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Posted 30 September 2011 - 06:11 AM
Well, I'm already voting for Gamelon, so...
Some thoughts:
We had discussions going on early about associations between Emurlahn and Gamelon, and between Gamelon and Serc. True or false, it's not obvious (only time will tell), but what I find interesting is that the reaction of each of them was to vote for the one they were accused of being linked to.
I find it interesting because of the purpose such a vote serves. What does it prove? In a faction game, if you are associated to someone, and that person dies, the other players will use the CF to "conclude" about your faction, which is the worse place to be. What's the problem of being "associated" with someone? I fail to see it, as long as the other player is alive and unknown.
Thus, to me, it would have made much more sense for them to try to attack someone else entirely. That they voted the person they were accused of being linked to serves only to "disprove" the association, and serves little other purpose. The fact that they had this reflex is interesting.
P.S. I don't want to undermine the "case" they had on each other when they voted, which is something else entirely; but I think it's a strange coincidence that they all ended up voting each other.
Some thoughts:
We had discussions going on early about associations between Emurlahn and Gamelon, and between Gamelon and Serc. True or false, it's not obvious (only time will tell), but what I find interesting is that the reaction of each of them was to vote for the one they were accused of being linked to.
I find it interesting because of the purpose such a vote serves. What does it prove? In a faction game, if you are associated to someone, and that person dies, the other players will use the CF to "conclude" about your faction, which is the worse place to be. What's the problem of being "associated" with someone? I fail to see it, as long as the other player is alive and unknown.
Thus, to me, it would have made much more sense for them to try to attack someone else entirely. That they voted the person they were accused of being linked to serves only to "disprove" the association, and serves little other purpose. The fact that they had this reflex is interesting.
P.S. I don't want to undermine the "case" they had on each other when they voted, which is something else entirely; but I think it's a strange coincidence that they all ended up voting each other.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 06:43 AM
I'm awake --- My pankcakes are ready, and I have a bathtub full of coffee ... We seem to have a lynch so gonna read up on everything else, and post.
By the way, did anyone see what Gamelon wrote while he was hammered and he later edited it? If it was anything worth, like last minute reveal etc etc -- I really hate it when something like that happens and others are allowed a slice of intel that will be withheld from the rest of us.
By the way, did anyone see what Gamelon wrote while he was hammered and he later edited it? If it was anything worth, like last minute reveal etc etc -- I really hate it when something like that happens and others are allowed a slice of intel that will be withheld from the rest of us.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 06:54 AM
Yes, he was just whining about how he was going to be lynched and he said something stupid about distancing or not distancing or something. It wasn't anything he hadn't said before. No crazy reveal or anything.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 06:58 AM
Kessobahn, on 30 September 2011 - 06:54 AM, said:
Yes, he was just whining about how he was going to be lynched and he said something stupid about distancing or not distancing or something. It wasn't anything he hadn't said before. No crazy reveal or anything.
Yeah ... sure.
So you say.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 07:03 AM
Galain, on 30 September 2011 - 06:58 AM, said:
Kessobahn, on 30 September 2011 - 06:54 AM, said:
Yes, he was just whining about how he was going to be lynched and he said something stupid about distancing or not distancing or something. It wasn't anything he hadn't said before. No crazy reveal or anything.
Yeah ... sure.
So you say.
I do in fact say so. There was 6-7 other people on at the same time, I'm sure one of them would call me out if I was lying, if just to get an easy lynch. We could also have PS restore the post if we need to since some of us saw it and some didn't.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 07:04 AM
Kessobahn, on 30 September 2011 - 07:03 AM, said:
Galain, on 30 September 2011 - 06:58 AM, said:
Yeah ... sure.
So you say.
I do in fact say so. There was 6-7 other people on at the same time, I'm sure one of them would call me out if I was lying, if just to get an easy lynch. We could also have PS restore the post if we need to since some of us saw it and some didn't.
You're all just in on the conspiracy.
Including P-S. I only trust the ravens.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 07:07 AM
Galain, on 30 September 2011 - 07:04 AM, said:
Kessobahn, on 30 September 2011 - 07:03 AM, said:
Galain, on 30 September 2011 - 06:58 AM, said:
Yeah ... sure.
