[Barghast]

Anyway, I'm off to bed.

[Meanas]

Interesting that Gamelon decides to vote, with unconvincing reasoning, for the player that it's been suggested he might have signalled to at the very beginning of the game in Serc. Trying to avoid that accusation again much? It seems to me that Gamelon is slightly panicking. He's seeing that votes are beginning to be evenly split between himself and Emurlahn, abandons the Emur case - which he proclaims as just fishing for reactions - and targets the guy who forms part of the case on himself.

For someone who's urging others to look around and find suspicious activity in other players, this stinks of self-preservation play. Not that that definitively makes Gamelon an important player - I only note that there is certainly more than a whiff of worry about him.

[Meanas]

On the other side of the coin, Emurlahn's dismissive responses are suspicious themselves. Yeah, the case was flimsy, but the replies just ring alarm bells for me. I dunno, it's more of a gut feeling that, through good or lucky play, Gamelon et al might have cottoned on to something by highlighting Emurlahn. Need to think about this.

[Gamelon]

Barghast, on 29 September 2011 - 10:13 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 09:20 PM, said:

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

I am here briefly, as i'm nearly late for class.

as someone pointed out, your typical qwerty keyboard has a comma next to the m.



so htere, m,eanas!
now, since people don't seem capable of letting it go:



vote Gamelon

because oh, my, god, your case sucks



back in a few hours

I think this is a bogus post. Just because the [,] and [m] keys are next to each other on the keyboard...justifies nothing. And you seem to have deliberately made the same mistake just to prove that point? And then a deliberate OMGUS vote. None of this sits well with me. The hiding-in-plain-sight thing - trying to downplay things that would otherwise be suspicious by pointing them out, drawing attention to them, or deliberately being obvious about them - well, it's too early in the game for this to get a pass, I think.

Vote Emurlahn

Of course, the other problem right now is that with so many people playing, half of everyone (myself included) has 5 posts or fewer, and so at this point the nail that sticks up tends to get hammered down. Not a lot of other options, though.

OK, this stinks. So there aren't a lot of options? Well make some options then! But of course, that would involve sticking your head over the parapet and risk people looking at you critically, and we can't have that.

One. As Serc says, he has been aggressive already, so accusing him of being sheepish in following people does not make sense.
Two. You're under fire with a couple of votes on you (which so far, as well as any criticism on you, you've just laughed at) and instead of answering people's doubts about you, you've clearly chosen to deflect unto others instead. If Emur is important, for his team to let you struggle is natural. For me, I'm curious to see what you come up with. This spat with Serc (who, ironically, was the guy who tried hardest to shift votes unto Emurlahn in my book) could be distancing or just a weird lash out because Serc is playing more aggressively than most on thread.
Right now, I can really see no reason for alienating/ attacking someone who hasn't voted you and instead votes the guy who has an equal number as votes as you do.

Quote

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

I'm getting cozy with whom? Gamelon? Fuck Gamelon. Due to his involvement with Emurlahn I see him as the next best target besides Emur. I mentioned earlier that it looked like Game was trying to distance himself from Emur with a vote after their initial interaction. Or did you mean I was getting cozy with Emurlahn? Anyone who thinks there was any interaction between Emurlahn and I needs to reread the thread. My first response and comment to him was followed by a vote on him. Somehow people just started saying, "yeah, those interactions between serc/game/emur!!!" when in reality...the interactions are all between Gamelon and someone else.

I think your problem is you want to find Emur's Emperor and lynch him on day 1. Odds are that isn't going to happen. We have very little info to base a lynch on; it's day 1, that's how it is. The best option is to find the most suspicious interactions, explore them if possible, and lynch someone involved. You even say you're ok with an Emurlahn vote but you'd rather lynch the person he was signaling - great, that's exactly what I said when I voted, so how can you criticize me for following the line of thought you are putting forward? I smell hypocrisy and dissembling.

You think players with good roles are going to do anything that even remotely rocks the boat on Day 1 given that philosophy? No, they're just going to play along with the first thing that comes along. Which is exactly what you're suggesting everyone else does.




I've been looking for people who are trying to lay low. Of all those on thread, Serc looks the most suspicious. He wants to drive home the first thing that comes along and is unwilling to search for other options, despite acknowledging that it would be nice if there were some.

