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Posted 19 August 2013 - 04:29 PM

View PostDolmen+, on 19 August 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

@QT: I cant seem to handle One Piece via anime because of the fact I got into it via manga. I am still following amphs advice and catching it at the interesting parts like the thriller bark and the whole amazon arc. The animation must make the fights look epic but I seem to enjoy Odas humour more in manga format aswell.


Indeed. I'm actually surprised how different the anime OP and the manga version can be without being different much storywise. I mean, the anime actually uses exact panels for its art...but yeah, I'm getting something extra special from Oda's art in stationary black and white form. I'll defo continue to watch the show though as I quite enjoy it as well (the emotion that comes across in certain bits [a good example is Nami's back story which brought me near tears] works wholly better for me in animated, voice-acted form), but I feel glad I have been able to latch onto the manga as well and enjoy something like OP in two mediums.

Plus, Luffy...as played so perfectly by Mayumi Tanaka...the delivery of the character is nothing short of genius (not to slight Colleen Clinkenbeard's English dub acting, which is also good).
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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:09 AM

I think Avatar really did a great job. It's hard, though, to distinguish between "Western" and "Eastern" media/animation. While anime has a distinctive style, it is heavily grounded, in terms of inspiration, in Walt Disney's stuff. Practically speaking, anime is just animated pictures, like any other "cartoon" TV show we get.
I think the difference really comes from the sheer volume of time and experience most anime have, and also the fact that you are naturally more open to variations on the normal because "it's foreign" - whereas your expectations are not so easily put aside when it is a Western production.
That, and anime has a lot broader range of target demographics. While some cartoons and animated shows from the West are good value for working adult themes and jokes into children's shows, by and large most cartoons are designed as just that - kid's shows. It's the animation age ghetto, and it limits drastically what level of content we receive.
(And if we're talking quality cartoons, let's not forget Reboot and Gargoyles! Awesome stuff, and by and large some of the closest Western stuff which is actually *almost* out of the age ghetto, in terms of relative complexity, themes, not talking down to people, etc.


Meanwhile, on Silencer's watching list:

Holy shit, KyoAni have mastered the art of drawing the most unbelievably beautiful and awesomely detailed scenes on the face of the planet. Like, this shit is pure visual porn. They've always been stellar in terms of both their attention to detail and their gorgeous artwork, but I think Hyouka is possibly one of the most ludicrously beautiful shows I have ever seen. In terms of story, it is interesting and pretty good so far, though it is definitively "slice of life" - less slapstick/comedic than most, though, it has a serious undertone to it, at least for the first five episodes which I've watched.
But seriously, the joy in watching this is the art. It is actually almost what I'd say the equivalent of "photorealistic" is, in anime form. It is THAT good. And I mean; it is THAT GOOD, relative to what Kyoto's normal standards are - and these are the guys who make "art break" in Nichijou look AWESOME, rather than "deliberate bad", these are the guys who make fairly solid colour blocks in Haruhi look great, and frankly, the level of quality in this show is beyond even what was displayed in the Disappearance movie, imo. It is...perfection. I don' think there is another way to describe it. XD

*deep breath* OK, there, I've calmed down a bit. Forgive my gushing over the pretties. It's just...amazingly good looking, art-wise. Though I may have to clarify that statement that I am watching on this on my new computer, with a new screen, so I may revise my estimations of some of their other work upwards when I've watched those on this - but frankly, it's all 1080p on 1080p screens, so I doubt it will make a difference. Sooo goooood.

Yeah, so watch it if you want a good slice-of-life that is literally candy for your eyes in terms of how stunning it all looks. Or if you are in any way a fan of Kyoto Animation. And you should be, because they are gods. :D
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Posted 20 August 2013 - 07:37 AM

what show is this silencer? AND AGREED ON REBOOT!, that show was EPIC!

View PostDolmen+, on 19 August 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

@QT: I cant seem to handle One Piece via anime because of the fact I got into it via manga. I am still following amphs advice and catching it at the interesting parts like the thriller bark and the whole amazon arc. The animation must make the fights look epic but I seem to enjoy Odas humour more in manga format aswell.

@BL: Yeah avatar and teen titans I'd concede. Western anime is gaining ground, and like I said above I'd only really trust the creators of the last airbender to translate western story into eastern media. Please don't get me wrong. The shows tend to be uncomfortable, wolverine and the x-men, Witchblade, Blade or Supernatural the anime feel off. They are not bad....just feel odd, weird even. Some things just don't quite fit.


