[Gust Hubb]

D'rek, I was mostly pointing out the lake orientation on the HoC map. Plus, there needs to be room for the plateaus.

[D'rek]

Gust Hubb, on 12 June 2011 - 03:39 PM, said:

D'rek, I was mostly pointing out the lake orientation on the HoC map. Plus, there needs to be room for the plateaus.

Lake Blued/Owndos Sea is inconsistent between the maps, are there any other lake problems? The plateaus are there, they're just a part of the mountain range and not shown in intricate detail on the genabackis map in MoI.

For comparison:

Nortwhest Genabackis Map (from HoC):

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Genabackis Map (from MoI):

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[Beezulbubba]

Salt-Man Z, on 12 June 2011 - 05:00 AM, said:

This is amazing, and I mean AMAZING, so I kinda hate to be the guy to say this, but am I the only one who thinks the map of Wu looks like

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a bunch of wangs?

I didn't really get that at all. Genabakis maybe, but too me it looks like a prototypical turd.

[D'rek]

Updated the map to include the Orb Sceptre Throne map of southern Genebackis, and also added in some changes to make the centre of the Lether continent less boring.

[Zaloopa]

Very nice map! For a long time I was thinking of scanning the maps in all the books I have and arranging them in photoshop to make a world map, but you've already done better than I ever would have. Now I just need to find some time when the large format photoprinter at work isn't being watched too closely so I can print it out as a huge poster.

[Werthead]

Possible update with a quick and dirty paste of Jacuruku into it.

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Another two months and we can put Assail in, and have the final piece of the puzzle

Some existing thoughts: Assail seems to be much closer to the other continents than on this map. It appears to be pretty easy to get to (the Wrecking Coast aside), it's just that everyone avoids it like the plague. I've moved it over closer to Genabackis and Korel. In addition, I believe based on the previous discussions that Genabackis should be slightly bigger and somewhat closer to Seven Cities, but I've left it where it is for now. Also, whilst I believe Lether is huge, it's not quite as big as the Seven Cities continent. I think Hetan said it was about two-thirds the size in a previous thread?

This post has been edited by Werthead: 14 May 2014 - 09:05 PM

[Egwene]

Thanks Werthead. Any chance you could upload your maps to the Wikia as well?

http://malazan.wikia...i/Category:Maps

I have a link to your other map on the encyclopaedia here under my favourites because I use it so frequently as a reference tool. I am sure I am not the only one. Your work is definitely appreciated. Look forward to having the final piece of the jigsaw... having said that... the Kharkanas books might add a few more details

[D'rek]

Werthead, on 07 May 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

Possible update with a quick and dirty paste of Jacuruku into it.

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Another two months and we can put Assail in, and have the final piece of the puzzle

Some existing thoughts: Assail seems to be much closer to the other continents than on this map. It appears to be pretty easy to get to (the Wrecking Coast aside), it's just that everyone avoids it like the plague. I've moved it over closer to Genabackis and Korel. In addition, I believe based on the previous discussions that Genabackis should be slightly bigger and somewhat closer to Seven Cities, but I've left it where it is for now. Also, whilst I believe Lether is huge, it's not quite as big as the Seven Cities continent. I think Hetan said it was about two-thirds the size in a previous thread?

Yeah, I am planning to put aside some time this summer once Assail is out to get both it and Jacuruku into this properly.

I had Assail where it is because it put the Wrecking Coast almost in a straight line between Darujhistan and the Wastelands, which gives Mappo and co. a good reason to wind up at the Wrecking Coast in-between those two places. Seemed as good an idea as any until we get the actual map of it to learn its true shape.

I'm not convinced about the sizes of Genebackis/7C/Lether and how they compare. Steve has said some things, Hetan has said others, and then there is the scales shown on the maps in the books... and none of these 3 things agree with the other 2. I mainly based the sizes in this map on the scales from the books, and also on the seeming travel times of characters/armies. Given how long it seems the Sengar brothers traveled to reach the sword, the armies moving across Lether and then through the Wastelands+Glass Desert, versus armies traveling to Y'Ghatan or people going from Pale to Darujhistan, or from southern Genebackis to Darujhistan... etc etc... also things like the north Lether ice fields being so big helps to explain the isolation of the Edur, and likewise the minimal cross-knowledge of Lether and the Malazan empire.

But it's all just a big shot in the dark to some extent, too.

I'd say western 7C is the most variable part. I feel like the parts of the Lether continent I added in compared to the size of the parts of Lether that come from the maps line up very well with the plot there - I wouldn't want to change that part much. But western 7C is so described so sparsely it could be much bigger or much smaller and have a very different shape, as needed. My mental placement of Shal-Morzinn ended up being quite wrong, anyways.

[Werthead]

I finally seem to have killed Photobucket with bandwidth, so I switched to using Blogger instead. So that means the map is visible again

[Werthead]

Looking at the past information, it appears that the mapped bit of Seven Cities is only one-third of the whole continent, the whole 7C continent is the largest continent on the planet and Lether is two-thirds its size. Whilst Lether is also huge, I'm not sure it's that huge. We're talking about the crossing of the Glass Desert alone being longer than the entire Chain of Dogs, which seems extreme.

I'm also pretty certain that SE later decided not to rely on the scale bars, which is why they were removed from the later maps (not that we ever found out how big a 'league' is in his parlance in the first place, or whether Letherii leagues and Malazan leagues were the same thing).