So you say.
So you say.
I do in fact say so. There was 6-7 other people on at the same time, I'm sure one of them would call me out if I was lying, if just to get an easy lynch. We could also have PS restore the post if we need to since some of us saw it and some didn't.
You're all just in on the conspiracy.
Including P-S. I only trust the ravens.
Hugin told me to say 'the komodo bites the dynasty at sunrise!'
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 07:46 AM
A bit meh, that ninja-edit just after the hammer. Seeing how postage time is only 2 minutes after, it might be a legitimite cross-post . It is up to P-S to delete what could have been a cross-post, not to the player. Oh well.
Reading the last few minutes before the lynch, I'm not sure what to think of Serc at this point.
Karosis comes on at .58 and asks if he should hammer. Then, he wait five minutes and decides to hammer at .03, with what he says are 15 minutes on the clock. One minute later, at .04 Serc posts his vote and comments he "almost missed it".
If there were 15 minutes on the clock... that's not almost, that's a quarter of an hour still to go. Also, Gamelon was (recently) online at that time (his last post at that point was .58 as well, just like Karosis'), so it makes no sense whatsoever for Serc to hammer Gamelon at that time if he wants to wait for a last minute confession, even if Game asks for a hammer (as he did). In which case, telling Karosis he was around and going to be around for a bit longer would have been more prudent.
Now, I guess this is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for Serc, it might be a legitimate cross-post with Karosis (my condoleances on your loss, by the way) but given the history and potential distancing between Serc and Game, it opens quite the can of worms with the way it played out.
Reading the last few minutes before the lynch, I'm not sure what to think of Serc at this point.
Karosis comes on at .58 and asks if he should hammer. Then, he wait five minutes and decides to hammer at .03, with what he says are 15 minutes on the clock. One minute later, at .04 Serc posts his vote and comments he "almost missed it".
If there were 15 minutes on the clock... that's not almost, that's a quarter of an hour still to go. Also, Gamelon was (recently) online at that time (his last post at that point was .58 as well, just like Karosis'), so it makes no sense whatsoever for Serc to hammer Gamelon at that time if he wants to wait for a last minute confession, even if Game asks for a hammer (as he did). In which case, telling Karosis he was around and going to be around for a bit longer would have been more prudent.
Now, I guess this is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for Serc, it might be a legitimate cross-post with Karosis (my condoleances on your loss, by the way) but given the history and potential distancing between Serc and Game, it opens quite the can of worms with the way it played out.
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 08:14 AM
Ok, I see something that I'm going to address. Please bear with me for a while here, and do understand that it's quite early, and I just woke up, so if I mess the quote lines.... I apologize (I don't give a $#@^ actually, just playing nice).
And BTW, sorry P-S for not mentioning it sooner, I'd like to see a weekend freeze with clock stopped but thread open for discussion.
Ever since I mentioned "Usurper Public Enemy No 1" some people commented on that. I will quote those parts for easier reference later on, and I will try to explain a bit my train of thought. Do I really have to? Nope. But I'm getting ready to leave, and while waiting for the CF there isn't a lot going on I guess... [And technically speaking I wasn't the first to ever mention the role, Gamelon did and then Osseric did, prior to me].
You know what they say about the first person who brings up a role right.
I don't see why not having much chance of finding the Usurper prevents us from trying to find him. Perhaps someone doesn't want the thread to be chasing him too hard?
And that is the second player to talked about the usurper. The first being Tiam. Now if previous games are anything to go on. Then Tiam could be the usurper hunter which would make Okaros the Usurper or vice versa. I shall put my money where my words are at.
Vote Okaros
Are you pulling a role out of your ass? I think you are pulling a role out of your ass.
And if not, how come you know there is one (or more) when there aren't any in the seven roles named in the OP (Emperor, PM, civvie, military, warlord, champion, usurper)?
You also fail to mention that just after Okaros mentioned the usurper, so did Gamelon. Trying to deflect away from him?
