[champ]

BalrogLord, on 09 October 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

Silencer, on 09 October 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 09 October 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

Cause, on 09 October 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

An important question.

In regards to Full Metal Alchemist and FMA: Brotherhood. My understanding that they are both adaptions of the Manga, both cover the same ground but of course are different. So Do I watch both or only one? Which one?

I've yet to watch, but from what I understand BROTHERHOOD is the more source-specific to the Manga because the original show was being written while the Manga was still getting made (and thus it deviates from the source material heavily)...and BROTHERHOOD sticks to the manga.

So I've heard they are both worth watching for being different versions of the tale....but when I watch I'll be skipping the first one and going straight for BROTHERHOOD.

Which, if you're going to watch only one of them, is the one to watch, by 90% of accounts.

that's debatable, i think it's more of an even 50 50. Both series have their merits.

If you were only going to pick one to watch then go for Brotherhood, I really enjoyed watching both though, similar at the start and deviate off with different endings though my memory is now fuzzy of all the details, I know I enjoyed the Brotherhood arc more.

Watched a few animes lately, stand out though has to be Black Lagoon, watching the dubbed version and it is excellent, haven't started with season 3 yet but soon. Death Note was fun too!

[yuna_anomander25]

resumed my watch of Naruto Shippuuden with Madara vs 5 Kage battle/Naruto & Bee vs Tobi/Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto after months and months of Fillers,, good to see they're finally resuming with Canon material,,
also reading the manga of Naruto,, i'm now at chapter 636,, and took a short break to watch more animes,,
and while i've invested with this series before,, i have to say:

Spoiler

with the revelation of Tobi/Obito - it left so many plotholes in the series

the shows i'm currently watching:

GUNDAM AGE - slow start and i don't like the character designs that much,,

KUROKO NO BASKET SEASON 2 - 1st episode only so far,, after a few months that i finished S1,, they're now back,, will finally see the rest of the Generation of Miracles - Musakibara and my favorite Akashi,,

HANASAKU IROHA - a slice-of-life anime revolving around a teenage girl who works at an inn,,

CODE:BREAKER - 2 episodes so far viewed,, though i'm apprehensive,, since many are saying that the MC girl is so annoying,,

i'm also curious about HYOUKA and MY LITTLE MONSTER,, though the latter is much more to my liking,,
also watched a few scenes of COPPELION,, but it isn't keeping me interested so far,,

This post has been edited by yuna_anomander25: 11 October 2013 - 04:15 PM

[Gothos]

When is the next batch of Attack on Titan due?

[LinearPhilosopher]

@above, no formal declaration has been made but it's likely already in production. Personal estimate:2 years.

champ, on 09 October 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

BalrogLord, on 09 October 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

Silencer, on 09 October 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 09 October 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

Cause, on 09 October 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

An important question.

In regards to Full Metal Alchemist and FMA: Brotherhood. My understanding that they are both adaptions of the Manga, both cover the same ground but of course are different. So Do I watch both or only one? Which one?

I've yet to watch, but from what I understand BROTHERHOOD is the more source-specific to the Manga because the original show was being written while the Manga was still getting made (and thus it deviates from the source material heavily)...and BROTHERHOOD sticks to the manga.

So I've heard they are both worth watching for being different versions of the tale....but when I watch I'll be skipping the first one and going straight for BROTHERHOOD.

Which, if you're going to watch only one of them, is the one to watch, by 90% of accounts.

that's debatable, i think it's more of an even 50 50. Both series have their merits.

If you were only going to pick one to watch then go for Brotherhood, I really enjoyed watching both though, similar at the start and deviate off with different endings though my memory is now fuzzy of all the details, I know I enjoyed the Brotherhood arc more.

Watched a few animes lately, stand out though has to be Black Lagoon, watching the dubbed version and it is excellent, haven't started with season 3 yet but soon. Death Note was fun too!

I enjoyed the regular arc more, i found the story worked better and characters died where appropriate. In FMA brotherhood i found certain characters avoided way to many death flags, which to a certain degree reduced the power of the narrative.

not that brotherhood was bad, far from it, but it's one of those opinion type things

This post has been edited by BalrogLord: 13 October 2013 - 02:38 PM

[LinearPhilosopher]

so what's every1s thoughts on the season thus far.

