[Hood's Path]

Emurlahn, on 17 October 2011 - 08:24 PM, said:

it's a risk, for certain. however, if I can't get a read on a player, chances are much higher than not that he's on one of the other factions.

That is one way to look at it. I suppose even the most thought out of cases could end up being wrong and you end of lynching a teammate by mistake too.

[Korlat]

Hood, on 17 October 2011 - 08:28 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 17 October 2011 - 08:24 PM, said:

it's a risk, for certain. however, if I can't get a read on a player, chances are much higher than not that he's on one of the other factions.

That is one way to look at it. I suppose even the most thought out of cases could end up being wrong and you end of lynching a teammate by mistake too.

I think sometimes you get to the point where you've gotten lynches based on quite good cases and circumstances that have turned out to have a bad outcome, sometimes in this situation shifting slightly can help a little, lynching a teammate is always an 'oh shit' moment but most factions aren't doing great on that front and it does feel like there is an element of hiding going on too because we've yet to hit on one of these outsider groups.

It's not the best reason for a lynch but if people aren't posting, we aren't able to make cases on them or get feeling off them either way which makes it difficult, that kind of uncertainty could prove bad later on.

Although I have to say i've had suspicions since day two I think it was of Barghast, part some of the things he has said and done through the game and part gut (and no it has nothing to do with the avatar).

[Hood's Path]

Korlat, on 17 October 2011 - 09:34 PM, said:

Hood, on 17 October 2011 - 08:28 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 17 October 2011 - 08:24 PM, said:

it's a risk, for certain. however, if I can't get a read on a player, chances are much higher than not that he's on one of the other factions.

That is one way to look at it. I suppose even the most thought out of cases could end up being wrong and you end of lynching a teammate by mistake too.

I think sometimes you get to the point where you've gotten lynches based on quite good cases and circumstances that have turned out to have a bad outcome, sometimes in this situation shifting slightly can help a little, lynching a teammate is always an 'oh shit' moment but most factions aren't doing great on that front and it does feel like there is an element of hiding going on too because we've yet to hit on one of these outsider groups.

It's not the best reason for a lynch but if people aren't posting, we aren't able to make cases on them or get feeling off them either way which makes it difficult, that kind of uncertainty could prove bad later on.

Although I have to say i've had suspicions since day two I think it was of Barghast, part some of the things he has said and done through the game and part gut (and no it has nothing to do with the avatar).

So to paraphrase, What we've been doing hasn't been working. Let's go after those quiet as a mouse people and then we might actually find what we are loking for.

Is that what you are saying?

[Hood's Path]

Actually. That almost makes sense in a weird twisted reverse phycology way.

[Emurlahn]

doesn't seem like we're making much progress here

vote Kaschan
because I have to go to work now, and I won't be on much after, untill tomorrow morning which is post-day end.

we might as well get somthign going in the meantime.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Silanah, on 17 October 2011 - 03:55 PM, said:

I agree with shel, we can't think our way to a conclusion.

The question really is, do you think it's worth a lynch to investigate Tennes, or should we go after Karosis or Kaschan or someone else?

I'm not certain myself. I'm going to look back at some posts after class.

You haven't shown any interest in Karosis previously, seem to be helping protect him IMO. I'm not going to waste my time pushing unsupported lynches, he must be factioned with protection from somebody that knows his ID

[Sheltatha Lore]

Hood, on 17 October 2011 - 08:18 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 17 October 2011 - 08:03 PM, said:

here briefly

the Barghast idea seems interesting. though today i'm inclined to go for a low-poster, just so that we can be rid of them.

I'm wary of going after low posters just for the sake of them being low posters especially in a faction game. I don't want to inadvertantly eliminate an ally just because they are not contributing a ton. But I would like to put pressure on a few of them to get some more information out of them.

I agree with this. It seems half the people can be placed, the other half are indeterminable.

[Sheltatha Lore]

I'm not a wild about a low poster hunt for its own sake, I'd say there are people from every faction laying low or having RL excuses that are legit. We're all getting too much time in the game to stop caring. If we can't find anyone that can be pursued with facts, cases, etc., then I say we can go for the slackers.