Remove Vote

Vote Serc

One. I'm curious if anyone on thread will agree with you on the point of Serc laying low. He may keep options open but he seems more driven than most.
Two. By saying important players lie low, you brand yourself as a small fry not worth pursuing since you stick out, so this is indirectly projecting a vision you want to create in your own defense.
Three. You may vote Serc (by all means, do, I have some doubts about his aggressiveness myself, but somehow you vote him for passiveness... odd) but your arguments for doing so do not really match my opinion on his play and behavior. Instead, it sounds rather desperate, some wild flailing.


In fact, you made up my mind.

Vote Gamelon.

I was actually swinging towards a vote on Emurlahn during the past hour which I spent away from thread, because he was clearly the one most likely to escape the lynch out of the two of you due to just being slightly moronic in most of his replies and that usually means you'll get away from a lynch if something other crops up.

Now, you followed the standard tactic of laughing off attacks. Fine by me, it's up to us to then up the pressure. It's also more than OK to bring someone else under scrutiny. But next time, try a little harder to match perception to argument, to make it slightly harder to debunk your 'case' (or attack), mmmkay? All you do now is sounding desperate, which isn't helping at all.

A player can sound aggressive, like Serc has done, without actually being so. As I've pointed out, he hasn't tried to look outside the Gamelon-Emurlahn orthodoxy, so what good is his 'aggression'? If anything, an angry tone serves to conceal the paucity of original thought underneath. The point I'm trying to make is that you are confusing tonal aggression for aggressive play. Just because Serc sprinkles some of his comments with swear words doesn't in any way change the fact that he has been sticking to safe opinions, which is what I mean by 'laying low'.


As for a lack of response to the cases against me, I felt I had explained myself sufficiently earlier in the day. Eg. #118, #127. A case made on page 2 is never going to be as strong as one made on page 5, and by the point I came back this evening I felt that enough muck had been stirred up to look at everyone else. I guess there were questions raised about my early interaction with Serc that I haven't responded to. Well in part I have responded by violently attacking Serc, in a manner that you seem to feel is unfounded. As to the rest of it, well, messing around in the first few posts is going to be my strategy. I've decided that playing things safe and boring doesn't work, so I am switching to trying out a different approach. I remember playing past games as scum and being mightily confused when people seemed to be symping me at the beginning. I aimed to create some confusion amongst a few players, cast some doubts - that niggling feeling of "Is he talking to me?" Is really quite off-putting when you've got a nice juicy role. Especially in a faction game where you're supposed to be on the lookout for teammates.

I guess from a straight self-preservation point of view I need another train, but frankly if I'd left things be I was pretty sure that Emurlahn would have been the eventual choice of the lynch mob. But I am not satisfied with just that. I want to see this game flower into life, I want to see discussion everywhere and on everything, and I was not seeing that. I was seeing a lot of sheeple. This magnificent setup deserves more than that, so I have been doing my best to help it on its way. And I think you'll agree, I've been doing a good job. Am I being Rash? Quite probably. Is it enjoyable? Most definitely .

Now, as to your other points, I'll admit that I'm guilty of trying to present the safe=Power Role, risky=Peon dichotomy to skew things in my favour. But I also happen to think it's true, or at least you'd be a fool not to try it as a head honcho. As others have said, they will not countenance voting off someone whose only contribution has been to say "the rules look long and complicated". So why not take that route to avoid the crapshoot that is Day 1 otherwise?

[Atrahal]

That was a lot of reading to get caught up on.

I need to make dinner, then I will try to make heads or tails of what has gone on today.

[Emurlahn]

off to class, back eventually. in theory, it's a 3 hour class ( so, back roughly 1 h before deadine), but in reality, the prof is new, and never keeps us past 2 hours.

[Rashan]

Path Shaper, I would also prefer a weekend freeze that only allowed talking.

