal. We have some evidence that Tiam is also a power player, which I agree with, but is it enough to ignore a possible emperor lynch? It is mostly a question of priority than disagreement really.

Vote Serc


I know we have lots of time, and so I will put my vote here in hopes of stimulating more conversation and pressure. I'll be going to class in a bit and will be back in a few hours.

[Path-Shaper]

Vote Count

It is 226 AD (Day 2). 19 hours and 34 minutes remaining
24 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

13 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Serc ( Sorritt, Meanas, Okaros )
4 Votes for Tiamatha ( Kessobahn, Ruse, Barghast, Karosis )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korlat, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

[Sheltatha Lore]

My review didn't give me what I'd hoped. The things that caught my attention:

Tiam started the talking right after Gamelon was lynched, during a time many people usually aren't forthcoming, maybe he was fearing a night action & trying to get something out

Emurlahn has disappeared from the radar, as best I can tell. Did everyone decide his signalling case was unworthy, a better target has arisen, what?

Serc still looking as a favorite for Game's Emperor, so we can tell who's not in that faction (unless they're bluffing with votes)

[Korlat]

I see suspicion seems to have shifted from Serc to Tiam, just reading through it the first thing that Barghast's post makes me think is there is a link between himself and serc, the whole 'if you vote serc you are attempting to derail' even when he explains that what he meant was Tiam was more interesting and the reaction would be interesting to observe it strikes me as strange that he even went so far as to use 'derailing' in the first place when the votes against each were equal.

Also the point about serc being a 'dead end' doesn't really make sense because it is not as if tiam is going to just become totally non-suspicious if serc has gone, whoever is lynched, if it is one of these two, the other will still be there unless something happens during the night.


Barghast's 'vote my way or you are obviously suspicious' smacks of desperation to me, who would be the most disadvantaged by a serc lynch? Anyone in the Lu faction, since they are already a man down and now another potential one of theirs is being targeted.

I agree though that Tiam has been strange with this emperor hunting fixation, explains what she wants us all to do without giving any clue as how we are supposed to do it. I think it likely that she is an emperor herself, and is trying to take out the competition so to speak or possibly that she is purposefully setting herself up to look suspicious as some kind of smoke screen, away from Emur perhaps? I'm not sure but on the whole i'd think it more likely she's an emperor.

[Emurlahn]

well, Tiam's pretty much an enigma at this point, but she's made some sense


since the votes are being split right now

vote Serc


culture hunting ftw.

[Path-Shaper]

Vote Count

It is 226 AD. 17 hours and 7 minutes remaining
24 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

13 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Serc ( Sorritt, Meanas, Okaros, Emurlahn )
4 Votes for Tiamatha ( Kessobahn, Ruse, Barghast, Karosis )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korlat, Mockra, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

[Osseric]

I'm not sure how long I'll still be around, and we passed the halfway for the day. It's time for vote

vote Tiamantha

but I would be happy switch to Serc. Sorry I don't repeat why in this post, but for both it's there in the last page or two.

[Tiamatha]

I don't have a power role.

I am not an Emperor. And next time someone wants to brand me as one, at least use the proper title :: Empress.

And I do wonder if I'm playing in the same game with some of you. Just look at those accusations, read the posts and then make your own conclusions.

If you wanna keep considering me as a 'Warlord' then please explain how come I'm not on Gamelon's train? As someone who immediately picked up Gamelon's role, and openly revealed it on the thread for all to see, as well as someone who openly revealed that Gamelon voted in that way mainly due to the fact that he knows he's voting someone who's not in his faction... Had I been a Warlord, why would I reveal all these, and not jump on the Gamelon train as it was being built, since Warlords DON'T have Civil Servants?

You wanna track down Warlords / Champions? Better start looking on that Gamelon train , cause that's where some of them are hiding. I doubt I was the only one who picked up on this clue, I just happened to pick it up fast, and be vocal about it. I stayed with my theory, tried to pick up Gamelon's signals, because I wasn't interested in Gamelon. Had I been a Warlord, there's no way in hell I wouldn't be all over that train, riding it to oblivion.

Stop gasping at straws.

[Tiamatha]

/in before obligatory 'WIFOM' accusations as well!

[Tennes]

Back and all caught up

Thoughts so far. I agree with most about Serc being a probable emperor. Not so sold on the Tiam case. What I do find interesting is the huge vote split. It makes me think that someone of the 2 is rather powerful. Likely an emperor because they would have the most followers. Imo, Serc seems like more of the emperor. I feel like people are blowing the Tiam posts out of proportion and jumping on the first suspicious thing in an effort to save their emperor. With that in mind, <

vote Serc

Regardless of who gets lynched, we will have a ton of info to go off of. I would be willing to switch to get a lynch....but would prefer a Serc lynch.

[Tennes]

PS. I am still on track for much more participation come wednesday. My low posting will have to continue until then. Sorry RL is kickin my ass atm

[Osseric]

Tiam, I had questions for you in my post 348, I would like to hear your answers (except the last one which was sarcastic)

[Telas]

I'm back after a long week end of too much drinking. I am getting too old to stay out drinking until the early hours of the morning.


For being a faction game we're getting a marvelous amount of information in such a short time.

From where I'm standing Tiamatha does make a lot of sense in focusing on the usurper. To be perfectly honest, the whole talking about role equals role mantra has not been applicable for some time, partially I would think because it is accepted as an axiom in most of our games. It's almost comparable to voting for night at this point. However, I don't like Tiamatha's reaction, which seems a little forced in its attempt to be all "I couldn't care less but your stupidity annoys me". In addition, pointless hostility has never been something I condone. One should always be polite and patient, like the way I always play.

Additionally, the amount of support popping up around Tiamatha and Serc, it would seem highly unlikely that either fit the usurper role, which when all and said and done is the one we should be hunting. As it stands though it's pretty clear that a lynch will be one of the two and as such one needs to make a choice. In my opinion the better one is Serc. Especially for the amount of sympage Serc has received from Barghast two days in a row.

Vote Serc

Sorry this didn't get longer. I haven't really gotten into the game properly, not being able to properly participate until now and all.

[Osseric]

What's also strange is that we know Gamelon was a Civil Servant, and we have good hints that Serc might be his Emperor, and Tiam is not even adding her vote to him.

Despite all her talks of leader-hunting, and doing exactly like she said the Usurper would do if his leader ended up early on the block

[Osseric]

Unless of course she doesn't agree on the case on Serc, which is allowed and legit. In which case I would like to hear what her candidate is, since she did complain that we lynched Gamelon on day 1 instead of looking for his boss.

[Mockra]

Osseric makes a very good point above. It seems Tiamatha's been so busy getting angry at the votes on herself that she's forgotten to point out whom she suspects, if anyone. So, Tiam, what do you think of the Serc case? And if you're not fond of that, what are your suspicions? You've already stated how much quicker than the rest of us fools you picked up on Gamelon, so you must have something.