I am actually pulling that role out of my ass. Unless you look and or played in the other games. In which case there were roles like that in them. But I don't know for sure that there is. Just as I don't know for sure that Morgoth still has blond hair rather then the pink hair that he is rummer to have or that Dibs isn't Irish but instead a Icelander who likes to pose as a drunken leprechaun for his own twisted amusement. As for trying to deflect away from Gamelon that would be a no. Gamelon mentioned the usurper by pointing out Okaros mention of him. He did so by quoting Okaros not by bring up the usurper and possible thoughts as to whether or not we should try to find him or not. So strawmanning much. Or is it that you know who Okaros is and so you feel the need to try and to subtle defend him by quickly attacking one vote on him. I don't know but right now I kind of like the reaction that I have gotten over the vote so I am fine with leaving it.
You didn't even bother to question my reasoning for voting for him in that people talk about the roles that they have.
It's a 5% shot to randomly lynch the usurper, which is what basically your whole vaunted usurper hunt amounts to. In a game like this, it is only natural to discuss set-up and tiles. Oh wait, I was one of the first to mention movement, zomg, that must mean that I have been spending boatloads of time on how to move!!!!111!!. Not to mention, that we had a whole lot of discussing this in the past (few?) game(s). Anyone will be watching twice how much they release of their own info, warned as they were by last game.
Finally, you admit that Okaros didn't mention the usurper first, but Tiamatha did. Why would this usurper hunter mention the usurper first? Even if the role exists, even if she is the usurper hunter, then all she does is muddying the waters for the remainder of us, isn;t she? Not to mention, that the real usurper will get suspicious of her. Honestly, it sounds like you want to blow up the issue and lessen the usurper threat.
As for defending Okaros: nope. I merely tend to go with what information is available that I can read with my own two eyes. Wild speculation on a role that may or may not exist (and why would there be a special usurper hunter when there are already a lot of roles that can find or kill or convert themselves to finding/killing roles?). So, I viewed your comment in the context and I figured it was distracting and mere speculation (as you confirmed) and felt the need to call it into question. Which you have now answered.
Ok, so this is what the mention of "Usurper Public Enemy No 1" caused.
Now, try to follow my train of thoughts here, for a bit...
Game starts, and Gamelon jumps the gun on Emur, accusing him of signaling. Then he's pretty dead set on trying to squeeze an answer out of Emur as to why he hinted he's a Civil Servant. From a third party option, this isn't something alarming, but I was re-reading the roles and everything, while reading the thread as well.
Now, reading the Civil Servant, it says they already know who their Emperor are, and also that they can switch between Civil/Military , under some conditions.
Then Gamelon comes out stating he already knows who his Emperor is, and that Emur is BS-ing about being a Civil Servant, blah blah...
So while I was reading the roles, I was thinking ::: Gamelon jumps on Emur for signaling. Gamelon is a Civil/Military Servant. Gamelon makes NO mention what so ever who Emur was signaling. So what if, what Gamelon interpreted was Emur trying to signal Gamelons Emperor stating he's his Civil Servant, and tried to alert his Emperor that Emur is lying? And that's why he was so dead focused on getting an answer out of Emur why he claimed to be something he isn't.
I tried to get Gamelon to answer who he believes Emur was signaling to, since he's the one who followed Emur's case so hard, but there was no answer, neither from Gamelon nor from anyone else who agreed that Emur is probably signaling.
Failing to get people's attention on this theorycrafting, though I did mention it in my posts, I kept reading more on roles and rules, while keeping an eye on the thread. Then I saw the "Usurper" role, and I found it interesting... He currently is an underling in the middle Kingdoms, meaning he's under an Emperor. AT SOME POINT OF THE GAME (which probably means he can't recruit from Day 1) he will start recruiting , and when the Emperor dies, he loses the ability to recruit and becomes an entirely new faction, called Jin.
So reading on that, and considering the interaction that took place between Gamelon etc etc, I was thinking ::::
Since Gamelon claims Civil / Military Official of one faction, he calls out Emur for not being one, afraid that Emur's signaling reached Gamelons Emperor. So, if people pick up on that, and we try to find the most likely candidate that Emur's signals were going to, then we get a shot at potentially ----
1) Nailing an Emperor
2) Since only the Three Middle Kingdoms have an Emperor, we get an additional 33,3% chance of nailing the Emperor under which the Usurper currently operates.
