[Barghast]

Ruse, on 18 October 2011 - 08:34 AM, said:

I won't be on for a while, so I might as well get my info out there -

On night 2, Barghast, Silanah and Mockra were in Yong An with me.

I believe strongly that Silanah is a civil official of the Yan(unless he's swapped to military since then), because he came out gunning for Osseric as emperor like he had a find to back that info up. He was pushing Osseric as "Yan Emperor", but I believe that was just obfuscation to help hide his own identity.

BTW Karosis

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And he can send notices himself since he believes that anyone can (could be playing dumb about that though)
That would mean that he is the Usurper.

I've never sent one, so that proves nothing either way. If I can send them, I would have kept on with my assumption that everyone could. If I can't send them, then D'rek would have let me know when I tried. As such, I have never sent one so my ignorance remained intact.

Mockra was in Yong An too, which backs up his claim of having only been one tile away (Jiang Xi) on Day 1.

Many of you had me pegged (Emurlahn included) as Lu earlier - funny Emur is so quick to change his mind based on someone's anonymouse message.

May I suggest you (re)read the part of the OP which says who can send notices? It quite clearly explains who can, therefore, your assumption is off, and there is no need for your ignorance.

[Karosis]

im sorry but if i wanted to hop on a good opportunity i would have simply jumped on the biggest train...ie kaschan.

[Karosis]

Thyrllan, on 18 October 2011 - 08:29 AM, said:

Osseric made the same mistake about notices. Suggesting Ruse is non kingdom because of the notices thing doesn't make sense, given that Osseric was kingdom too.

there was a notice about osseric...wich was correct that floated around.

It looked to me that Osseric made up a fake notice that was exactly the same as the one about him in order the muddy the waters about the one naming and shaming himself..

thats the way i saw it.

[Ruse]

Barghast, on 18 October 2011 - 09:05 AM, said:

Ruse, on 18 October 2011 - 08:34 AM, said:

I won't be on for a while, so I might as well get my info out there -

On night 2, Barghast, Silanah and Mockra were in Yong An with me.

I believe strongly that Silanah is a civil official of the Yan(unless he's swapped to military since then), because he came out gunning for Osseric as emperor like he had a find to back that info up. He was pushing Osseric as "Yan Emperor", but I believe that was just obfuscation to help hide his own identity.

BTW Karosis

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And he can send notices himself since he believes that anyone can (could be playing dumb about that though)
That would mean that he is the Usurper.

I've never sent one, so that proves nothing either way. If I can send them, I would have kept on with my assumption that everyone could. If I can't send them, then D'rek would have let me know when I tried. As such, I have never sent one so my ignorance remained intact.

Mockra was in Yong An too, which backs up his claim of having only been one tile away (Jiang Xi) on Day 1.

Many of you had me pegged (Emurlahn included) as Lu earlier - funny Emur is so quick to change his mind based on someone's anonymouse message.

May I suggest you (re)read the part of the OP which says who can send notices? It quite clearly explains who can, therefore, your assumption is off, and there is no need for your ignorance.

Hey Genius, I even quoted it for Karosis. If you look at it, it says "Notices" in bold and has the mechanics below that. You have to look above that to see for whom it applies. When you don't read carefully, it looks like the sentence above the bold is part of the previous section about moving. Normally a bold heading starts a new section.

[Karosis]

Barghast, on 18 October 2011 - 09:05 AM, said:

Ruse, on 18 October 2011 - 08:34 AM, said:

I won't be on for a while, so I might as well get my info out there -

On night 2, Barghast, Silanah and Mockra were in Yong An with me.

I believe strongly that Silanah is a civil official of the Yan(unless he's swapped to military since then), because he came out gunning for Osseric as emperor like he had a find to back that info up. He was pushing Osseric as "Yan Emperor", but I believe that was just obfuscation to help hide his own identity.

BTW Karosis

Quote

And he can send notices himself since he believes that anyone can (could be playing dumb about that though)
That would mean that he is the Usurper.

I've never sent one, so that proves nothing either way. If I can send them, I would have kept on with my assumption that everyone could. If I can't send them, then D'rek would have let me know when I tried. As such, I have never sent one so my ignorance remained intact.

Mockra was in Yong An too, which backs up his claim of having only been one tile away (Jiang Xi) on Day 1.