[Korlat]

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 11:10 PM, said:

Barghast, on 29 September 2011 - 10:13 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 09:20 PM, said:

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

I am here briefly, as i'm nearly late for class.

as someone pointed out, your typical qwerty keyboard has a comma next to the m.



so htere, m,eanas!
now, since people don't seem capable of letting it go:



vote Gamelon

because oh, my, god, your case sucks



back in a few hours

I think this is a bogus post. Just because the [,] and [m] keys are next to each other on the keyboard...justifies nothing. And you seem to have deliberately made the same mistake just to prove that point? And then a deliberate OMGUS vote. None of this sits well with me. The hiding-in-plain-sight thing - trying to downplay things that would otherwise be suspicious by pointing them out, drawing attention to them, or deliberately being obvious about them - well, it's too early in the game for this to get a pass, I think.

Vote Emurlahn

Of course, the other problem right now is that with so many people playing, half of everyone (myself included) has 5 posts or fewer, and so at this point the nail that sticks up tends to get hammered down. Not a lot of other options, though.

OK, this stinks. So there aren't a lot of options? Well make some options then! But of course, that would involve sticking your head over the parapet and risk people looking at you critically, and we can't have that.

One. As Serc says, he has been aggressive already, so accusing him of being sheepish in following people does not make sense.
Two. You're under fire with a couple of votes on you (which so far, as well as any criticism on you, you've just laughed at) and instead of answering people's doubts about you, you've clearly chosen to deflect unto others instead. If Emur is important, for his team to let you struggle is natural. For me, I'm curious to see what you come up with. This spat with Serc (who, ironically, was the guy who tried hardest to shift votes unto Emurlahn in my book) could be distancing or just a weird lash out because Serc is playing more aggressively than most on thread.
Right now, I can really see no reason for alienating/ attacking someone who hasn't voted you and instead votes the guy who has an equal number as votes as you do.

Quote

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

I'm getting cozy with whom? Gamelon? Fuck Gamelon. Due to his involvement with Emurlahn I see him as the next best target besides Emur. I mentioned earlier that it looked like Game was trying to distance himself from Emur with a vote after their initial interaction. Or did you mean I was getting cozy with Emurlahn? Anyone who thinks there was any interaction between Emurlahn and I needs to reread the thread. My first response and comment to him was followed by a vote on him. Somehow people just started saying, "yeah, those interactions between serc/game/emur!!!" when in reality...the interactions are all between Gamelon and someone else.

I think your problem is you want to find Emur's Emperor and lynch him on day 1. Odds are that isn't going to happen. We have very little info to base a lynch on; it's day 1, that's how it is. The best option is to find the most suspicious interactions, explore them if possible, and lynch someone involved. You even say you're ok with an Emurlahn vote but you'd rather lynch the person he was signaling - great, that's exactly what I said when I voted, so how can you criticize me for following the line of thought you are putting forward? I smell hypocrisy and dissembling.

You think players with good roles are going to do anything that even remotely rocks the boat on Day 1 given that philosophy? No, they're just going to play along with the first thing that comes along. Which is exactly what you're suggesting everyone else does.




I've been looking for people who are trying to lay low. Of all those on thread, Serc looks the most suspicious. He wants to drive home the first thing that comes along and is unwilling to search for other options, despite acknowledging that it would be nice if there were some.

Remove Vote

Vote Serc

One. I'm curious if anyone on thread will agree with you on the point of Serc laying low. He may keep options open but he seems more driven than most.
Two. By saying important players lie low, you brand yourself as a small fry not worth pursuing since you stick out, so this is indirectly projecting a vision you want to create in your own defense.
Three. You may vote Serc (by all means, do, I have some doubts about his aggressiveness myself, but somehow you vote him for passiveness... odd) but your arguments for doing so do not really match my opinion on his play and behavior. Instead, it sounds rather desperate, some wild flailing.


In fact, you made up my mind.

Vote Gamelon.

I was actually swinging towards a vote on Emurlahn during the past hour which I spent away from thread, because he was clearly the one most likely to escape the lynch out of the two of you due to just being slightly moronic in most of his replies and that usually means you'll get away from a lynch if something other crops up.

Now, you followed the standard tactic of laughing off attacks. Fine by me, it's up to us to then up the pressure. It's also more than OK to bring someone else under scrutiny. But next time, try a little harder to match perception to argument, to make it slightly harder to debunk your 'case' (or attack), mmmkay? All you do now is sounding desperate, which isn't helping at all.

