[D'riss]

From what I can tell Eloth's 'thoughts' on day one are 'When we don't know anything about anyone and no-one has done anything suspicous, then trying to jumpstart the thread by voting a lowposter is a good idea'. I don't disagree with that statement, and sure enough, it has jumpstarted the thread, hasn't it.

[Tiamatha]

sorry to post again right away, but i forgot to say, i also think attractign attention to himself, fener could be trying to rescue merrid. just a possibility that i wanted to throw out, tho seems like others may be already thinking along these lines cya

[Barghast]

Four whole pages of new stuff (goes to check this account isset to 40 posts a page)

Re some discussion earlier - cult are the perennial boogeymen of faction games for a reason. So sure, if someone figures out who the cult is ealry game, make a damn good effort to get them lynched. That said, there is normally a whole long discussion about who exactly should be lynched first or who is more 'dangerous'. Until we actually have any sort of info to go on the whole discussion is pretty pointless, other than establishing which faction you're going to pin onto whoever you think should be lynched to further your own goals.

I agree with Fener's point of view in that just randomly choosing to go with a low poster day one is fairly defeatist and unlikely to uield any sort of useful info. That said I don't like the way he has presented his argument and I think he is placing way more meaning in Eloth and Alkend's comments than what I feel was intended. Not sure if it's indicative of any specific objectives though. I would think cult has one, maybe two players right now. If it's one, it's unlikely Fener is him unless he is playing a very, very risky strategy. if there's two maybe Merrid is the more important player nad Fener's trying for a distraction storm, but I don't really feel like that is the case.

The other thing I don't like is the people going on about not knowing things about certain factions - that's the sort of thing you ask about off thread, discussing it on thread seems a bit intentional. Although whether it's indicative that thye are or aren't in the factions being discussed it pure WIFOM.

[Fener]

D, on 14 June 2011 - 01:15 PM, said:

From what I can tell Eloth's 'thoughts' on day one are 'When we don't know anything about anyone and no-one has done anything suspicous, then trying to jumpstart the thread by voting a lowposter is a good idea'. I don't disagree with that statement, and sure enough, it has jumpstarted the thread, hasn't it.

yes i have conceded the fact, a few times already, that im more ok with alkends vote now, especailly if it was to simply get Merrid talking.
My argument was that voting off someone that hasnt even had a chance to speak is even more risky than someone who has said something and given you some info.
In my book less info = more risk to that person being on your team.
Eloth thinks that doesnt apply!
I found that to be a little too much on the side of what a cultist would be thinking.
the argumant escelated/stemmed from there.

watever...

like i said...you people arent reading the thread properly. or arent getting what i am putting out there.

[D'riss]

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 01:25 PM, said:

D, on 14 June 2011 - 01:15 PM, said:

From what I can tell Eloth's 'thoughts' on day one are 'When we don't know anything about anyone and no-one has done anything suspicous, then trying to jumpstart the thread by voting a lowposter is a good idea'. I don't disagree with that statement, and sure enough, it has jumpstarted the thread, hasn't it.

yes i have conceded the fact, a few times already, that im more ok with alkends vote now, especailly if it was to simply get Merrid talking.
My argument was that voting off someone that hasnt even had a chance to speak is even more risky than someone who has said something and given you some info.
In my book less info = more risk to that person being on your team.
Eloth thinks that doesnt apply!
I found that to be a little too much on the side of what a cultist would be thinking.
the argumant escelated/stemmed from there.

watever...

like i said...you people arent reading the thread properly. or arent getting what i am putting out there.

We now have the most info on you of anybody in thread. Are you saying that our best move is to vote you off?

[Fener]

ok...fine...everyone is so hung up on me defending low posters and by default Merrid.
Since no one wants to see it my way i will


remove vote

Vote Merrid


How ironic would it be if he turns out to be the cultist afterall !!!

[Fener]

D, on 14 June 2011 - 01:29 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 01:25 PM, said:

D, on 14 June 2011 - 01:15 PM, said:

From what I can tell Eloth's 'thoughts' on day one are 'When we don't know anything about anyone and no-one has done anything suspicous, then trying to jumpstart the thread by voting a lowposter is a good idea'. I don't disagree with that statement, and sure enough, it has jumpstarted the thread, hasn't it.

yes i have conceded the fact, a few times already, that im more ok with alkends vote now, especailly if it was to simply get Merrid talking.
My argument was that voting off someone that hasnt even had a chance to speak is even more risky than someone who has said something and given you some info.
In my book less info = more risk to that person being on your team.
Eloth thinks that doesnt apply!
I found that to be a little too much on the side of what a cultist would be thinking.
the argumant escelated/stemmed from there.

watever...

like i said...you people arent reading the thread properly. or arent getting what i am putting out there.

We now have the most info on you of anybody in thread. Are you saying that our best move is to vote you off?

no... im saying with me at least you can make a more informed decision than voting off say..kalse!!

