[Galain]

Emurlahn, on 03 October 2011 - 04:46 AM, said:

pedantic bear sez: geishas are still Japanese.

also, I kinda see where Tiam is coming from, what with the whole "cult can't recruit, is a one-man faction, so let's look for outsiders to lynch early on" thing (at least that what I got as the general gist of it--not too sure I agree with the Emperor hunt, b/c that tends to deliniate the teams early on)

Er, the Usurper can recruit until the Emperor he's located with is dead, at least after some kind of condition to begin recruiting is met.

Tiamatha makes sense on this point - it's a good idea to kill either that Emperor (which his faction understandably won't want to go along with), or the Usurper (which everyone should want). On the flip side, it's not exactly easy to identify a role, so hunting a specific person in Mafia is damned near impossible with such a crowd. I am kind of leaning towards the notion that the person who talks most about a specific role is either a counter to that role ... or is that person theirself.

[Tiamatha]

Kessobahn, on 03 October 2011 - 03:39 AM, said:

I have caught up, and now, time for some thoughts!

Tiam is going all out. Hardcore wifom and planning on day1/night 1. This leads me to think, as it appears others are doing, that Tiam has a pretty powerful role. Which role that is, I don't know, but I would be it being a faction leading role. If you look at the bottom part of Tiams post 314, Tiam decides that anyone still investigating any kind of signaling regarding Gamelon is the Usurper. Oh but wait, right after that Tiam sets himself up to call anyone who puts any pressure on Emur the Usurper. What a pair of giant logical leaps regarding what Tiam 'thinks' the Usurper would do. I am unsure why you would put that out in the open since it is all WIFOM, and you are just making it blatant WIFOM, which is the worst kind of WIFOM known. I don't mind giant posts, but giant posts that have no real substance besides 'if I was the usurper, I would do this...' are pointless, unless you actually are the usurper and feel like taunting us as you go about your merry giant posting way. I wonder if most of the people in the game think 'Well, Tiam is making these giant posts, he must be contributing a lot' while not actually reading them. If you are doing this, please go read his posts. There is very little there.

Classic stuff!!!

Now I' guilty of posting a lot but not contributing much, eh?
What's next? Flying pigs, and dwarves that don't smell?


Guess you 'conveniently' left out some things, Kesso...

Since you 'read' these posts, and what I have been saying so far, kindly explain to me which part of <It's not just a 5% chance to lynch the Usurper and get him out of the game, there is still a different way that will net us a 33% chance to put a major stop to his plans> did you not understand?


PS: I had a great weekend, even still not fully recovered from a quadriceps breakage, we managed to win our first official basketball game, and the leg held fine for the two last quarters I was needed in to play~
Hoozay!

[Galain]

Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 06:47 AM, said:

Classic stuff!!!

Now I' guilty of posting a lot but not contributing much, eh?
What's next? Flying pigs, and dwarves that don't smell?

The two are not mutually exclusive, if your posts are just wordy but boil down to a single simple point than can expressed in a handful of words.

[Sorrit]

Not much content happened over the weekend, I know I was one of the guilty parties but with 20 odd players you'd think there may have been a little more discussion. I had a very busy weekend, and spent a lot of yesterday in the hospital. Serc still looks favourite for todays lynch as of the signalling from Gamelon, mainly because we know that Gamelon was a civil officer. I can see the other options and we can keep our eyes open but if we get rid of Serc we at least get his cf and see if we were right about the signalling.

[Sorrit]

On that note actually I will



Vote Serc


I should be around for a lot of the day so I will be able to change my vote if I see something more worthy of a lynch. I'll be gone for the next few hours though.

[Barghast]

That was a slow, slow weekend. I'm here, but also very busy at work, so time spent reading/ posting will be limited, most likely.

[Thyrllan]

Urgh, what a weekend. Sorry I wasn't here to post more
And we're back into the swing of things!

So, Emur and Serc are still looking dodgy from yesterday, and Tiam's getting a bit of attention over their rather intense emperor/Usurper hunting.

I think Tiam has a point about emperor hunting being a good way to halt the Usurper, but I don't think it's all that practical. Aside from the fact there are a number of people who will be seriously unenthusiastic about lynching a member of their own faction, Tiam seems to be putting them-self fairly blatantly into the "I don't have an emperor" camp(s). For me that's just a little too heavy, so I'm certainly suspicious that Tiam making a concerted effort NOT to be seen as an emperor.

[Osseric]

I agree with Karosis that Tiam's obsession about lynching Emperors just to screw the Userper might also be a way to disguise her own Emperor-ness.

Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 06:47 AM, said:

Since you 'read' these posts, and what I have been saying so far, kindly explain to me which part of <It's not just a 5% chance to lynch the Usurper and get him out of the game, there is still a different way that will net us a 33% chance to put a major stop to his plans> did you not understand?

Regardless, I have just a question for Tiamantha: assuming you're saying all this in good faith, what if the Usurper is screwed by the early death of your Emperor? You want to hunt him still? Is that really helping you? Or did you never ask yourself because you do not have one? (Ok, that last question is a bit leading )

[Rashan]

That is if Tiamatha has an Emperor...

Tiamatha could be an Emperor (in which case she would love to go Emperor hunting to eliminate competition and act like empire subject simultaneously) or a Warlord/Champion, in which case she would definitely want to eliminate both Emperor's and Emperor's to be.