3) If we do get an Emperor, and the Usurper IS under him, then could it possibly mean that the Usurper is forced to become immediately the Emperor of Jin faction, without possibly being able to benefit from his recruiting abilities at all, thus becoming a semi-negligent (hopefully) factor in the current game.
Hell, two birds with one stone. It was worth it, in my book, if you ask me. Wild shot? Yea, perhaps. Worth looking into and considering? For sure. After all it's Day One, it's not as if there would be huge debates, endless list of solid cases and more important stuff to consider.
So to those who want to claim <It's only 5% to nail the Usurper> , <It's too early to gun for the Usurper> , <Let's not wild chase..> etc etc , I say, there is a different way of actually getting this mofo cockblocked faster from recruiting the fuck out of everywhere. Kill his Emperor while he hasn't done much recruiting or damage.
And BTW, sorry P-S for not mentioning it sooner, I'd like to see a weekend freeze with clock stopped but thread open for discussion.
Ever since I mentioned "Usurper Public Enemy No 1" some people commented on that. I will quote those parts for easier reference later on, and I will try to explain a bit my train of thought. Do I really have to? Nope. But I'm getting ready to leave, and while waiting for the CF there isn't a lot going on I guess... [And technically speaking I wasn't the first to ever mention the role, Gamelon did and then Osseric did, prior to me].
Okaros, on 29 September 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:
Woke up to find some pages. Love it.
I agree that it is possible that Gamelon is targeting Emur and feeling safe it since they may be sharing civil servant roles. This in itself is interesting, but does it warrant a vote I wonder? Tiam wants us to target the Usurper. All well and good, but it is doubtful that we could nail the Usurper this early in the game. Chances are the fellow is laying low until he can recruit some people.
I love this game because it is difficult to justify pushing a lynch on someone even if we know (or have a good idea of) what role they have. Knowing that Emur and Game might be civil servants only makes them a target if you know they aren't on your team. The only legitimate target would be a faction leader. So confusing and fantastic.
I will read over the thread again in hopes to pick up on some things I may have missed. Maybe looking into the alleged signalling will help narrow down a potential faction leader.
I agree that it is possible that Gamelon is targeting Emur and feeling safe it since they may be sharing civil servant roles. This in itself is interesting, but does it warrant a vote I wonder? Tiam wants us to target the Usurper. All well and good, but it is doubtful that we could nail the Usurper this early in the game. Chances are the fellow is laying low until he can recruit some people.
I love this game because it is difficult to justify pushing a lynch on someone even if we know (or have a good idea of) what role they have. Knowing that Emur and Game might be civil servants only makes them a target if you know they aren't on your team. The only legitimate target would be a faction leader. So confusing and fantastic.
I will read over the thread again in hopes to pick up on some things I may have missed. Maybe looking into the alleged signalling will help narrow down a potential faction leader.
Serc, on 29 September 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:
I think your problem is you want to find Emur's Emperor and lynch him on day 1. Odds are that isn't going to happen. We have very little info to base a lynch on; it's day 1, that's how it is. The best option is to find the most suspicious interactions, explore them if possible, and lynch someone involved. You even say you're ok with an Emurlahn vote but you'd rather lynch the person he was signaling - great, that's exactly what I said when I voted, so how can you criticize me for following the line of thought you are putting forward? I smell hypocrisy and dissembling.
Omtose, on 29 September 2011 - 06:29 PM, said:
Tiamatha, on 29 September 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:
And by the way, am I the only one who believes we should gun out to find the Usurper as he's Public Enemy No 1 with his recruiting ability?
After that, we can eat each others throats out like usual.
After that, we can eat each others throats out like usual.
You know what they say about the first person who brings up a role right.
Sheltatha Lore, on 29 September 2011 - 06:45 PM, said:
Haha I was wondering when someone would say that.