A player can sound aggressive, like Serc has done, without actually being so. As I've pointed out, he hasn't tried to look outside the Gamelon-Emurlahn orthodoxy, so what good is his 'aggression'? If anything, an angry tone serves to conceal the paucity of original thought underneath. The point I'm trying to make is that you are confusing tonal aggression for aggressive play. Just because Serc sprinkles some of his comments with swear words doesn't in any way change the fact that he has been sticking to safe opinions, which is what I mean by 'laying low'.


As for a lack of response to the cases against me, I felt I had explained myself sufficiently earlier in the day. Eg. #118, #127. A case made on page 2 is never going to be as strong as one made on page 5, and by the point I came back this evening I felt that enough muck had been stirred up to look at everyone else. I guess there were questions raised about my early interaction with Serc that I haven't responded to. Well in part I have responded by violently attacking Serc, in a manner that you seem to feel is unfounded. As to the rest of it, well, messing around in the first few posts is going to be my strategy. I've decided that playing things safe and boring doesn't work, so I am switching to trying out a different approach. I remember playing past games as scum and being mightily confused when people seemed to be symping me at the beginning. I aimed to create some confusion amongst a few players, cast some doubts - that niggling feeling of "Is he talking to me?" Is really quite off-putting when you've got a nice juicy role. Especially in a faction game where you're supposed to be on the lookout for teammates.

I guess from a straight self-preservation point of view I need another train, but frankly if I'd left things be I was pretty sure that Emurlahn would have been the eventual choice of the lynch mob. But I am not satisfied with just that. I want to see this game flower into life, I want to see discussion everywhere and on everything, and I was not seeing that. I was seeing a lot of sheeple. This magnificent setup deserves more than that, so I have been doing my best to help it on its way. And I think you'll agree, I've been doing a good job. Am I being Rash? Quite probably. Is it enjoyable? Most definitely .

Now, as to your other points, I'll admit that I'm guilty of trying to present the safe=Power Role, risky=Peon dichotomy to skew things in my favour. But I also happen to think it's true, or at least you'd be a fool not to try it as a head honcho. As others have said, they will not countenance voting off someone whose only contribution has been to say "the rules look long and complicated". So why not take that route to avoid the crapshoot that is Day 1 otherwise?

This post does the exact opposite of reassure me. You admit yourself making a case on serc and voting for him is a good way to distance yourself and disprove a connection and it seems even now strange to me when the lynch targets seem to be yourself and Emur. Also the last paragraph, you admit you are trying to present the image of having a low power role before saying 'oh but it is true enough of course, I'd be much easier for me to lie low so I can't possibly be in a position of power or significance'. Every post of yours I read I am less convinced you are just a noisy player with little power.

Serc's response to your case was slightly overreacted but aside for the two of you possibly signalling earlier in the day I get more of a feeling off you than him.

I'm going to be off to bed soon so in case I don't get a chance to log in again


Vote Gamelon


Tomorrow is looking less hectic so hopefully i'll have a bit more time to play. For the weekend I vote on a freeze, I don't mind allowing for comments or a lock.


Edit - forgot to unbold

This post has been edited by Korlat: 30 September 2011 - 12:35 AM

[Omtose]

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 11:10 PM, said:

Barghast, on 29 September 2011 - 10:13 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 09:20 PM, said:

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

I am here briefly, as i'm nearly late for class.

as someone pointed out, your typical qwerty keyboard has a comma next to the m.



so htere, m,eanas!
now, since people don't seem capable of letting it go:



vote Gamelon

because oh, my, god, your case sucks



back in a few hours

I think this is a bogus post. Just because the [,] and [m] keys are next to each other on the keyboard...justifies nothing. And you seem to have deliberately made the same mistake just to prove that point? And then a deliberate OMGUS vote. None of this sits well with me. The hiding-in-plain-sight thing - trying to downplay things that would otherwise be suspicious by pointing them out, drawing attention to them, or deliberately being obvious about them - well, it's too early in the game for this to get a pass, I think.

Vote Emurlahn

Of course, the other problem right now is that with so many people playing, half of everyone (myself included) has 5 posts or fewer, and so at this point the nail that sticks up tends to get hammered down. Not a lot of other options, though.

OK, this stinks. So there aren't a lot of options? Well make some options then! But of course, that would involve sticking your head over the parapet and risk people looking at you critically, and we can't have that.