[Gamelon]

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 01:30 PM, said:

Since no one wants to see it my way

No, I think it's easy to understand what you mean, but after reading back over the last few pages, I think this has turned into one of the most interesting day 1's of a faction game because of Alkend's vote and the subsequent debate. Usually day 1 is pretty tame since, like I said earlier, people are too cagey to push too hard in any direction.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 2 hours and 36 minutes remaining

16 Players still alive: Alkend, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Ruse, Serc, Tiamatha

9 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Merrid ( Alkend, D'riss, Tiamatha, Fener )
1 Vote for Okaros ( Hood's Path )
1 Vote for Fener ( Eloth )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Barghast, Gamelon, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Ruse, Serc

[Path-Shaper]

Also, for those with night actions, it would not be overly terrible timing to submit your provisionals now.

- T.

[Fener]

Gamelon, on 14 June 2011 - 01:42 PM, said:

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 01:30 PM, said:

Since no one wants to see it my way

No, I think it's easy to understand what you mean, but after reading back over the last few pages, I think this has turned into one of the most interesting day 1's of a faction game because of Alkend's vote and the subsequent debate. Usually day 1 is pretty tame since, like I said earlier, people are too cagey to push too hard in any direction.

Well....i would say its the fact that Eloth decided to start the wifom thing plus start talking how random day one inevitably always is that really got this started. Alkend never pushed his vote hard....i pushed hard back though and it has escalated nicely since then.
Yea, alkends vote was certainly catalyst...but it is not the main the reason we have been arguing from my point of view.

Anyways... the idea was to make this an interesting day and not let it be like eloth thinks/wants it to be.

[Hood's Path]

I'm back. Going to catch up. How much time is left?

Edit:

Looks like I have about around 2 hours minus.

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 14 June 2011 - 02:14 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Hood, on 14 June 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

I'm back. Going to catch up. How much time is left?

2 hours, or close to it.

[Fener]

Hood, on 14 June 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

I'm back. Going to catch up. How much time is left?

2 hours or so

[Barghast]

Aren't the votes on Merrid kind of pointless now that he has come on and said a bit more? Especially since it looks like he's now the closest thing to a train after some other low posters jumped on the bandwagon?

I don't have any reason not to vote for Merrid and I don't think there time for a train on anyone else, but it seems like this argument has pretty much gone 180 degrees since it started.

[Fener]

Barghast, on 14 June 2011 - 02:21 PM, said:

Aren't the votes on Merrid kind of pointless now that he has come on and said a bit more? Especially since it looks like he's now the closest thing to a train after some other low posters jumped on the bandwagon?

I don't have any reason not to vote for Merrid and I don't think there time for a train on anyone else, but it seems like this argument has pretty much gone 180 degrees since it started.

I initially berated alkend for going after low posters (wich included myself at the time wich was ignored).
Some people seem to think my not liking the low poster vote and also having a go at Eltoh is supposed to be me trying to protect Merrid somehow.

wich in turn makes merrid my leader or something like that.

edit - duplicated sentance + added the last one too

This post has been edited by Fener: 14 June 2011 - 02:28 PM

[Eloth]

you orreacted to the suggestion of going for low posters claiming its a pet peeve, then to disprove you are in any way attached to merrid you are willing to throw him to the wolves. Considering your claim that you voted me because i didnt care who I voted for, when at the slightest nudge you manage to make yourself a perfectly reasonable lynch, you have the nerve to turn around and vote for merrid simply to prove you werent protecting him. so irrational and mercenary.

remove vote

vote merrid

we need to lynch everyday and dspite feners play i cannot see him being lynched.

[Hood's Path]

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 11:24 AM, said:

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 10:55 AM, said:

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 10:09 AM, said:

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 09:24 AM, said:

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 09:08 AM, said:

you know just as little about the high posters on day1, or if they are sneaky you know a load of shit. fact is day 1 you are going mostly on single line hellos or joke posts. theres no info from voting or night actions at all, unlike later in the game. People arent really gunning yet tbf, and your reluctance just makes me think you know one of them and are worried. If i wanted to wifom i could claim its an act or you want us to believe you are associated with them and vote for you instead on the grounds that you are trying to mislead me or seem to have a relationship with a low poster

ugggh... ok...i'll play your little game.

I could also say that you perhaps know that the low posters aren't on your team and are just looking for an easy lynch.

Or you are the cult and are eager to get the lynch going to start recruiting and its easy to pick on the players that have yet to have an opportunity to actually have some time to come one yet.

You guys are pointing fingers at people 20 hours into a game who clearly have just checked in early to say that they know the game is on and will be back when they have the time?
this earlyYou use "laying low" as an excuse and then drop a vote looks a bit dodgy to me... Everyone hasn't even checked in FFS.

You can bluster on about me trying to "protect one of them" ....but you forget.... I AM ONE OF THOSE PLAYERS...hurr durr.
So watever... go ahead vote merrid of for not showing up in good time...you must have a pretty good idea of who is on your team then.
Thats what i think anyways.


edit - added quote

You arent one of them - sorry to burst your bubble (your second highest!!).

Alkend, on 14 June 2011 - 06:22 AM, said:

Fener, on 13 June 2011 - 11:02 AM, said:

hey hey... setup looks interesting.
Alwasy wanted to read GAP series.
Had to stop reading the OP though as its seems a tad bit too spoilerific...hopes its not a requirement to do so.