Regarding the search for recruiters, I assume we treat them like cultists and hunt for them if we can, so the sentiment is good, if a bit likely to draw attention
Regarding the search for recruiters, I assume we treat them like cultists and hunt for them if we can, so the sentiment is good, if a bit likely to draw attention
Meanas, on 29 September 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:
Exactly what I was thinking too. Roughly the same can be applied to Gamelon actually, and his signalling accusation. Is it to cover his own signalling?
Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:
I don't see why not having much chance of finding the Usurper prevents us from trying to find him. Perhaps someone doesn't want the thread to be chasing him too hard?
Omtose, on 29 September 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:
Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:
Okaros, on 29 September 2011 - 03:07 PM, said:
I agree that it is possible that Gamelon is targeting Emur and feeling safe it since they may be sharing civil servant roles. This in itself is interesting, but does it warrant a vote I wonder? Tiam wants us to target the Usurper. All well and good, but it is doubtful that we could nail the Usurper this early in the game. Chances are the fellow is laying low until he can recruit some people.
I love this game because it is difficult to justify pushing a lynch on someone even if we know (or have a good idea of) what role they have. Knowing that Emur and Game might be civil servants only makes them a target if you know they aren't on your team. The only legitimate target would be a faction leader. So confusing and fantastic.
I will read over the thread again in hopes to pick up on some things I may have missed. Maybe looking into the alleged signalling will help narrow down a potential faction leader.
I love this game because it is difficult to justify pushing a lynch on someone even if we know (or have a good idea of) what role they have. Knowing that Emur and Game might be civil servants only makes them a target if you know they aren't on your team. The only legitimate target would be a faction leader. So confusing and fantastic.
I will read over the thread again in hopes to pick up on some things I may have missed. Maybe looking into the alleged signalling will help narrow down a potential faction leader.
I don't see why not having much chance of finding the Usurper prevents us from trying to find him. Perhaps someone doesn't want the thread to be chasing him too hard?
And that is the second player to talked about the usurper. The first being Tiam. Now if previous games are anything to go on. Then Tiam could be the usurper hunter which would make Okaros the Usurper or vice versa. I shall put my money where my words are at.
Vote Okaros
Barghast, on 29 September 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:
Omtose, on 29 September 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:
And that is the second player to talked about the usurper. The first being Tiam. Now if previous games are anything to go on. Then Tiam could be the usurper hunter which would make Okaros the Usurper or vice versa. I shall put my money where my words are at.
Vote Okaros
Vote Okaros
Are you pulling a role out of your ass? I think you are pulling a role out of your ass.
And if not, how come you know there is one (or more) when there aren't any in the seven roles named in the OP (Emperor, PM, civvie, military, warlord, champion, usurper)?
You also fail to mention that just after Okaros mentioned the usurper, so did Gamelon. Trying to deflect away from him?
Okaros, on 29 September 2011 - 09:49 PM, said:
Checking in from the library. I'll just quickly address Gamelon while I'm here before heading home.
You are correct in saying that just because it is difficult we shouldn't give up on tracking the Usurper. I realize you are trying to prompt discussion, but I feel that my point stands. After going through the thread once more, there is no evidence that the Usurper has made any overt moves. And if the usurper is any good, I think he/she would avoid drawing attention this early in the game. The Usurper, for obvious reasons, would benefit from buying as much time as possible and keeping his/her head down (just speculation, but it seems to be reasonable). Though this may be the case right now, it is very possible others may find some sign that I missed, and I encourage fresh sets of eyes to look for for evidence.
Gamelon, on 29 September 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:
I don't see why not having much chance of finding the Usurper prevents us from trying to find him. Perhaps someone doesn't want the thread to be chasing him too hard?
You are correct in saying that just because it is difficult we shouldn't give up on tracking the Usurper. I realize you are trying to prompt discussion, but I feel that my point stands. After going through the thread once more, there is no evidence that the Usurper has made any overt moves. And if the usurper is any good, I think he/she would avoid drawing attention this early in the game. The Usurper, for obvious reasons, would benefit from buying as much time as possible and keeping his/her head down (just speculation, but it seems to be reasonable). Though this may be the case right now, it is very possible others may find some sign that I missed, and I encourage fresh sets of eyes to look for for evidence.