I came into the season with low expectations and im glad i did. Atm the only series i think are worth anything are those that are already airing.
valvrave s2
gifuu douduu has gotten suprisingly good with the new arc.
Rwby, meh.... it's ok series, needs more fighting action less plot cause the plot is terribly cliched.
Avatar korra (awesome)

aside from that
machine doll> expected something inteligent, got something stupid in return, i then expected good action and got rewarded with awful character development. They established this girl in ep1 as being this tough no non snese girl. In ep 3 shes crying like a baby in front of the main villain and almost dies, but ends up being rescued at the last minute by the male protagonist.
kill la kill:it's great if you can a)turn your brain off, b)put on fanservice goggles
log horion: while i am liking this show im bracing for an SAO level of quality drop. Its a likeable show but not anything spectacular (though it does make me want to play an mmo)

As a sidenote, it's possible it's just me but i've noticed the anime industry in general is chauvinistic. (Yes there's the fanservice, but i mean outside of the general harem/echi fanservicy shows.)
It's At the same level as most video games. Recently i reinstalled google chrome. I wanted an anime skin for it, and i wanted something female. I already have a GiTS background so thats that off the list. I then proceeded to comb my anime list, when i noticed pretty much every one of them has a male lead. Most female characters are side characters and there isn't much too them. How many shows have female characters as being part of the main cast that aren't walking fanservice or damsels in distress?

Ghost in the shell
Black lagoon
Shakugan No shana
danganropa(recent)
attack on titan (recent)
Chevalier d'eon
angel beats
C (maybe?)
Claymore
Cowboy bebop
durarara
fate zero
ga rei zero
gunslinger girl (debatable)
jormungand
murde princess
shin sekai yori
zetsuen no tempest (maybe)
ouran high school host club

19/128, (not facturing series i've probably omitted from the list and not counting series i've dropped)
That's 14.8%. If i was a bit more inclusive and not count season 2s etc i may be able to get above 15% but still...

Im also likely excluding female oriented romance shows, but if i factor in that i don't watch harem/fanservice show wouldn't they cancel out, ie there's just as many male harems as there are female harem shows?
At the same time im pretty sure for every iwatobi swin club there's 5 highschool dxds/ikki tousens

[amphibian]

Uh, Panty and Stocking with Garter Belt is kind of a dual female lead show, but it's got a bit of "everybody on the show becomes an avenue for sex jokes" dynamic. And I do mean everybody. It's the most all-inclusive show I've seen in a while.

[LinearPhilosopher]

amphibian, on 22 October 2013 - 03:35 AM, said:

Uh, Panty and Stocking with Garter Belt is kind of a dual female lead show, but it's got a bit of "everybody on the show becomes an avenue for sex jokes" dynamic. And I do mean everybody. It's the most all-inclusive show I've seen in a while.

right... i forgot about pant and stocking, make it 20 we have our 15%!. But yeah 20%, shouldn't it be closer to say 40%?
http://myanimelist.n...list/BalrogLord
here's the list fyi

This post has been edited by BalrogLord: 22 October 2013 - 04:56 AM

[Cause]

2 years for attack on titan?

That seems way too slow?

Also let me assure anyone who is interested that FMA Brotherhood >>>>>>> FMA

[LinearPhilosopher]

Cause, on 22 October 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

2 years for attack on titan?

That seems way too slow?

Also let me assure anyone who is interested that FMA Brotherhood >>>>>>> FMA

Idk if s2 has been announced yet, but given that it was incredibly popular it will likely be getting renewed, the studio likely needed to see how AoT did before getting funds to start s2.

[Silencer]

I haven't watched much from this season yet, but Kyoukai no Kanata is great. Bit more action-oriented than their usual work...almost seems like a more serious Chuunibyou...


As for the list of less than chauvinistic anime, you can add:

Noir
Requiem for the Phantom
Madlax
El Cazador de la Brujah

All by Bee Train. Fan service is there, but light, and except for Requiem have female protagonists exclusively - and in Requiem, the female is more physically competent than the male lead, and they both more or less become each other's emotional crutch due to the fact that they are both psychologically fucked up.

Let's also add:

A Certain Scientific Railgun
ef; both seasons
Baccano! (you had Durarara, but not this? XD)
Black Rock Shooter
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (God is a girl, and the most competent other character is also female...ish. Sure, they're not the "lead" characters, but Haruhi is the plot motivator and Yuki is pretty close behind.)
Myself;Yourself (at least half the plot revolves around the twins, who are a balanced male/female pair, and the female protagonist is not exactly weak herself; in fact, all female characters are treated as people with motivations and desires)
Kill Me Baby (comedy, but again, female protagonists)
Psycho-Pass
Noein
Senkou no Night Raid
Witch Hunter Robin