One. As Serc says, he has been aggressive already, so accusing him of being sheepish in following people does not make sense.
Two. You're under fire with a couple of votes on you (which so far, as well as any criticism on you, you've just laughed at) and instead of answering people's doubts about you, you've clearly chosen to deflect unto others instead. If Emur is important, for his team to let you struggle is natural. For me, I'm curious to see what you come up with. This spat with Serc (who, ironically, was the guy who tried hardest to shift votes unto Emurlahn in my book) could be distancing or just a weird lash out because Serc is playing more aggressively than most on thread.
Right now, I can really see no reason for alienating/ attacking someone who hasn't voted you and instead votes the guy who has an equal number as votes as you do.

Quote

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

I'm getting cozy with whom? Gamelon? Fuck Gamelon. Due to his involvement with Emurlahn I see him as the next best target besides Emur. I mentioned earlier that it looked like Game was trying to distance himself from Emur with a vote after their initial interaction. Or did you mean I was getting cozy with Emurlahn? Anyone who thinks there was any interaction between Emurlahn and I needs to reread the thread. My first response and comment to him was followed by a vote on him. Somehow people just started saying, "yeah, those interactions between serc/game/emur!!!" when in reality...the interactions are all between Gamelon and someone else.

I think your problem is you want to find Emur's Emperor and lynch him on day 1. Odds are that isn't going to happen. We have very little info to base a lynch on; it's day 1, that's how it is. The best option is to find the most suspicious interactions, explore them if possible, and lynch someone involved. You even say you're ok with an Emurlahn vote but you'd rather lynch the person he was signaling - great, that's exactly what I said when I voted, so how can you criticize me for following the line of thought you are putting forward? I smell hypocrisy and dissembling.

You think players with good roles are going to do anything that even remotely rocks the boat on Day 1 given that philosophy? No, they're just going to play along with the first thing that comes along. Which is exactly what you're suggesting everyone else does.




I've been looking for people who are trying to lay low. Of all those on thread, Serc looks the most suspicious. He wants to drive home the first thing that comes along and is unwilling to search for other options, despite acknowledging that it would be nice if there were some.

Remove Vote

Vote Serc

One. I'm curious if anyone on thread will agree with you on the point of Serc laying low. He may keep options open but he seems more driven than most.
Two. By saying important players lie low, you brand yourself as a small fry not worth pursuing since you stick out, so this is indirectly projecting a vision you want to create in your own defense.
Three. You may vote Serc (by all means, do, I have some doubts about his aggressiveness myself, but somehow you vote him for passiveness... odd) but your arguments for doing so do not really match my opinion on his play and behavior. Instead, it sounds rather desperate, some wild flailing.


In fact, you made up my mind.

Vote Gamelon.

I was actually swinging towards a vote on Emurlahn during the past hour which I spent away from thread, because he was clearly the one most likely to escape the lynch out of the two of you due to just being slightly moronic in most of his replies and that usually means you'll get away from a lynch if something other crops up.

Now, you followed the standard tactic of laughing off attacks. Fine by me, it's up to us to then up the pressure. It's also more than OK to bring someone else under scrutiny. But next time, try a little harder to match perception to argument, to make it slightly harder to debunk your 'case' (or attack), mmmkay? All you do now is sounding desperate, which isn't helping at all.

A player can sound aggressive, like Serc has done, without actually being so. As I've pointed out, he hasn't tried to look outside the Gamelon-Emurlahn orthodoxy, so what good is his 'aggression'? If anything, an angry tone serves to conceal the paucity of original thought underneath. The point I'm trying to make is that you are confusing tonal aggression for aggressive play. Just because Serc sprinkles some of his comments with swear words doesn't in any way change the fact that he has been sticking to safe opinions, which is what I mean by 'laying low'.