Omtose, on 29 September 2011 - 10:19 PM, said:
Barghast, on 29 September 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:
Are you pulling a role out of your ass? I think you are pulling a role out of your ass.
And if not, how come you know there is one (or more) when there aren't any in the seven roles named in the OP (Emperor, PM, civvie, military, warlord, champion, usurper)?
You also fail to mention that just after Okaros mentioned the usurper, so did Gamelon. Trying to deflect away from him?
And if not, how come you know there is one (or more) when there aren't any in the seven roles named in the OP (Emperor, PM, civvie, military, warlord, champion, usurper)?
You also fail to mention that just after Okaros mentioned the usurper, so did Gamelon. Trying to deflect away from him?
I am actually pulling that role out of my ass. Unless you look and or played in the other games. In which case there were roles like that in them. But I don't know for sure that there is. Just as I don't know for sure that Morgoth still has blond hair rather then the pink hair that he is rummer to have or that Dibs isn't Irish but instead a Icelander who likes to pose as a drunken leprechaun for his own twisted amusement. As for trying to deflect away from Gamelon that would be a no. Gamelon mentioned the usurper by pointing out Okaros mention of him. He did so by quoting Okaros not by bring up the usurper and possible thoughts as to whether or not we should try to find him or not. So strawmanning much. Or is it that you know who Okaros is and so you feel the need to try and to subtle defend him by quickly attacking one vote on him. I don't know but right now I kind of like the reaction that I have gotten over the vote so I am fine with leaving it.
You didn't even bother to question my reasoning for voting for him in that people talk about the roles that they have.
Barghast, on 29 September 2011 - 10:29 PM, said:
Omtose, on 29 September 2011 - 10:19 PM, said:
I am actually pulling that role out of my ass. Unless you look and or played in the other games. In which case there were roles like that in them. But I don't know for sure that there is. Just as I don't know for sure that Morgoth still has blond hair rather then the pink hair that he is rummer to have or that Dibs isn't Irish but instead a Icelander who likes to pose as a drunken leprechaun for his own twisted amusement. As for trying to deflect away from Gamelon that would be a no. Gamelon mentioned the usurper by pointing out Okaros mention of him. He did so by quoting Okaros not by bring up the usurper and possible thoughts as to whether or not we should try to find him or not. So strawmanning much. Or is it that you know who Okaros is and so you feel the need to try and to subtle defend him by quickly attacking one vote on him. I don't know but right now I kind of like the reaction that I have gotten over the vote so I am fine with leaving it.
You didn't even bother to question my reasoning for voting for him in that people talk about the roles that they have.
You didn't even bother to question my reasoning for voting for him in that people talk about the roles that they have.
It's a 5% shot to randomly lynch the usurper, which is what basically your whole vaunted usurper hunt amounts to. In a game like this, it is only natural to discuss set-up and tiles. Oh wait, I was one of the first to mention movement, zomg, that must mean that I have been spending boatloads of time on how to move!!!!111!!. Not to mention, that we had a whole lot of discussing this in the past (few?) game(s). Anyone will be watching twice how much they release of their own info, warned as they were by last game.
Finally, you admit that Okaros didn't mention the usurper first, but Tiamatha did. Why would this usurper hunter mention the usurper first? Even if the role exists, even if she is the usurper hunter, then all she does is muddying the waters for the remainder of us, isn;t she? Not to mention, that the real usurper will get suspicious of her. Honestly, it sounds like you want to blow up the issue and lessen the usurper threat.
As for defending Okaros: nope. I merely tend to go with what information is available that I can read with my own two eyes. Wild speculation on a role that may or may not exist (and why would there be a special usurper hunter when there are already a lot of roles that can find or kill or convert themselves to finding/killing roles?). So, I viewed your comment in the context and I figured it was distracting and mere speculation (as you confirmed) and felt the need to call it into question. Which you have now answered.
Ok, so this is what the mention of "Usurper Public Enemy No 1" caused.
Now, try to follow my train of thoughts here, for a bit...