[Ruse]

Osseric, on 03 October 2011 - 10:08 AM, said:

I agree with Karosis that Tiam's obsession about lynching Emperors just to screw the Userper might also be a way to disguise her own Emperor-ness.

Tiamatha, on 03 October 2011 - 06:47 AM, said:

Since you 'read' these posts, and what I have been saying so far, kindly explain to me which part of <It's not just a 5% chance to lynch the Usurper and get him out of the game, there is still a different way that will net us a 33% chance to put a major stop to his plans> did you not understand?

Regardless, I have just a question for Tiamantha: assuming you're saying all this in good faith, what if the Usurper is screwed by the early death of your Emperor? You want to hunt him still? Is that really helping you? Or did you never ask yourself because you do not have one? (Ok, that last question is a bit leading )

TBH, it seems like Tiam is playing a "win win" situation. It's not that his posts don't make sense, it's that under scrutiny they seem to be very self-serving. Of course, we are all self serving in this game, but the necessity to "push the agenda" makes me want to vote Tiam more than Serc.

I find myself agreeing with Kesso about the wifom bombs. I don't like that one bit, since wifom is the spice of the naughty.

One vote isn't enough to apply real pressure, so I'll go ahead and

Vote Tiam

as well.

[Path-Shaper]

VOTE COUNT

It is 226 AD (Day 2). 21 hours and 26 minutes remaining
24 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Sorritt, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

13 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Serc ( Sorritt )
2 Votes for Tiamatha ( Kessobahn, Ruse )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Korlat, Meanas, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Serc, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 03 October 2011 - 01:29 PM

[Osseric]

We have four players (Telas, Hood's Path, Rashan and Kaschan) that have equal or less posts that D'rek in this thread.

It's only beginning of day 2 now; with the new week starting I hope they'll find some more time to get in the game more.

[Kaschan]

JUst checking in for the moment - don't have time to catch up on teh thread. Sorry about the lack of participation, hopefully my time opens up later today.

[Meanas]

I'm happy to vote for either Serc or Tiamatha, but as of right now, I feel more certain about Serc's role. That is, all the analysis and theorising being thrown about only suggest one role for Serc - as Gamelon's Emperor. Whereas the same is not the case for Tiamatha - most seem to be agreed that he has some kind of power role, but unsure as to which one it is exactly. So for now, I will:

Vote Serc


Edit: spelling

This post has been edited by Meanas: 03 October 2011 - 01:51 PM

[Silanah]

Kaschan popped up 4 minutes after a mention. Interesting.

[Emurlahn]

Thyrllan, on 03 October 2011 - 09:18 AM, said:

Urgh, what a weekend. Sorry I wasn't here to post more
And we're back into the swing of things!

So, Emur and Serc are still looking dodgy from yesterday, and Tiam's getting a bit of attention over their rather intense emperor/Usurper hunting.

I think Tiam has a point about emperor hunting being a good way to halt the Usurper, but I don't think it's all that practical. Aside from the fact there are a number of people who will be seriously unenthusiastic about lynching a member of their own faction, Tiam seems to be putting them-self fairly blatantly into the "I don't have an emperor" camp(s). For me that's just a little too heavy, so I'm certainly suspicious that Tiam making a concerted effort NOT to be seen as an emperor.

huh?
what exactly did I do over the weeknd to make me look "dodgy"?

i'm just checking in, gotta go to class soon. will be able to get on in a few h.

[Barghast]

It seems day 2 is all about digesting day 1 and being low on aggressiveness. I guess it will remain that way until someone is pressured enough and starts looking around for deterrents. So, to get some cracks visible in their armour:

vote Tiamatha.

For presenting a hypothesis and presenting it as a strategy "that is beneficial to all". If it can be put into practice to begin with.
It will be interesting to see whether or not someone will defend them or derail to Serc or Emur as the other prime suspects of yesterday, or when/whether Tia will stop laughing it away and countering.

[Osseric]

I'm not certain voting Serc would count as "derailing". It was 2-2 before your vote.

In a way Meanas is right that we have more clues as to who Serc could be. However, being a "known" makes me slightly less eager to lynch him today than Tiamantha, who is an "unknown". I'm still in between the two right now, I'm waiting to hear from more people and I hope Tiamantha.

[Osseric]

Just to clarify myself a bit more:

Since I think Serc is indeed Gamelon's emperor, voting him would be some good ol' fashion Culture hunting which could indeed, as Tiamantha said, hurt the Usurper also. On the other hand, Serc is "exposed", and it''s interesting to see how people react around him (like Barghast up there already comparing voting Serc to "derailing", hoping to scare people from doing it?), and if Tiam is a power role/warlord, I'd rather lynch her today than give her another night.

[Barghast]

Osseric, on 03 October 2011 - 02:47 PM, said:

I'm not certain voting Serc would count as "derailing". It was 2-2 before your vote.

In a way Meanas is right that we have more clues as to who Serc could be. However, being a "known" makes me slightly less eager to lynch him today than Tiamantha, who is an "unknown". I'm still in between the two right now, I'm waiting to hear from more people and I hope Tiamantha.

I should have worded it different, then, and merely point out that Serc is at this point the easiest bet for anyone wanting to keep Tiamatha alive. An entirely new case would be more interesting, though