Serc, on 13 June 2011 - 11:03 AM, said:

Just checking in, will be back later

Laying low on day one, beneath any notice?

Vote Merrid

Just because you where first out of the three to say you'd be back on, i'll be back in around 5 hours

im not one of them....?... was i not so named RIGHT THERE!!??
When i started this arguemnet i had one post...so my bubble is securly in tact...so there!!

Eloth, on 14 June 2011 - 10:09 AM, said:

In a faction game its highly unlikely that any player knows more than one other player so to claim i dont know any of the low posters are on my team is a relatively safe bet, and in the end with so many low posters if i did have a team mate in that area all i would do is push for a different one so the point is fairly moot.

Also - i am not blustering, you said its too risky going for someone with one post, and yet when i suggested we look at you (considering you are now not a low poster and i know you vehemetly do not want one of them lynched) you over react to what was in my mind a good humoured jest.

Thank you for a the lesson on faction games master yoda...teach me more!!

seriously... all i was saying is that i find it silly in a faction game for someone to start voting for a player they have ZERO info on and using low posting as the excuse.
Especially so early on in a game...you guys are not even giving people a chance to start playing and are already gunning for low posters?

Thats fucking stupid. This game started around bed time for some...give people a chance to come on before you start gunning that angle at least...thats all im saying!!
You have more chance of deducing if someone is on your team or not if he has actually had a chance to talk...correct?
You keep on defending alkends decision to go for low posters, and it makes me believe that there is a good chance you know that these players are not on your team already...at least its better then me following along and voting for people who have hardly said a word yet!

I have no idea weather Merrid or Serc are on my team.
therefore i would like to at least give them the time to speak before i start labeling them "low posters" or "laying low" and these rather nonsensical labels aimed at players freaking less than a day into the game.

It seems to me that you guys might be pushing for an easy lynch too....and why would you want to do that?
Wouldn't you like to hear from more people before you start throwing this FUD around?

This whole nonsense that day one is "always random" is so old hat and is only true because people like you make it true.

I would much rather vote off one of you two... because you seam to be very happy throwing caution to the wind and voting for just about anybody... especially players that have not had a chance to come online yet making it even less likely that you would glean any form of allegiance!

Vote Eloth


I am voting for you because Alkend merely placed a vote and used low posting as an excuse. and he was maybe just trying to get more talk.
Whereas you seem to have taken it a bit further and even started defending the idea that voting off low posters is fine..and actually dont seem to care who you vote for which is more indicative of someone who knows full well who his team is.
Which in turn smacks to me of there being a slight chance (better then voting off a random at least) that you are a cult member and are willing to vote anybody because cult members are about the only guys who dont give a toss who goes!


cheers



edit - quote tag fuck up!!

defensive much? You seem to be ignoring the fact i havent voted and seem rather annoyed that i am not grouping you with the low posters. to say someone is happily voting off people when they havent voted seems rather absurd. You argued that voting for low posters was a bad play - i disagreed and defended my point with reasoning. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt make you right. I am not alkend, i didnt label anyone or vote so wind your neck in.

Quote

This whole nonsense that day one is "always random" is so old hat and is only true because people like you make it true.

People like me? you really need to think before you spout this shit cause it just comes across like a childish rant.

I think he doth protest too much.


Holy cow Fener. The way you are ranting and going off how can anyone not think you are trying to protect Merrid. Makes me also think that Merrid might be a power position too. The question is which power position?

[Karatallid]

I'm back.

Barghast, on 14 June 2011 - 02:21 PM, said:

Aren't the votes on Merrid kind of pointless now that he has come on and said a bit more? Especially since it looks like he's now the closest thing to a train after some other low posters jumped on the bandwagon?

I don't have any reason not to vote for Merrid and I don't think there time for a train on anyone else, but it seems like this argument has pretty much gone 180 degrees since it started.

Who would you like to go for? With 8 players on there is a chance to lynch someone else.

Fener, on 14 June 2011 - 02:26 PM, said:

Barghast, on 14 June 2011 - 02:21 PM, said:

Aren't the votes on Merrid kind of pointless now that he has come on and said a bit more? Especially since it looks like he's now the closest thing to a train after some other low posters jumped on the bandwagon?

I don't have any reason not to vote for Merrid and I don't think there time for a train on anyone else, but it seems like this argument has pretty much gone 180 degrees since it started.

I initially berated alkend for going after low posters (wich included myself at the time wich was ignored).
Some people seem to think my not liking the low poster vote and also having a go at Eltoh is supposed to be me trying to protect Merrid somehow.

wich in turn makes merrid my leader or something like that.

edit - duplicated sentance + added the last one too

At the point where Alkend tossed his vote almost all players where low posters. Did someone had more than five post at that point?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 1 hour and 37 minutes remaining

16 Players still alive: Alkend, Anomandaris, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Ruse, Serc, Tiamatha

9 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

5 Votes for Merrid ( Alkend, D'riss, Tiamatha, Fener, Eloth )
1 Vote for Okaros ( Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Barghast, Gamelon, Kalse, Karatallid, Liosan, Merrid, Okaros, Ruse, Serc