Many of you had me pegged (Emurlahn included) as Lu earlier - funny Emur is so quick to change his mind based on someone's anonymouse message.

May I suggest you (re)read the part of the OP which says who can send notices? It quite clearly explains who can, therefore, your assumption is off, and there is no need for your ignorance.

the mere fact that he thought that "EVERYONE" could send notices means that he can.
Simple really.

[Ruse]

Karosis, on 18 October 2011 - 09:06 AM, said:

im sorry but if i wanted to hop on a good opportunity i would have simply jumped on the biggest train...ie kaschan.

Perhaps, but people in mafia tend to jump on any sort of revealed info as likely to become some sort of sure thing - Kaschan is just based on the same hunches as everyone else.

[Karosis]

Ruse, on 18 October 2011 - 09:09 AM, said:

Hey Genius, I even quoted it for Karosis. If you look at it, it says "Notices" in bold and has the mechanics below that. You have to look above that to see for whom it applies. When you don't read carefully, it looks like the sentence above the bold is part of the previous section about moving. Normally a bold heading starts a new section.

So you are claiming you cant send a notice then?

[Ruse]

I'm not claming either. Not that it matters, since people will believe what they want.

[Barghast]

Ruse, on 18 October 2011 - 09:15 AM, said:

I'm not claming either. Not that it matters, since people will believe what they want.

That's pretty defeatist.

[Karosis]

I feel there is much better targets than ruse to fake reveal this notice about.

If anyone wanted to save anyone else i think Kaschan could have sold me out....or I would have framed HP.
Or anybody else that has had his name bandied about as potential barbarian/usurper.

The fact that out of the blue, someone has outed Ruse is telling in itself in my book.

[Ruse]

Well, I have to agree with you there. I'm a good choice if all you want to do is waste time, but other than that I'm not sure of the motivation.

@Barghast

Defeatist? Not really. I can claim one and be called the usurper (or kingdoms) or claim the other and be called a barbarian. My claim can't be verified so it's sort of a moot point.

[Ruse]

WIFOM, but maybe it's because several people felt I was a known quantity, and this throws a wrinkle. There are people who don't want many known quantities around.

[Ruse]

Well, I'm leaving now and as I said, I won't be around for a bit. I will be back before deadline though and see where the votes are and if I'm needed to vote.

Hopefully the train wont be me.

[Barghast]

Blergh.

Remove vote.

I should be around until deadline time. As for known quantity, funnily enough you are one of the people with a questionmark next to their name in my book.

[Karosis]

i dont see how ruse can claim to be a known quantity....but...erm...okaaay

[Thyrllan]

Karosis, on 18 October 2011 - 09:09 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 18 October 2011 - 08:29 AM, said:

Osseric made the same mistake about notices. Suggesting Ruse is non kingdom because of the notices thing doesn't make sense, given that Osseric was kingdom too.

there was a notice about osseric...wich was correct that floated around.

It looked to me that Osseric made up a fake notice that was exactly the same as the one about him in order the muddy the waters about the one naming and shaming himself..

thats the way i saw it.

Yes, but what I was actually referring to was this:

Barghast, on 07 October 2011 - 08:01 AM, said:

Osseric, on 07 October 2011 - 05:17 AM, said:

Good night sleep, I've been thinking a bit and I realize I might have been played.

I'm going to go full disclosure because I think this is important to many in the game.

On day 2 I got a Notice that said "Emurlahn is Zhang Xiu, Emperor."

That was right before I attacked him, because I didn't of course 100% trust an anonymous notice but it brought me back to re-read his posts, and I saw that he was cruising.

(quite sure I wasn't the only one at my location who got this, because many reacted favorably to the post where I attacked Emurlahn, I think some of them might have been considering what to do and were happy someone else took the bite )

When I got the heat after that my first reaction was that the notice was true, but now I have some doubts; thinking back I fail to see what a real finder would have to gain by sending notices like that. However, doing this kind of stuff by sticking high posters' names is a good way to make sure the thread will be a shitstorm for a while, allowing the special roles to cruise longer.