Game starts, and Gamelon jumps the gun on Emur, accusing him of signaling. Then he's pretty dead set on trying to squeeze an answer out of Emur as to why he hinted he's a Civil Servant. From a third party option, this isn't something alarming, but I was re-reading the roles and everything, while reading the thread as well.
Now, reading the Civil Servant, it says they already know who their Emperor are, and also that they can switch between Civil/Military , under some conditions.
Then Gamelon comes out stating he already knows who his Emperor is, and that Emur is BS-ing about being a Civil Servant, blah blah...
So while I was reading the roles, I was thinking ::: Gamelon jumps on Emur for signaling. Gamelon is a Civil/Military Servant. Gamelon makes NO mention what so ever who Emur was signaling. So what if, what Gamelon interpreted was Emur trying to signal Gamelons Emperor stating he's his Civil Servant, and tried to alert his Emperor that Emur is lying? And that's why he was so dead focused on getting an answer out of Emur why he claimed to be something he isn't.
I tried to get Gamelon to answer who he believes Emur was signaling to, since he's the one who followed Emur's case so hard, but there was no answer, neither from Gamelon nor from anyone else who agreed that Emur is probably signaling.
Failing to get people's attention on this theorycrafting, though I did mention it in my posts, I kept reading more on roles and rules, while keeping an eye on the thread. Then I saw the "Usurper" role, and I found it interesting... He currently is an underling in the middle Kingdoms, meaning he's under an Emperor. AT SOME POINT OF THE GAME (which probably means he can't recruit from Day 1) he will start recruiting , and when the Emperor dies, he loses the ability to recruit and becomes an entirely new faction, called Jin.
So reading on that, and considering the interaction that took place between Gamelon etc etc, I was thinking ::::
Since Gamelon claims Civil / Military Official of one faction, he calls out Emur for not being one, afraid that Emur's signaling reached Gamelons Emperor. So, if people pick up on that, and we try to find the most likely candidate that Emur's signals were going to, then we get a shot at potentially ----
1) Nailing an Emperor
2) Since only the Three Middle Kingdoms have an Emperor, we get an additional 33,3% chance of nailing the Emperor under which the Usurper currently operates.
3) If we do get an Emperor, and the Usurper IS under him, then could it possibly mean that the Usurper is forced to become immediately the Emperor of Jin faction, without possibly being able to benefit from his recruiting abilities at all, thus becoming a semi-negligent (hopefully) factor in the current game.
Hell, two birds with one stone. It was worth it, in my book, if you ask me. Wild shot? Yea, perhaps. Worth looking into and considering? For sure. After all it's Day One, it's not as if there would be huge debates, endless list of solid cases and more important stuff to consider.
So to those who want to claim <It's only 5% to nail the Usurper> , <It's too early to gun for the Usurper> , <Let's not wild chase..> etc etc , I say, there is a different way of actually getting this mofo cockblocked faster from recruiting the fuck out of everywhere. Kill his Emperor while he hasn't done much recruiting or damage.
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Telas
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 08:23 AM
Right. Sorry for my lack of participation. I was genuinely surprised that this game started yesterday and not on the forthcoming Monday and had planned myself little room for play. I'll be participating properly come Monday though.
Reading through the thread (which took a long time. It's rare to see such an info packed day 1) I had some comments to make towards Gamelon, but as he's now lynched most of them seem pointless. I did however conclude (perhaps wrongly) that Gamelon was the CO of his faction and by interpreting Emurlahn's phrase as a camouflaged reveal of the same role he found a safe lynch target. I doubt that he saw Emu trying to trick Gam's emperor into thinking Emu was his CO. That would be a little too complex for one such comment I think.
Reading through the thread (which took a long time. It's rare to see such an info packed day 1) I had some comments to make towards Gamelon, but as he's now lynched most of them seem pointless. I did however conclude (perhaps wrongly) that Gamelon was the CO of his faction and by interpreting Emurlahn's phrase as a camouflaged reveal of the same role he found a safe lynch target. I doubt that he saw Emu trying to trick Gam's emperor into thinking Emu was his CO. That would be a little too complex for one such comment I think.