Its because they tried to copy paste something is why it failed. X-men evolution for example, i really enjoyed that series as a kid. Its all about interpretation and not the copy pasting. The quote Stambaugh, all translation is interpretation.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 08:55 AM

Agreed! They need some really solid depth to succeed at an adaptation of any western subject matter. Dont just make harry a human turned wizard, adapt the attitude. What would a mature audience in japan expect from a child born without their par- Holy shit Naruto is Harry Potter!

Also i'm gonna recco: Blood Lad. Its my younger brothers find, I'm enjoying first Episode as we speak. A nice break from the epicness Of Psycho Pass and Jormungand.

If you liked Souleater Blood Lad is just as awesome, random and funny. Except possibly more so. Really good first impressions.
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Posted 20 August 2013 - 08:57 AM

BL - Hyouka. Apparently it means "ice cream" in English, depending on which kanji it is written with. This is in fact a minor plot-point. XD

I didn't realize I had only really directly referred to it once, which was hidden in the middle of my ramble, lol.
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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:56 PM

View PostSilencer, on 20 August 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

BL - Hyouka. Apparently it means "ice cream" in English, depending on which kanji it is written with. This is in fact a minor plot-point. XD

I didn't realize I had only really directly referred to it once, which was hidden in the middle of my ramble, lol.


Kyotoani has great prduction value in general witch is why it is one of my favorite studios but i do wich they made more action orientaded show like full metal panic the seacond raid. Hyouka is a fun watch and i find one of there beter works altought the disapirance of haruhi susumiya is the best piece of work that studio has done.
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Posted 22 August 2013 - 11:44 PM

I think it's hard to judge how well KyoAni does things like action though - the Second Raid was not exactly their usual standard of artwork, and I think really that they are pretty good at using "discretion shots" and otherwise manipulating the angle to reduce the amount of action they have to animate in most cases. I agree, they are an awesome studio, but I really think their strength lies in slice-of-life, story-based productions. I'd still like them to do the next season of Full Metal Panic, though. ;)

I consider myself moderately biased when it comes to the Disappearance movie; it adapts one of my favourite plots from the novels, and is oh-so-ludicrously well done, that I just think I watch it with a massive blind eye to any possible negatives that are in there (I don't think there are any, and that's what makes me suspicious XD).

But really, every Kyoto production I've watched so far has been a great show, backed by awesome artwork and great production values - they probably have the highest "hit rate" of any of my favourite studios, for me, personally. I think part of what makes them awesome is the crazy attention to detail, and the absolutely excessive effort they put into every single show they do - it doesn't matter if it's a slice-of-life, comedy anime about a light music club, the put so much effort into the whole thing that it ends up being awesome, partly or mostly because that level of effort is so far beyond what any other studio would do that it makes whatever they are doing more epic than it has any right to be! In fact, I'm pretty sure that KyoAni could be synonymous with the word 'quality', because that's what really sets them apart, lol.
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Posted 03 September 2013 - 12:00 PM

View PostSilencer, on 22 August 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

I think it's hard to judge how well KyoAni does things like action though - the Second Raid was not exactly their usual standard of artwork, and I think really that they are pretty good at using "discretion shots" and otherwise manipulating the angle to reduce the amount of action they have to animate in most cases. I agree, they are an awesome studio, but I really think their strength lies in slice-of-life, story-based productions. I'd still like them to do the next season of Full Metal Panic, though. :)

I consider myself moderately biased when it comes to the Disappearance movie; it adapts one of my favourite plots from the novels, and is oh-so-ludicrously well done, that I just think I watch it with a massive blind eye to any possible negatives that are in there (I don't think there are any, and that's what makes me suspicious XD).

But really, every Kyoto production I've watched so far has been a great show, backed by awesome artwork and great production values - they probably have the highest "hit rate" of any of my favourite studios, for me, personally. I think part of what makes them awesome is the crazy attention to detail, and the absolutely excessive effort they put into every single show they do - it doesn't matter if it's a slice-of-life, comedy anime about a light music club, the put so much effort into the whole thing that it ends up being awesome, partly or mostly because that level of effort is so far beyond what any other studio would do that it makes whatever they are doing more epic than it has any right to be! In fact, I'm pretty sure that KyoAni could be synonymous with the word 'quality', because that's what really sets them apart, lol.