I'd be inclined to include:
Persona 4 (but the Animation is not as good as the game, in terms of having...proper character development for the girls, or letting them kick ass themselves)
Sword Art Online (again, except that the anime, and definitely ALO arc, turn Asuna into a damsel in distress, and the other girls aren't given much respect/development except as love interests. But in the novels Asuna is ONLY portrayed as a DiD in ALO; after that she kicks ass again)
Monogatari series (they may be high on the fanservice scale, but the girls DO all have unique, explored personalities and are shown in later stories to be their own protagonists; Koyomi only gets all the limelight in Bakemono because he's the narrator).
Chuunibyou Demo Koi ga Shitai (marginal, as it's harem-y; though honestly the MC was always going to be paired with the female lead, and not much challenged that, so it's not really a harem show. Just feels a bit light on the female independence...nah, it goes on the list)


And if you're not limiting to series:
Arriety
Howl's Moving Castle
The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
Spirited Away
Princess Mononoke


Which is like...44 out of 95 anime on my anime list. That is, in all cases, taking separate MAL entires as separate instances, for both the "not chauvinistic" shows and the "chauvinistic/N/A" shows. I don't have all the anime I've watched on MAL, but that's a pretty hefty percentage. 46% in fact.

So what we just established is that I watch a lot more not-chauvinistic shows than BL does.

Or that my definition of not-chauvinistic shows is broader. Either way, I don't think it's as bad as you think. Anime has some horrendous stereotypes, and some shows are just plain WRONG in the way they portray women/girls, but most media is skewed towards male empowerment. It's a product of the general bias in society, and Japan has gender roles a lot more ingrained, I think, that the West does.
I'd certainly suggest that I tend to avoid shows which are blatantly over-the-top stupid in their portrayal of ANY character, but that a lot of those are more likely to be bad portrayals of women than of men, and that anime does indeed have a bit of an issue with portraying women as anything other than damsels in distress. You've just got to be picky about what you watch. 90% of everything is shit, etc, etc. I wouldn't put it on the same tier as video games...though I can't speak for the fan base when it comes to how they might act towards women. I've heard that it's WORSE than video games, and I've heard that it's not as bad as you might expect, so it could go either way, but probably depends on the show and the location.

But seriously. Every entertainment medium has this problem. Anime has it worse than most, for a medium which has been around mostly during a period of increased awareness of gender equality issues, but again, that more reflects the society it is developed in, the perceived target audience, and so forth, than anything else; just like the problem with video games being "for guys". It'll change when the social perspective changes, or when the industry wakes up to a broader target audience; which some shows already acknowledge.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Moribito is a major one. Female protagonist is tough but doesn't lose herself too much in being that way. in fact its because she is so skilled and resilient that you get amazed at her subtle feminine wisdom and insights.

Just thought that needed to be said. Anime has in my opinion become way less chauvanistic than it was a few years ago when I first got into it, maybe I just didnt know enough shows? any of these examples dating back to 1998?

[QuickTidal]

So I have been checking out THE ECCENCTRIC FAMILY (Kotaku was gushing about it) on CR...and aside from being wholly weird (nature spirits that can take human form...and a lead one who likes to flip between male and female human form [with the same male voice])...it's a fairly entertaining pilot. I'll continue to check it out to see if it's as good as Kotaku is talking about.

And I STILL have to catch up with ATTACK ON TITAN.

[LinearPhilosopher]

QuickTidal, on 22 October 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

And I STILL have to catch up with ATTACK ON TITAN.

do not return until you have. It's a much more efficient use of your time.

[LinearPhilosopher]

Silencer, on 22 October 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

I haven't watched much from this season yet, but Kyoukai no Kanata is great. Bit more action-oriented than their usual work...almost seems like a more serious Chuunibyou...


As for the list of less than chauvinistic anime, you can add:

Noir
Requiem for the Phantom
Madlax
El Cazador de la Brujah

All by Bee Train. Fan service is there, but light, and except for Requiem have female protagonists exclusively - and in Requiem, the female is more physically competent than the male lead, and they both more or less become each other's emotional crutch due to the fact that they are both psychologically fucked up.

Let's also add:

A Certain Scientific Railgun
ef; both seasons
Baccano! (you had Durarara, but not this? XD)
Black Rock Shooter
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (God is a girl, and the most competent other character is also female...ish. Sure, they're not the "lead" characters, but Haruhi is the plot motivator and Yuki is pretty close behind.)
Myself;Yourself (at least half the plot revolves around the twins, who are a balanced male/female pair, and the female protagonist is not exactly weak herself; in fact, all female characters are treated as people with motivations and desires)
Kill Me Baby (comedy, but again, female protagonists)
Psycho-Pass
Noein
Senkou no Night Raid
Witch Hunter Robin