Only civil officials (and their counterpart military officers) plus the Usurper can send out Notices. So the absolute majority of the people who can send a notice are people who are/ can turn themselves into finders. Why they would do so is very simple, and consists of multiple facets. Reasons for publishing your find in a notice:


1. Gather pre-emptive support for a (bad) case you have to make on someone you believe is important enough to lynch based on your find result. Since your case relies on a find, you're going to have to go with what you can dig up on that guy;
2. Let your find-result reach others in your faction so that if you die, there's a chance the knowledge continues;
3. See who reacts so you know their location and perhaps their alignment;
4. You're not going to move anyway so better use that notice ability to your best benefit.

the fact that you ask this, makes me think you haven't reasoned most of this out yet.
If you had, you wouldn't ask it as it only invites people to point out the inconsistency. Couple that with the fact that you also didn't take the fact into account that those who can post notices, are civvies/military officers (of which we now have confirmation that there are multiple per faction thanks to Rashan also turning up as a military (and therefore, also civvie)), plus the Usurper, makes me think you definately aren't a simple cogwheel in any Kingdom's bureaucracy, but a bit more of a head honcho or special role.

[Telas]

Emurlahn, on 17 October 2011 - 02:21 PM, said:

morning, everyone.

seems fuck all has hapened during my night. i'm impressed.

don't have much to go on at this time, and i've gotta be in class soon.

@ telas; last ten pages? we've been warlord hunting. possible suspects included Karosis, Hood's path and Omtose. Omtose accused Karosis of being a White rider (he claimed he was a finder. he also said that after that he tried to do a find on HP, and was blocked "by a rider in white". his story was kinda odd, so he got a few votes,and then feaked out, and thretened to reveal all that he found on thread, which led to his lynch. he turned out to be a "Xia assasin"

and then the day after, there was more back and forth between Karosis and HP, leavign everyone confused, so we voted off Galain for the earlier implications of his pissing match with Khell. it turned out he was Lu PM.

Ah, well that's the end for the Lu faction as any sort of threat then. thanks for the summary.

Hood, on 17 October 2011 - 02:58 PM, said:

Hello everyone,

Nice summary Emurlahn, though you forgot to mention that Ruse is starting to look at Tennes as well.

The Tennes thing is very interesting. You have Khell claiming that both Tennes and Mockra was in Jiang Xia on night 1/day 2 ( can't quite remember). Turns out Mockra was Meanas was Khell which makes sense why he refereneced Mockra. He was trying to save both of their butts. The question is why did he mention Tennes too? Well regardless of why he mentioned him the results have been pretty much everyone not Yan are probably assuming that he is either Yan but don't want to look like they are Yan hunting or Meanas/Mockra/Khell threw his name out there knowing that he isn't a member of Yan so Tennes might be a member of their own faction. The interesting part of this is that why aren't the members of Yan trying to lynch him? Either he is unknown to them as well or he is in fact their emperor and know not to start a case on him.

The question that I would like to pose to the rest of you if you were in Meanas's position would you ever put that kind of spotlight on your emperor just to save your own hide?

I find it amusing that Khell is still being brought up as an authority. Why are his suspicions valuable?

Sheltatha Lore, on 17 October 2011 - 11:20 PM, said:

I'm not a wild about a low poster hunt for its own sake, I'd say there are people from every faction laying low or having RL excuses that are legit. We're all getting too much time in the game to stop caring. If we can't find anyone that can be pursued with facts, cases, etc., then I say we can go for the slackers.

Now I have pondered the Tennes situation which I called WIFOM. I think Khell would go out helping his team if he could, and I don't think he would throw a WIFOM bomb just for spite. (yes I know this is WIFOM within a WIFOM wrapped up in an enigma) - my point is I think he was telling what truth he had available to him. Therefore, I think Tennes to be non-Yan at any rate.


Telas is one who I have a bit of gut about. I say Usurper or Warlord until convinced otherwise. He has slipped in & out of focus so much, he's slick, maybe getting help with deflections (I can't even find that, so no quotes) Many of you have said similar things.


I must:

Vote Telas

I will be back before time out.

So, the gist of this vote is that there's nothing that makes you think I'm a good lynch, yet you think I am all the same?

[Telas]

As things stand now though, a vote on Ruse seems the best bet. The way I see it getting low posters (yes yes, pot, kettle, that sort of thing) is advantageous to an extent, simply to remove elements that are difficult to fit into patterns. Ruse is certainly one such in my opinion, though Kaschan qualifies as well.