I do agree that the second raid may not be there best in quality but i still think it whould be cool if they explored the action side of animetion more.

But in current stuff the best in new show (does not include second seasons) is the Eccentric Family ( Uchouten Kazoku ) and is current place holder for fav of the year 2013 for myself so go see it or something its has some of the best caracters ive seen in genaral althought the are style may be a minus to some poeple the story is based around a family of tanuki 3rd son and a human girl who whas taught by a tengu and there interaction not ro give spollers

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 03:55 PM

This week's AoT episode (#23) was pretty awesome, IMNSHO.

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 17 September 2013 - 01:52 AM

I was worried we were going to get another slow bit on AoT after last week's episode. Glad they're keeping up the pace.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 09:18 AM

HOLD. EVERYTHING.


I don't know how, but I somehow completely forgot that Monogatari Series season two was scheduled for this season. I have missed ten episodes of it already. Catchup commencing ASAP. Episode one was delightfully batshit insane and already has me hooked. Goodbye, life.

(I, unfortunately, must confess to a rapidly establishing catch-up list, having not watched much anime in the past month or two, at all, for reasons unknown. However, none of that matters right now, because MONOGATARI GOODNESS is here!)
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:14 PM

View PostSilencer, on 19 September 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

HOLD. EVERYTHING.


I don't know how, but I somehow completely forgot that Monogatari Series season two was scheduled for this season. I have missed ten episodes of it already. Catchup commencing ASAP. Episode one was delightfully batshit insane and already has me hooked. Goodbye, life.

(I, unfortunately, must confess to a rapidly establishing catch-up list, having not watched much anime in the past month or two, at all, for reasons unknown. However, none of that matters right now, because MONOGATARI GOODNESS is here!)


What is it and should other people watch it?

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:41 PM

I ask this as well as after watching the trailer and reading the wiki synopsis I am nowhere nearer to knowing what exactly it's about.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 05:24 PM

I think he's talking about part 1.5 of the series? I watched BAKEMONOGATARI and Nisemonogatari. they are pretty witty, I like them. The third installation is called Nekomonogatari I think and its hard to follow as I cant tell if I'm getting incomplete episodes or not...
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Posted 20 September 2013 - 11:44 AM

View PostD, on 19 September 2013 - 01:14 PM, said:

View PostSilencer, on 19 September 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

HOLD. EVERYTHING.


I don't know how, but I somehow completely forgot that Monogatari Series season two was scheduled for this season. I have missed ten episodes of it already. Catchup commencing ASAP. Episode one was delightfully batshit insane and already has me hooked. Goodbye, life.

(I, unfortunately, must confess to a rapidly establishing catch-up list, having not watched much anime in the past month or two, at all, for reasons unknown. However, none of that matters right now, because MONOGATARI GOODNESS is here!)


What is it and should other people watch it?


OK...how the hell does one describe the Monogatari stories...

Full of wordplay, most of the episodes are 90% talking heads, making use of incredibly abstract art, non-sequential cuts, and fourth-wall defying scenes to make it more visually stimulating. This is not an easy series to watch. It's like a Picasso; you can kinda-sorta see what it is, but the pieces are too disparate for you to be comfortable with calling it something definitively. Kinda.

More or less, it revolves around our main protagonist, who is not entirely human, and his encounters with a bunch of his friends, family, and strangers who become friends, all of whom have some sort of supernatural problem for him to aid them with. Things like being cursed by a Crab god so that you weigh next to nothing. Except, usually, it's not what it originally seemed on the surface. Which is more or less how every conversation and the entire thing goes, honestly.

Filled with weird wordplay (harder to follow, as it's Japanese wordplay, to boot), watching requires a bit of engagement for it to be worthwhile. This isn't a series you can afford to look away from the screen for a second; you'll miss something. And even when paying attention, or rewatching, parts of it will still not make sense. It's a brain-twister in anime form, basically. Great fun, but boy does it leave you spinning.

View PostQuickTidal, on 19 September 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

I ask this as well as after watching the trailer and reading the wiki synopsis I am nowhere nearer to knowing what exactly it's about.