I'd be inclined to include:
Persona 4 (but the Animation is not as good as the game, in terms of having...proper character development for the girls, or letting them kick ass themselves)
Sword Art Online (again, except that the anime, and definitely ALO arc, turn Asuna into a damsel in distress, and the other girls aren't given much respect/development except as love interests. But in the novels Asuna is ONLY portrayed as a DiD in ALO; after that she kicks ass again)
Monogatari series (they may be high on the fanservice scale, but the girls DO all have unique, explored personalities and are shown in later stories to be their own protagonists; Koyomi only gets all the limelight in Bakemono because he's the narrator).
Chuunibyou Demo Koi ga Shitai (marginal, as it's harem-y; though honestly the MC was always going to be paired with the female lead, and not much challenged that, so it's not really a harem show. Just feels a bit light on the female independence...nah, it goes on the list)


And if you're not limiting to series:
Arriety
Howl's Moving Castle
The Girl Who Leapt Through Time
Spirited Away
Princess Mononoke


Which is like...44 out of 95 anime on my anime list. That is, in all cases, taking separate MAL entires as separate instances, for both the "not chauvinistic" shows and the "chauvinistic/N/A" shows. I don't have all the anime I've watched on MAL, but that's a pretty hefty percentage. 46% in fact.

So what we just established is that I watch a lot more not-chauvinistic shows than BL does.

Or that my definition of not-chauvinistic shows is broader. Either way, I don't think it's as bad as you think. Anime has some horrendous stereotypes, and some shows are just plain WRONG in the way they portray women/girls, but most media is skewed towards male empowerment. It's a product of the general bias in society, and Japan has gender roles a lot more ingrained, I think, that the West does.
I'd certainly suggest that I tend to avoid shows which are blatantly over-the-top stupid in their portrayal of ANY character, but that a lot of those are more likely to be bad portrayals of women than of men, and that anime does indeed have a bit of an issue with portraying women as anything other than damsels in distress. You've just got to be picky about what you watch. 90% of everything is shit, etc, etc. I wouldn't put it on the same tier as video games...though I can't speak for the fan base when it comes to how they might act towards women. I've heard that it's WORSE than video games, and I've heard that it's not as bad as you might expect, so it could go either way, but probably depends on the show and the location.

But seriously. Every entertainment medium has this problem. Anime has it worse than most, for a medium which has been around mostly during a period of increased awareness of gender equality issues, but again, that more reflects the society it is developed in, the perceived target audience, and so forth, than anything else; just like the problem with video games being "for guys". It'll change when the social perspective changes, or when the industry wakes up to a broader target audience; which some shows already acknowledge.

I forgot about baccano, maria,
psychopass id disagree with,

Spoiler

the main character has kogami doing all the fighting for her, and when the moment of truth happens (she has to save her friend) she can't do it.

also i can't believe i left out miyazaki films. Btw i recently watched Porco Rosso. Its now my new favourite miyazaki film

[Dolmen 2.0]

BalrogLord, on 22 October 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 22 October 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

And I STILL have to catch up with ATTACK ON TITAN.

do not return until you have. It's a much more efficient use of your time.

agreed

[blanketman2.0]

QuickTidal, on 22 October 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

So I have been checking out THE ECCENCTRIC FAMILY (Kotaku was gushing about it) on CR...and aside from being wholly weird (nature spirits that can take human form...and a lead one who likes to flip between male and female human form [with the same male voice])...it's a fairly entertaining pilot. I'll continue to check it out to see if it's as good as Kotaku is talking about.

The Eccentric Family was my favorite from the summer season and maybe my favorite of this year others that might have that spot are Hataraku Maou-sama!, Suisei no Gargantia, Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru, Genei Wo Kakeru Taiyou or Kami-sama no Inai Nichiyoubi. Not counting the fall season because it's no done at the moment.


although 2012 was a stronger year i my opinion with SSY,Jormungand, Fate/Zero, Hyouka and Nisemonogatari.

[Garak]

So after watching Black Lagoon again (I really like that one), I decided to check out Attack on Titan. HOLY SHIT! Saw the first two episodes so far and WOW.

[D'rek]

So I watched the first Pokemon: Origin episode. I don't know what to feel.

[Dolmen 2.0]

D, on 25 October 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

So I watched the first Pokemon: Origin episode. I don't know what to feel.

I DON'T EITHER...its surreal...

[D'rek]

Dolmen+, on 25 October 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

D, on 25 October 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

So I watched the first Pokemon: Origin episode. I don't know what to feel.

I DON'T EITHER...its surreal...

The part where Red is like "I'm Red, so I'll pick Charmander!" and then Green is like "I don't care what colour I'm named after, I'll pick Squirtle just to be an asshole to Red!" was pretty awesome.