[Karosis]

What is clear is that Ruse is someone important enough for Thyr to balatanly symp him....

[Thyrllan]

To answer Kess and Karo, Osseric's mistake was that he thought notices could be sent by anyone. Ruse made the same mistake. I'm not talking about the content of the notices.

And I'm not claiming Emur is anything other than someone who people are following. The reason for which could be nothing more than the fact that he gets on lynch trains early and they tend to go through, so people are just relieved the attention's not on themselves.

What I'm actually doing with my vote is putting it somewhere that interests me. You know, that discussion people where having before the Ruse train. And I don't think Ruse is much of target, based on this

Emurlahn, on 14 October 2011 - 07:19 PM, said:

Heh, clever.

Actually, i thought Ruse was the Lu pm, what with him being so adamant supporter of JA. Now, im not so sure. Problem is, at this point, the Lu stragglers are basically on their own, and thus hardly distinguishable from barbs on the Ma Chao's side.

Since I came to the conclusion that Ruse was Lu as well. Which I think he's hinted at a couple of times now. So, while it's tempting to get rid of stragglers, I'd rather we go for an unknown and get some new information.

Unless there's any particularly good reason for getting rid of stragglers. I suppose there's something to be said for tidiness.

[Karosis]

Thyrllan, on 18 October 2011 - 10:23 AM, said:

To answer Kess and Karo, Osseric's mistake was that he thought notices could be sent by anyone. Ruse made the same mistake. I'm not talking about the content of the notices.

But the content of this notice is the most important factor.


the fact that ruse thought "anyone" could send a notice was simply a defense on his part when this reveal came about. And I pointed his error out to show that not just anybody can send notices...and that for the most part notices have proved to be correct when sent.

Its not damning one way or another if he thought everyone can send a notice. It is interesting however....and leads to a few conclusios that could be made.
Like if the content of the notice is correct....then there is decent chance he is the usurper if he can send notices.

Either way.... the content is that Ruse is not empire.

Thats what people are basing their votes off of...not the fact that he didnt know only certain people can send notices. At least that is why i am.

[Karosis]

going to my sister...should be back i a few hours.


5.30 hours left or so right?

[Atrahal]

Im not sure what to make of that notice. There have been a lot over the last few days. I'm not sure if it is just someone stiring the pot. Or did some get a find on him.
I will hold off for now with vote.

[Barghast]

Atrahal, on 18 October 2011 - 11:07 AM, said:

Im not sure what to make of that notice. There have been a lot over the last few days. I'm not sure if it is just someone stiring the pot. Or did some get a find on him.
I will hold off for now with vote.

What strikes me is the wording.


Instead of 'not from a kingdom' it could also have been worded as 'barbarian' or 'the usurper'. It is somewhat ambiguous in nature, where, to get a majority on the train, clarity would have been preferred as barbs would vote the usurper and the usurper would vote barbarians. Therefore smacks a bit fake. But, I see no reason to not test the waters.

Vote Ruse

As with 5 hours on the clock, he seems the only legit option for a lynch, and I was happy with my vote as I placed it.

[Silanah]

Has anyone else comfirmed the notice?

I managed to wake up early, and just finished reading the thread.

I stand by my earlier theory of Karosis and Emur being connected.

Ruse "aint kingdoms" (Emur).

So why not say specify whether he is Barbarian or Usurper. There is no possible way that Ruse could be a barbarian, because of early game illuminations. Unless, of course, Barbarians have a movement ability.

I really don't intend to let Karosis get away this time. If he turns out Xia, than we'll know (most likely) who the Emperor is. If he comes out barbarian, we all win.

[Silanah]

X-posted above with Barghast.

I don't see how Karosis is not a viable lynch.

Lynching a lu at this point has about the same affect as lynching no one at all.

If Ruse turns out to be non middle kingdoms, I'm going to feel dumb.

[Silanah]

And now I'm alone. Damnit.

[Barghast]

Silanah, on 18 October 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

X-posted above with Barghast.

I don't see how Karosis is not a viable lynch.

Lynching a lu at this point has about the same affect as lynching no one at all.

If Ruse turns out to be non middle kingdoms, I'm going to feel dumb.

Actually, in the light of last man standing, the Lu need to be removed entirely. As such, a lynched Lu would be preferable to a no-lynch, except to those who are Lu, of course. And despite missing their emperor and PM, I do consider them a threat, anyway: their civil servants can convert themselves to military officials and try to kill, and kills tend to be dangerous.

[Silanah]

They can only switch in the location of their emperor.
In fact...

D, on 24 August 2011 - 10:37 PM, said:

Civil Official
Civil Officials can use the standard guard and find night actions. They know the alt and Location of their Emperor. During the day, if they are in the same Location as their Emperor, they can change into Military Officers.


Military Officer
Military Officers can use the standard heal and kill night actions. They know the alt and Location of their Emperor. During the day, if they are in the same Location as their Emperor, they can change into Civil Officials.

There. I suppose there could be some Military Officers already, but I'd argue that the Usurper and Barbs are more dangerous.

[Kessobahn]

Silanah, on 18 October 2011 - 11:25 AM, said:

Has anyone else comfirmed the notice?

I managed to wake up early, and just finished reading the thread.

I stand by my earlier theory of Karosis and Emur being connected.

Ruse "aint kingdoms" (Emur).

So why not say specify whether he is Barbarian or Usurper. There is no possible way that Ruse could be a barbarian, because of early game illuminations. Unless, of course, Barbarians have a movement ability.

I really don't intend to let Karosis get away this time. If he turns out Xia, than we'll know (most likely) who the Emperor is. If he comes out barbarian, we all win.