As for a lack of response to the cases against me, I felt I had explained myself sufficiently earlier in the day. Eg. #118, #127. A case made on page 2 is never going to be as strong as one made on page 5, and by the point I came back this evening I felt that enough muck had been stirred up to look at everyone else. I guess there were questions raised about my early interaction with Serc that I haven't responded to. Well in part I have responded by violently attacking Serc, in a manner that you seem to feel is unfounded. As to the rest of it, well, messing around in the first few posts is going to be my strategy. I've decided that playing things safe and boring doesn't work, so I am switching to trying out a different approach. I remember playing past games as scum and being mightily confused when people seemed to be symping me at the beginning. I aimed to create some confusion amongst a few players, cast some doubts - that niggling feeling of "Is he talking to me?" Is really quite off-putting when you've got a nice juicy role. Especially in a faction game where you're supposed to be on the lookout for teammates.

I guess from a straight self-preservation point of view I need another train, but frankly if I'd left things be I was pretty sure that Emurlahn would have been the eventual choice of the lynch mob. But I am not satisfied with just that. I want to see this game flower into life, I want to see discussion everywhere and on everything, and I was not seeing that. I was seeing a lot of sheeple. This magnificent setup deserves more than that, so I have been doing my best to help it on its way. And I think you'll agree, I've been doing a good job. Am I being Rash? Quite probably. Is it enjoyable? Most definitely .

Now, as to your other points, I'll admit that I'm guilty of trying to present the safe=Power Role, risky=Peon dichotomy to skew things in my favour. But I also happen to think it's true, or at least you'd be a fool not to try it as a head honcho. As others have said, they will not countenance voting off someone whose only contribution has been to say "the rules look long and complicated". So why not take that route to avoid the crapshoot that is Day 1 otherwise?

As much as I like my personal day one reasoning for identifying players. Gamelon you are definitely coming across as someone who is worried about getting lynched and throwing everything and the kitchen sink at trying not to be lynched. As much as I like the effort that you are putting in. The amount of chaos that has been generated around you is starting to get to be to much. So I think that we have entered the stage where if you aren't lynched then you will be a WIFOM player for the game.

Remove vote

Vote Gamelon

[Atrahal]

So Emu hints at being a civil servant, Gam calls him on it. Votes ensue.

Gam is voting for Serc because he says Serc is not looking hard enough at other players.

Gam is being voted for because of a comma in an Emu post.(punctuation, it's a bitch)

Tiam is first to bring up a role, so Omtose votes for Okaros for bringing it up next.




It think that covers it for this point in day 1. Have I missed anything?


Oh, and Gam looks like how I would picture an oriental Kruppe.

[Atrahal]

I vote for a full freeze over the weekend.

[Okaros]

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 11:10 PM, said:

Now, as to your other points, I'll admit that I'm guilty of trying to present the safe=Power Role, risky=Peon dichotomy to skew things in my favour. But I also happen to think it's true, or at least you'd be a fool not to try it as a head honcho. As others have said, they will not countenance voting off someone whose only contribution has been to say "the rules look long and complicated". So why not take that route to avoid the crapshoot that is Day 1 otherwise?

Gamelon, could you perhaps expand upon this? Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that by presenting a risky approach, you are hoping to downplay your importance? Logically, this would be a foolish thing to say if you were in power, so I have to think that I do not fully understand what you were trying to get across here.

[Okaros]

I also agree with a weekend freeze.

[Kaschan]

Atrahal, on 30 September 2011 - 12:47 AM, said:

So Emu hints at being a civil servant, Gam calls him on it. Votes ensue.

Gam is voting for Serc because he says Serc is not looking hard enough at other players.

Gam is being voted for because of a comma in an Emu post.(punctuation, it's a bitch)

Tiam is first to bring up a role, so Omtose votes for Okaros for bringing it up next.




It think that covers it for this point in day 1. Have I missed anything?


Oh, and Gam looks like how I would picture an oriental Kruppe.

My first reaction was that the Game vote on Serc was more to say "look, I wasn't signalling" at a point late enough when it is unlikely a train on Serc is going to gain any real steam.

As for the weekend, I vote for a time freeze with the thread left open.

[Hood's Path]

Alright, just checking in again, gonna go have a shower and then come back and post my thoughts.

[Silanah]

Catching up.... Jeebus Game, trying hard?