And you will be only marginally more clued in once you watch it. It has a cohesive story to tell, it just doesn't worry about that too much and is more of a bunch of linked but separate side stories mashed together, where the director took perverse pleasure in overcomplicating the dialogue and throwing it all against a noisy background that is constantly changing to distract from the fact that most of the episodes could just be talking heads.

Full of dodgy jokes, too. I believe the first episode starts with a ludicrously long panty shot that is just plain gratuitous...and has almost nothing to do with anything, ever, except for the numerous other perverted jokes. Though this is not really that kind of show; the fanservice/what have you is almost exclusively played for laughs, and variety of perspective, rather than being in any way a focus or necessary to the show; it's just there. And I don't even care that it is (normally gratuitous fanservice scenes annoy me to heck, but here it just...doesn't intrude? The show is that trippy that it barely counts as fanservice, most of the time).

View PostDolmen+, on 19 September 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

I think he's talking about part 1.5 of the series? I watched BAKEMONOGATARI and Nisemonogatari. they are pretty witty, I like them. The third installation is called Nekomonogatari I think and its hard to follow as I cant tell if I'm getting incomplete episodes or not...


So yeah, it's actually split up like this:

SEASON ONE

Bakemonogatari ('Ghostory' (see, a lot of the puns/wordplay work in English too! XD) roughly is the first story arch/what would normally be a 'season'. Much fun.)

Nisemonogatari ('IMPOssible/imposterSTORY', second story arch, more pervy, but also possibly more awesome, if shorter. Also contains the most epic, crowning example of PG-rated sex substitute scene ever. And it's like five minutes long. And it fits the story and characters. Mostly. Which is amazing in and of itself.)

Nekomonogatari BLACK (short movie/4 OVAs, prequel, have not actually watched all the way through, and I don't know why.)

Also supposed to have Kizemonogatari, a theatrical film release prequel, which is apparently in Development Hell. :)

SEASON TWO, which is why this shit is so damn confusing, is what is currently airing, and contains Nekomongatari WHITE, along with five other story arcs. Normally this would count as at *least* season three of the series, but no, it's season two. And collectively referred to as such, even though the other ones are usually referred to individually by, i.e. 'Bakemonogatari'. Which totally fits with the nature of the shows. But is still annoying.


Oh, and it's by Studio SHAFT. They are fucking awesome. And anyone who is familiar with their work will now be nodding their heads, in complete understanding of why this series is batshit insane. >.> They did Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, and the ef seasons, for reference. I have waxed lyrical about their greatness before, but I still think Bake/Nise are their greatest works.


So...check 'em out. At the very least, give the first episode or two of Bakemonogatari a try. Totally worth it. Will also totally understand if you don't like them - I imagine they are a lot like Malazan in that some people love it, others just...don't. :)
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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:17 PM

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Oh, and it's by Studio SHAFT. They are fucking awesome. And anyone who is familiar with their work will now be nodding their heads, in complete understanding of why this series is batshit insane. >.> They did Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, and the ef seasons, for reference. I have waxed lyrical about their greatness before, but I still think Bake/Nise are their greatest works.


So...check 'em out. At the very least, give the first episode or two of Bakemonogatari a try. Totally worth it. Will also totally understand if you don't like them - I imagine they are a lot like Malazan in that some people love it, others just...don't. :rofl:
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 07:50 PM

Heads up on this new anime, looks and sounds badass!



Coppelion is set in 2036, 30 years after a malfunction at the Odaiba power plant forces Tokyo to be evacuated. Now the only people who can enter Tokyo without suffering the effects of radiation are three genetically engineered teenaged girls, who are tasked by the military to search for survivors, because as anime has so often shown us there is no problem that can't be solved if you throw enough Japanese high school girls at it. As you can see by the trailer, they find a lot more than just survivors, including a crazy spider-mecha.
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Posted 02 October 2013 - 05:55 AM

OK, I'm not one to hold out for *too* much realism or respect for physics in my anime, let alone genetically-engineered Japanese school girls fight monsters/explore nuclear wasteland anime, but COME ON. Not only do we have a jeep - and not even a new/shiny jeep at that - but we have birds. Yes. BIRDS. Keeping up with a FRIKKING B-2 STEALTH BOMBER. I mean WHAT? XD

Other than that, could be interesting. Though I admit my expectations for the plot are, at this point, not high. :)
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Posted 02 October 2013 - 06:12 AM

Who needs plot when you're immune to radioactive waste?
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Who needs plot when you're immune to radioactive waste?


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