How early were those illuminations? Care to share? Can anyone confirm those like you are asking for the notice to be confirmed?

I'm willing to vote for Ruse at this point because I don't know where he stands. Of course he hinted at being part of the biggest faction. Its a good place to be safe and to be recruited from once your Emperor/PM are dead.

Vote Ruse

If Ruse ends up not being a cultist or barbarian, then we turn around and lynch Karosis because Emur is protecting him, but if Ruse comes out as cult or barbarian, we all win.

[Ruse]

Telas, on 18 October 2011 - 09:40 AM, said:

As things stand now though, a vote on Ruse seems the best bet. The way I see it getting low posters (yes yes, pot, kettle, that sort of thing) is advantageous to an extent, simply to remove elements that are difficult to fit into patterns. Ruse is certainly one such in my opinion, though Kaschan qualifies as well.

It seems ridiculously hard to find barbarians though, and as such it doesn't hurt to gamble on the truth of a notice in my opinion.

vote Ruse

Are you fucking playing this game? Low poster? I have 85 posts, only 7 people have more than me (and meanas/mockra did theirs all at once).

People who are herp derping onto my lynch train need to be given a serious look after I come up non-usurper and non-barbarian. Especially this Emur and Karosis combo. (I've been giving them crap the past couple of days, so I'm sure they'd be happy to see me go).


Remove vote

Vote Karosis


People need to look at Barghast. Sure, Lu need to be removed in a last man standing sense, but are you forgetting there is a recruiter out there? Everyone seems pretty damn unconcerned about this, which bargy's post exemplefies, which is a first for me in malazan mafia.

Oh, and I'm back, obviously.

[Silanah]

Kessobahn, on 18 October 2011 - 12:13 PM, said:

Silanah, on 18 October 2011 - 11:25 AM, said:

Has anyone else comfirmed the notice?

I managed to wake up early, and just finished reading the thread.

I stand by my earlier theory of Karosis and Emur being connected.

Ruse "aint kingdoms" (Emur).

So why not say specify whether he is Barbarian or Usurper. There is no possible way that Ruse could be a barbarian, because of early game illuminations. Unless, of course, Barbarians have a movement ability.

I really don't intend to let Karosis get away this time. If he turns out Xia, than we'll know (most likely) who the Emperor is. If he comes out barbarian, we all win.

How early were those illuminations? Care to share? Can anyone confirm those like you are asking for the notice to be confirmed?

I'm willing to vote for Ruse at this point because I don't know where he stands. Of course he hinted at being part of the biggest faction. Its a good place to be safe and to be recruited from once your Emperor/PM are dead.

Vote Ruse

If Ruse ends up not being a cultist or barbarian, then we turn around and lynch Karosis because Emur is protecting him, but if Ruse comes out as cult or barbarian, we all win.

Blerg. It was night 2. I hate giving away information.

[Silanah]

And yes, I was asking for a confirmation of the notice. An exact wording would be nice.

[Ruse]

This makes me wish I'd faked a few messages. This is one of the dumbest reasons to lynch someone ever - even if it wasn't me, I wouldn't vote for something like this because uncorraborated anonymouse revealing would be too highly suspect in my book. Someone is laughing into their long billowy sleeve.

And seriously, if someone has an illumination about who is where Emur is(supposedly the message location), then that'll narrow down your suspect pool for Usurper.

[Silanah]

Ruse, on 18 October 2011 - 12:19 PM, said:

This makes me wish I'd faked a few messages. This is one of the dumbest reasons to lynch someone ever - even if it wasn't me, I wouldn't vote for something like this because uncorraborated anonymouse revealing would be too highly suspect in my book. Someone is laughing into their long billowy sleeve.

And seriously, if someone has an illumination about who is where Emur is(supposedly the message location), then that'll narrow down your suspect pool for Usurper.

Why do you want an illumination about the people in Emur's location? And why will that narrow down the suspect pool for Usurper? I don't understand that part.

I have Emur's position narrowed down to two places, with relative certainty. I don't know the others in the location, though.

Edit: Fixed a missing letter

This post has been edited by Silanah: 18 October 2011 - 12:37 PM

[Ruse]

Because the person (IMO) who was most likely to send this message was the usurper. Now that I understand the real messaging system, only certain players including the usurper can message, and as far as I can fathom he's the only one who has a motive to lie about me. So, if we know who was at Emur's location when the message went out, we can narrow the suspect pool.

[Kessobahn]

Ruse, on 18 October 2011 - 12:19 PM, said:

This makes me wish I'd faked a few messages. This is one of the dumbest reasons to lynch someone ever - even if it wasn't me, I wouldn't vote for something like this because uncorraborated anonymouse revealing would be too highly suspect in my book. Someone is laughing into their long billowy sleeve.

And seriously, if someone has an illumination about who is where Emur is(supposedly the message location), then that'll narrow down your suspect pool for Usurper.

So Silanah just pretty much revealed as Yan in an attempt to save Ruse's life. I find it interesting that most speculation is that Sima Yi is going to come out of the Yan group, as they are easily the largest. Unless I misread something, the Yan emperor is dead, which means that you two cannot actually know each other unless you are something other than simple Yan officers.

As a note, Silanah, the gorgonsun barbarians are the 'white riders', from the OP. I would guess they can move faster than a kingdom person, but that is just a guess.

[Kessobahn]

And I quoted the wrong post above. Awesome.

Meanwhile, Ruse is claiming the only person that has anything against him would be the Usurper... why? Are you some kind of Usurper hunter? Why would he target you?