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 11:10 PM, said:

Barghast, on 29 September 2011 - 10:13 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 09:20 PM, said:

Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 04:16 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 29 September 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

I am here briefly, as i'm nearly late for class.

as someone pointed out, your typical qwerty keyboard has a comma next to the m.



so htere, m,eanas!
now, since people don't seem capable of letting it go:



vote Gamelon

because oh, my, god, your case sucks



back in a few hours

I think this is a bogus post. Just because the [,] and [m] keys are next to each other on the keyboard...justifies nothing. And you seem to have deliberately made the same mistake just to prove that point? And then a deliberate OMGUS vote. None of this sits well with me. The hiding-in-plain-sight thing - trying to downplay things that would otherwise be suspicious by pointing them out, drawing attention to them, or deliberately being obvious about them - well, it's too early in the game for this to get a pass, I think.

Vote Emurlahn

Of course, the other problem right now is that with so many people playing, half of everyone (myself included) has 5 posts or fewer, and so at this point the nail that sticks up tends to get hammered down. Not a lot of other options, though.

OK, this stinks. So there aren't a lot of options? Well make some options then! But of course, that would involve sticking your head over the parapet and risk people looking at you critically, and we can't have that.

One. As Serc says, he has been aggressive already, so accusing him of being sheepish in following people does not make sense.
Two. You're under fire with a couple of votes on you (which so far, as well as any criticism on you, you've just laughed at) and instead of answering people's doubts about you, you've clearly chosen to deflect unto others instead. If Emur is important, for his team to let you struggle is natural. For me, I'm curious to see what you come up with. This spat with Serc (who, ironically, was the guy who tried hardest to shift votes unto Emurlahn in my book) could be distancing or just a weird lash out because Serc is playing more aggressively than most on thread.
Right now, I can really see no reason for alienating/ attacking someone who hasn't voted you and instead votes the guy who has an equal number as votes as you do.

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Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

I'm getting cozy with whom? Gamelon? Fuck Gamelon. Due to his involvement with Emurlahn I see him as the next best target besides Emur. I mentioned earlier that it looked like Game was trying to distance himself from Emur with a vote after their initial interaction. Or did you mean I was getting cozy with Emurlahn? Anyone who thinks there was any interaction between Emurlahn and I needs to reread the thread. My first response and comment to him was followed by a vote on him. Somehow people just started saying, "yeah, those interactions between serc/game/emur!!!" when in reality...the interactions are all between Gamelon and someone else.

I think your problem is you want to find Emur's Emperor and lynch him on day 1. Odds are that isn't going to happen. We have very little info to base a lynch on; it's day 1, that's how it is. The best option is to find the most suspicious interactions, explore them if possible, and lynch someone involved. You even say you're ok with an Emurlahn vote but you'd rather lynch the person he was signaling - great, that's exactly what I said when I voted, so how can you criticize me for following the line of thought you are putting forward? I smell hypocrisy and dissembling.

You think players with good roles are going to do anything that even remotely rocks the boat on Day 1 given that philosophy? No, they're just going to play along with the first thing that comes along. Which is exactly what you're suggesting everyone else does.




I've been looking for people who are trying to lay low. Of all those on thread, Serc looks the most suspicious. He wants to drive home the first thing that comes along and is unwilling to search for other options, despite acknowledging that it would be nice if there were some.

Remove Vote

Vote Serc

One. I'm curious if anyone on thread will agree with you on the point of Serc laying low. He may keep options open but he seems more driven than most.
Two. By saying important players lie low, you brand yourself as a small fry not worth pursuing since you stick out, so this is indirectly projecting a vision you want to create in your own defense.
Three. You may vote Serc (by all means, do, I have some doubts about his aggressiveness myself, but somehow you vote him for passiveness... odd) but your arguments for doing so do not really match my opinion on his play and behavior. Instead, it sounds rather desperate, some wild flailing.


In fact, you made up my mind.

Vote Gamelon.

I was actually swinging towards a vote on Emurlahn during the past hour which I spent away from thread, because he was clearly the one most likely to escape the lynch out of the two of you due to just being slightly moronic in most of his replies and that usually means you'll get away from a lynch if something other crops up.

Now, you followed the standard tactic of laughing off attacks. Fine by me, it's up to us to then up the pressure. It's also more than OK to bring someone else under scrutiny. But next time, try a little harder to match perception to argument, to make it slightly harder to debunk your 'case' (or attack), mmmkay? All you do now is sounding desperate, which isn't helping at all.