[D'rek]

Werthead, on 19 May 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

Looking at the past information, it appears that the mapped bit of Seven Cities is only one-third of the whole continent, the whole 7C continent is the largest continent on the planet and Lether is two-thirds its size. Whilst Lether is also huge, I'm not sure it's that huge. We're talking about the crossing of the Glass Desert alone being longer than the entire Chain of Dogs, which seems extreme.

I'm also pretty certain that SE later decided not to rely on the scale bars, which is why they were removed from the later maps (not that we ever found out how big a 'league' is in his parlance in the first place, or whether Letherii leagues and Malazan leagues were the same thing).

Fair enough, the distance across the wastelands and desert is a bit too much compared to the rest of the world. I think it scales with the rest of Lether well, though, so in my working version of the map I have resized the whole continent down to about 60%. I could have sworn I'd based its current size off of a scale bar, but looking for Lether maps now I don't see any. I'll have to check my copy of MT next time I see it. In any case, you're right we probably can't rely on scale bars too much.

On your modified version, Wert, I think Jacuruku is too far north. It could hardly be that isolated if it's that close to Quon Tali/Drift Avalii. Since it is now confirmed to be west of Korel, I guess the icebergs Ereko and Kyle see in RotCG to their south really are the ice fields surrounding Jacuruku, and with your current positioning of it I don't think those could be south of them, either. That being said, the various direction comments from RotCG about Jacuruku don't really all work anymore, I think, now that the jungles of it are on the east side of the continent. Oh well.

Also, you have Bael marked too far south. Bael is just the small middle areas between "Assail lands" and Nabraja, right? I would put Nabraja where you have Bael marked and write in Bael around the middle of the continent.

This post has been edited by D'rek: 23 May 2014 - 01:56 PM

[Werthead]

Yeah, the scale bar is only on the MT map of north-west Lether. The maps in RG and DoD showing the whole western half of the continent don't have a bar on them.

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It could hardly be that isolated if it's that close to Quon Tali/Drift Avalii

It's an interesting one, especially as we also have to account for the White Spires Ocean running from Kolanse all the way to Stratem without Jacuruku interrupting it too much (otherwise we'd have two separate seas) and Jacuruku also lying at the south-western end of the Ocean/Strait of Storms, which lies just south of Quon Tali. Some of this might be dealt with by resizing Jacuruku: it's probably too big on my version. I think Mal and Hetan said Jacuruku was actually smaller than Quon Tali or Korel and the "Isle of Jacuruku" designation in B&B suggests that it may be in that grey area between small continent and large island.

[D'rek]

Toyed around with this somewhat tonight. Here's what I put together:

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 Map of the World Phase 7 - no names.jpg (634.98K)
Number of downloads: 16

And with some region/nation names added:

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 Map of the World Phase 7 - with some names.jpg (665.28K)
Number of downloads: 9

Genostel/Cabal/Umryg/etc locations are just random guesses. Moved Assail closer, resized Lether continent, moved Genebackis a bit, added in Jacuruku (a tiny bit smaller than in yours, Wert).

This post has been edited by D'rek: 25 May 2014 - 06:59 AM

[Werthead]

Genostel isn't on the map is it?

Based on Hetan's info from the other thread, it appears to be one very large island (but not continent-sized) and a few surrounding islands, maybe halfway from Genabackis to western Seven Cities?

[Defiance]

Kudos D'rek, map looks amazing. I like the re-sized continents - Lether was looking absurdly large before.

[D'rek]

Werthead, on 25 May 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

Genostel isn't on the map is it?

Based on Hetan's info from the other thread, it appears to be one very large island (but not continent-sized) and a few surrounding islands, maybe halfway from Genabackis to western Seven Cities?

I think all we know about Genostel is that it is an archipelago, and that (from Lady Envy in MoI) it is "halfway around the world" from the Pannion Domin. I randomly decided to put it at the islands between the Letheri and 7C continents, but it could be almost anywhere we want it to be.

[HoosierDaddy]

I just don't like the size of the Letherii continent. It's HUGE. I know you tried to take travel times into consideration and that has a part to play in the massive middle section, but I'd rather it be some mystical/god-slain reason that makes the Glass Desert so impossible to pass as opposed to nearly being the size of Quon Tali.

Bluerose can't possibly be that large?

[Werthead]

Hetan's map (based on SE's) does clearly show Genostel in that position between between Genabackis and 7C though. Give that that ocean (the Rust Ocean) appears to be the largest on Wu, it can still be quite distant in that position, whilst also explaining how the Genostellians did invade Genabackis at one point in the past.

As for Lether, it is a massive continent, the second-largest on the planet (after the full Seven Cities supercontinent). Not as big as on the first map, but yeah, it's a big one.

Quon Tali does feel a little small (it's about the size of Australia, I think) considering all the action that happens on it and the sheer number of cultures and cities that appear on it, but then so does Europe on a map.

[D'rek]

HoosierDaddy, on 25 May 2014 - 07:40 PM, said:

I just don't like the size of the Letherii continent. It's HUGE. I know you tried to take travel times into consideration and that has a part to play in the massive middle section, but I'd rather it be some mystical/god-slain reason that makes the Glass Desert so impossible to pass as opposed to nearly being the size of Quon Tali.

Bluerose can't possibly be that large?

If the Glass Desert was small, they would have just gone around it.

[Werthead]

From the Assail extract, it sounds like the Bloodmare Ocean is quite a bit smaller than previously thought: Assail is only two weeks' travel to the east of Korel and Kyle suggests it should be called more of a strait than an ocean. It is also located more like south or even south-west of the Galatan Sweep off Genabackis's south-eastern coast.