Now I have pondered the Tennes situation which I called WIFOM. I think Khell would go out helping his team if he could, and I don't think he would throw a WIFOM bomb just for spite. (yes I know this is WIFOM within a WIFOM wrapped up in an enigma) - my point is I think he was telling what truth he had available to him. Therefore, I think Tennes to be non-Yan at any rate.


Telas is one who I have a bit of gut about. I say Usurper or Warlord until convinced otherwise. He has slipped in & out of focus so much, he's slick, maybe getting help with deflections (I can't even find that, so no quotes) Many of you have said similar things.


I must:

Vote Telas

I will be back before time out.

[Hood's Path]

A warm body. Yay!!! Unfortunately I have to be leaving soon so I won't be able to enjoy your company for long.

[Hood's Path]

Sheltatha Lore, on 17 October 2011 - 11:08 PM, said:

Silanah, on 17 October 2011 - 03:55 PM, said:

I agree with shel, we can't think our way to a conclusion.

The question really is, do you think it's worth a lynch to investigate Tennes, or should we go after Karosis or Kaschan or someone else?

I'm not certain myself. I'm going to look back at some posts after class.

You haven't shown any interest in Karosis previously, seem to be helping protect him IMO. I'm not going to waste my time pushing unsupported lynches, he must be factioned with protection from somebody that knows his ID

If I remember correctly I believe that Silanah had voted or was considering a vote on Karosis so this isn't true. Of couse I could be thinking of someone else and am completely off base on this.

[Hood's Path]

Sheltatha Lore, on 17 October 2011 - 11:20 PM, said:

I'm not a wild about a low poster hunt for its own sake, I'd say there are people from every faction laying low or having RL excuses that are legit. We're all getting too much time in the game to stop caring. If we can't find anyone that can be pursued with facts, cases, etc., then I say we can go for the slackers.

Now I have pondered the Tennes situation which I called WIFOM. I think Khell would go out helping his team if he could, and I don't think he would throw a WIFOM bomb just for spite. (yes I know this is WIFOM within a WIFOM wrapped up in an enigma) - my point is I think he was telling what truth he had available to him. Therefore, I think Tennes to be non-Yan at any rate.


Telas is one who I have a bit of gut about. I say Usurper or Warlord until convinced otherwise. He has slipped in & out of focus so much, he's slick, maybe getting help with deflections (I can't even find that, so no quotes) Many of you have said similar things.


I must:

Vote Telas

I will be back before time out.

I don't know. I think people are treating all information that Meanas/Mockra/Khell provided as tainted. The only piece of information that I feel comfortable with that he was supporting is that Thryllan is most likely Lu as I got the same feeling from a post that Thry made. Other than that I think the Telas info is just as suspect as the Tennes info.

[Kaschan]

Have a few spare minutes, and I see that the lynch the low poster bandwagon has finally started. Can't say I am all that surprised, nor can I really defend the fact that I have been a low poster or expect that my posting frequency will improve this game. The only thing I really have in my defence of that accusation is that I am in fact low posting due to time constraints, and not lurking. Anyone can pick out the few times I've been brought up as questionable due to lack of posts and how quickly I get on to reply (as in hours and hours later), so it should be fairly obvious that I am not low posting by design. As for people not knowing what team I am on, that is sort of the point in a faction game isn't it.

Not like knowing what faction someone started on means anything at this point anyway, what with the number of nights we have given the cult to recruit and the severe lack of attention they have gotten. Yeah, let's lynch some barbs or culture hunt, when there actually is a bigger threat everyone should care about.

[Path-Shaper]

It is 232 AD. 16 hours and 27 minutes remaining
15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Barghast, Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Okaros, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Silanah, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Kaschan ( Barghast, Tennes, Emurlahn )
1 Vote for Telas ( Sheltatha Lore )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Hood's Path )
1 Vote for Tennes ( Ruse )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Karosis, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korlat, Okaros, Silanah, Telas, Thyrllan

[Silanah]

Sheltatha Lore, on 17 October 2011 - 11:08 PM, said:

Silanah, on 17 October 2011 - 03:55 PM, said:

I agree with shel, we can't think our way to a conclusion.

The question really is, do you think it's worth a lynch to investigate Tennes, or should we go after Karosis or Kaschan or someone else?

I'm not certain myself. I'm going to look back at some posts after class.