A player can sound aggressive, like Serc has done, without actually being so. As I've pointed out, he hasn't tried to look outside the Gamelon-Emurlahn orthodoxy, so what good is his 'aggression'? If anything, an angry tone serves to conceal the paucity of original thought underneath. The point I'm trying to make is that you are confusing tonal aggression for aggressive play. Just because Serc sprinkles some of his comments with swear words doesn't in any way change the fact that he has been sticking to safe opinions, which is what I mean by 'laying low'.


As for a lack of response to the cases against me, I felt I had explained myself sufficiently earlier in the day. Eg. #118, #127. A case made on page 2 is never going to be as strong as one made on page 5, and by the point I came back this evening I felt that enough muck had been stirred up to look at everyone else. I guess there were questions raised about my early interaction with Serc that I haven't responded to. Well in part I have responded by violently attacking Serc, in a manner that you seem to feel is unfounded. As to the rest of it, well, messing around in the first few posts is going to be my strategy. I've decided that playing things safe and boring doesn't work, so I am switching to trying out a different approach. I remember playing past games as scum and being mightily confused when people seemed to be symping me at the beginning. I aimed to create some confusion amongst a few players, cast some doubts - that niggling feeling of "Is he talking to me?" Is really quite off-putting when you've got a nice juicy role. Especially in a faction game where you're supposed to be on the lookout for teammates.

I guess from a straight self-preservation point of view I need another train, but frankly if I'd left things be I was pretty sure that Emurlahn would have been the eventual choice of the lynch mob. But I am not satisfied with just that. I want to see this game flower into life, I want to see discussion everywhere and on everything, and I was not seeing that. I was seeing a lot of sheeple. This magnificent setup deserves more than that, so I have been doing my best to help it on its way. And I think you'll agree, I've been doing a good job. Am I being Rash? Quite probably. Is it enjoyable? Most definitely .

Now, as to your other points, I'll admit that I'm guilty of trying to present the safe=Power Role, risky=Peon dichotomy to skew things in my favour. But I also happen to think it's true, or at least you'd be a fool not to try it as a head honcho. As others have said, they will not countenance voting off someone whose only contribution has been to say "the rules look long and complicated". So why not take that route to avoid the crapshoot that is Day 1 otherwise?

You're a crazy man.

Vote Gamelon

I'm so tired... but I want to be around to change my vote if someone crazier decides to appear.

[Hood's Path]

Huh, this is interesting.

Gamelon said:

I guess from a straight self-preservation point of view I need another train, but frankly if I'd left things be I was pretty sure that Emurlahn would have been the eventual choice of the lynch mob. But I am not satisfied with just that. I want to see this game flower into life, I want to see discussion everywhere and on everything, and I was not seeing that. I was seeing a lot of sheeple. This magnificent setup deserves more than that, so I have been doing my best to help it on its way. And I think you'll agree, I've been doing a good job. Am I being Rash? Quite probably. Is it enjoyable? Most definitely.

To be honest, I found the notion of a comma in the middle of a word (said comma being right next to the word it precedes on a keyboard) as a potential signal pretty absurd, as well as the likelihood of a teammate noticing the 'mistake' and recognising it as a signal, but capitalising the word rash, which is the general nickname of choice for Rashan? Much harder to brush off capitalisation as an innocent mistake and not potential signalling...

EDIT - edited syntax to make clearer

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 30 September 2011 - 01:58 AM

[Hood's Path]

Oh, and I advocate a total freeze, but mostly because I won't be on at all this weekend.

[Okaros]

remove vote


It is obvious that Emurlahn will not be getting lynched tonight. The case against him was not the greatest, but at the time I thought it was the best. I would like Gamelon to defend some of what has been said here. It seems as though he/she may legitimately desire more action and discussion and so has basically disturbed everyone in some way. I commend the attempt, but there is some confusion, at least on my part, in regard to what gamelon has said recently. I'm not sure how much time is left, so I'll

Vote Gamelon


and let it be known that I encourage a defense on Game's part. Might seem like I'm jumping on a train here, but realistically speaking I would rather my vote be for someone who seems mildly suspicious/dangerous than for no one at all (especially since we've only a matter of hours left in the day).

[Emurlahn]

I's back. as expected, an hour early.