It seems ridiculously hard to find barbarians though, and as such it doesn't hurt to gamble on the truth of a notice in my opinion.

vote Ruse

[Kessobahn]

Thyrllan, on 18 October 2011 - 08:29 AM, said:

So much deja vu I'm dizzy.

Osseric made the same mistake about notices. Suggesting Ruse is non kingdom because of the notices thing doesn't make sense, given that Osseric was kingdom too.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but was it not only the last game day that we had a number of possible trains, then Emur came in, voted Galain and then lynch. Now we have Emur complaining (again) that the complications of the current trains are too much for his brain to handle, voting someone else (two someone elses actually) and matching the strongest train within three hours. On the basis of Notice which could have been sent by any official or the usurper.

What is this? Emur has voted, drop what you're doing and follow him? And no Emur, I'm not suggesting you're necessarily looking for followers, but you sure do seem to be finding them.

I know we had a weekend between the last game day and this one, but really!

Vote Karosis

Because in my opinion he's probably a barbarian. And screw your sheep train.

So, your case is that

1) Osseric made a mistake about notices, notices that turned out be correct
2) Emurlahn has quite a few followers voting however he does

so you vote for Karosis? Assuming you have an emperor, wouldn't it make more sense to vote for Emur since you seem to be claiming that he is an Emperor or Sima Yi? Instead you add your vote to the next biggest train. That seems fishy to me, unless you are just trying to misdirect away from Ruse. Which would mean you know Ruse which would suggest Ruse has a power role.

How many power roles do we have left? 2 barb chiefs/seconds, Sima Yi, and a smattering of Emps/Prime Ministers. 15 players alive and that is what, 8-10 of them being high-power-ish roles?

Very few followers left, especially if Sima has been busy.

[Karosis]

Thyrllan, on 18 October 2011 - 09:34 AM, said:

Karosis, on 18 October 2011 - 09:09 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 18 October 2011 - 08:29 AM, said:

Osseric made the same mistake about notices. Suggesting Ruse is non kingdom because of the notices thing doesn't make sense, given that Osseric was kingdom too.

there was a notice about osseric...wich was correct that floated around.

It looked to me that Osseric made up a fake notice that was exactly the same as the one about him in order the muddy the waters about the one naming and shaming himself..

thats the way i saw it.

Yes, but what I was actually referring to was this:

Barghast, on 07 October 2011 - 08:01 AM, said:

Osseric, on 07 October 2011 - 05:17 AM, said:

Good night sleep, I've been thinking a bit and I realize I might have been played.

I'm going to go full disclosure because I think this is important to many in the game.

On day 2 I got a Notice that said "Emurlahn is Zhang Xiu, Emperor."

That was right before I attacked him, because I didn't of course 100% trust an anonymous notice but it brought me back to re-read his posts, and I saw that he was cruising.

(quite sure I wasn't the only one at my location who got this, because many reacted favorably to the post where I attacked Emurlahn, I think some of them might have been considering what to do and were happy someone else took the bite )

When I got the heat after that my first reaction was that the notice was true, but now I have some doubts; thinking back I fail to see what a real finder would have to gain by sending notices like that. However, doing this kind of stuff by sticking high posters' names is a good way to make sure the thread will be a shitstorm for a while, allowing the special roles to cruise longer.

Only civil officials (and their counterpart military officers) plus the Usurper can send out Notices. So the absolute majority of the people who can send a notice are people who are/ can turn themselves into finders. Why they would do so is very simple, and consists of multiple facets. Reasons for publishing your find in a notice:


1. Gather pre-emptive support for a (bad) case you have to make on someone you believe is important enough to lynch based on your find result. Since your case relies on a find, you're going to have to go with what you can dig up on that guy;
2. Let your find-result reach others in your faction so that if you die, there's a chance the knowledge continues;
3. See who reacts so you know their location and perhaps their alignment;
4. You're not going to move anyway so better use that notice ability to your best benefit.

the fact that you ask this, makes me think you haven't reasoned most of this out yet.
If you had, you wouldn't ask it as it only invites people to point out the inconsistency. Couple that with the fact that you also didn't take the fact into account that those who can post notices, are civvies/military officers (of which we now have confirmation that there are multiple per faction thanks to Rashan also turning up as a military (and therefore, also civvie)), plus the Usurper, makes me think you definately aren't a simple cogwheel in any Kingdom's bureaucracy, but a bit more of a head honcho or special role.

i fail to see your poit