You haven't shown any interest in Karosis previously, seem to be helping protect him IMO. I'm not going to waste my time pushing unsupported lynches, he must be factioned with protection from somebody that knows his ID

Actually, I was the 2nd vote on him on the day that we lynched Omtose

[Silanah]

I just sat down, been a hectic day for various reasons.

I'll be back aprox 4 hours before lynch, so if we need a hammer I'll be here most likely.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Silanah, on 18 October 2011 - 01:31 AM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 17 October 2011 - 11:08 PM, said:

Silanah, on 17 October 2011 - 03:55 PM, said:

I agree with shel, we can't think our way to a conclusion.

The question really is, do you think it's worth a lynch to investigate Tennes, or should we go after Karosis or Kaschan or someone else?

I'm not certain myself. I'm going to look back at some posts after class.

You haven't shown any interest in Karosis previously, seem to be helping protect him IMO. I'm not going to waste my time pushing unsupported lynches, he must be factioned with protection from somebody that knows his ID

Actually, I was the 2nd vote on him on the day that we lynched Omtose

I will stand corrected. So would you chalk his evasion up to skill, protection & diversion, or just timing when better/more immediate targets came up? If I'm off base here, feel free to say it.

[Silanah]

Hmm. He won in Omtose Vs Karosis because I switched my vote based on what little evidence was available. (I was influenced by Emur's assertion that there is a strong chance of Karosis being 3 kingdoms). He managed to avoid notice because Galain became the target of the day. If there is any deflection going on, it's from Emur.

I made this theory before, but the only person to respond to it bit my head off (Shel?).

If Karosis turns out to be a barb, Emur is as well. If he turns out to be Xia rank and file, Emur is likely the emperor. If Karosis turns out to be an emperor, Emur is likely also of the Xia faction.

With that

Vote Karosis

Also, I'd say since I switched my vote from him to Omtose he has been rather friendly toward me. I HATE NICE PEOPLE.

To answer your question directly, I think IF I am right, it's a combination of all of those factors.

I have to leave. My housing situation is fucked up, currently. Which messed with my schedule today.

As I said, I'll be on before lynch. I'd like to see a Karosis vote, but I'm willing to change if need be.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Kaschan, on 18 October 2011 - 12:07 AM, said:

Have a few spare minutes, and I see that the lynch the low poster bandwagon has finally started. Can't say I am all that surprised, nor can I really defend the fact that I have been a low poster or expect that my posting frequency will improve this game. The only thing I really have in my defence of that accusation is that I am in fact low posting due to time constraints, and not lurking. Anyone can pick out the few times I've been brought up as questionable due to lack of posts and how quickly I get on to reply (as in hours and hours later), so it should be fairly obvious that I am not low posting by design. As for people not knowing what team I am on, that is sort of the point in a faction game isn't it.

Not like knowing what faction someone started on means anything at this point anyway, what with the number of nights we have given the cult to recruit and the severe lack of attention they have gotten. Yeah, let's lynch some barbs or culture hunt, when there actually is a bigger threat everyone should care about.

I can understand RL time constraints, most of us have a lot of things going on. If you're not able to contribute often, perhaps you could provide some concise entries when you are around, and give us a reason not to think of you as a non-participant. I can't recall many of your posts, and that puts you in a group with a number of people that I don't have a feel for at this time. If I have overlooked something noteworthy, direct me to the relevant page.

What are your opinions of the state of things: I assume you refer to the Usurper as the "bigger threat" so who do you suspect? Who can you see as diverting attention away from the search for the Usurper & recruits?

[Kessobahn]

I have returned and have quite a bit to catch up on. Give me some time please. Looks like we still have quite a bit of time in day.

[Kaschan]

The problem I have with providing quality posts is in the same vein I have with posting at all. Both take time, obviously one more than the other. I previously picked out Tennes as a suspect for being Sima Yi, or one of the recruits, based on his previous post regarding the number of possible recruits. In terms of pointing the game away from the cult, that would have to be Emu. There have been a few days in a row where Emu was tossing out who he thought were barbs and/or pushing the fact we need to start lynching barbarians, as he thought they could have faction sizes approaching the 3 kingdom folks, It's possible he mentioned the cult in there somewhere, but I don't recall it. He's not the only one who has gone that route, just the one who stiicks out the most because of how active he is. In general, what I find alarming, and the reason I bring up the Usurper/cult in most of my recent posts, is that very few people even mention it.