[Traveller]

Ulrik, on 09 May 2011 - 10:58 PM, said:

Well, this episode went fast and well.

Im sorry, that story of brothers Clegane didnt make it in book version. It added really much to Hound character.
Oh, and of course...next episode will arrive Bronn, I guess...

What do you mean, it 'didn't make it in the books?' The story was there, just told by the hound instead. It would have been better coming from the hound in the TV version too, I suppose they just wanted to give Littlefinger some more time. The tourney wasn't quite as glamorous as the books, and is it just me or has Robert only have lines about pissing? I think maybe they're overdoing the slob-King bit - he was still a formidable, regal-ish character in the book.

And I think Bronn was there... he is the one to catch Tyrions coin; an act which later Tyrion relies on to save him in the Eyrie.

I liked the episode, bit slow though; I would have preferred more tourney (other 'unknowns' jousting for a scene or two) than more of Viserys whining.

Also some of the CGI scenery is a bit dodgy, making me worry a bit about the dragons later on...

[Tyr]

BRONN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He carried the episode, lets face facts here guys. Who cares about all the other boring garbage thats happening: fucking Bronn manning up and letting Tyrion take his room for good coin. Its amazing the think that this scoundrel, who is willing to sleep in the stables for a single coin is going to end up king of Westeros. And also, if you watch at the end, where all the banner men pull out their swords on Tyrion, you will see Bronn lifting his cup to take a drink, not giving a fuck. What a guy.

I hope that wasnt the end of the tourney, the brothers Clegane is a great part of the story. Far more interesting than the White Knight Snow and the whore mother of dragons.

[Ulrik]

Traveller, on 10 May 2011 - 07:47 AM, said:

Ulrik, on 09 May 2011 - 10:58 PM, said:

Well, this episode went fast and well.

Im sorry, that story of brothers Clegane didnt make it in book version. It added really much to Hound character.
Oh, and of course...next episode will arrive Bronn, I guess...

What do you mean, it 'didn't make it in the books?' The story was there, just told by the hound instead. It would have been better coming from the hound in the TV version too, I suppose they just wanted to give Littlefinger some more time. The tourney wasn't quite as glamorous as the books, and is it just me or has Robert only have lines about pissing? I think maybe they're overdoing the slob-King bit - he was still a formidable, regal-ish character in the book.

And I think Bronn was there... he is the one to catch Tyrions coin; an act which later Tyrion relies on to save him in the Eyrie.

I meant that Im sorry scene wast in same style as in book - which I loved. Told by Hound himself in drunken state:) And yeah, Bronn probably was there...somwhere... Do you think the man with coin? Looked too non.Bronnish for me:) EDIT: OK, it looks that it was Bronn...but...cmon...he should be...Bronnish!

This post has been edited by Ulrik: 10 May 2011 - 09:07 AM

[Ceda Cicero]

MTS, on 10 May 2011 - 06:37 AM, said:

It also seems as though they're going to scrap the Rickon story entirely, although not having read the books I don't remember how fleshed out his story should be by now.

With only a few exceptions, Rickon is just a footnote to Bran's storyline in books 1-3. They part ways at the end of ASoS though, with Bran heading North with the Reeds and Hodor and Rickon heading south with Osha, so I'm expecting when we see him again he'll get a bit more development. As of now in the series, though, they're not really missing too much, but they're also not giving him any face time at all, and I don't even think he's even been mentioned since ep 2, which could be problematic when it does come time for him to have a little more presence, as I wouldn't be surprised if most casual viewers just don't even know he exists at this point.

Then again, I should say, I sometimes forget he exists in reading, so...

[MTS]

They showed what I think was him in the first episode I think (he's the little one sitting on the barrel laughing at Bran's archery fails), but yeah, very much a non-character at this point, which could be a problem. Depends on how big a role he will play in the overall scheme of things later on whether the producers will bother to include him, as you wouldn't miss all that much otherwise.

[End of Disc One]

Briar King, on 10 May 2011 - 03:40 AM, said:

Im really not happy with this choice of actor. Theon is supposed to be a pretty handsome guy getting alot of attention from the ladies and being cocky as hell. I dont see this actor as Theon Greyjoy at all...

I was also happy to see the 3 eyed crow. Very fucking creepy looking.

Theon is one of my top 4 favorite characters and I wasn't too happy when the casting was revealed...but I think he's doing great. Sure he's not handsome but he carries himself well and has all the arrogance of Theon. And all the girls we've heard about him banging were far below him in the social chain, so it doesn't really matter how good looking he is. You can tell he probably thinks he's good looking.

[Abyss]

pat5150, on 09 May 2011 - 08:43 PM, said:

I actually liked Sam. That's pretty much how I've always pictured him...
...

I'm with the pro-Sam side. Once i got over the beard (that actually worked after the first few minutes because) the actor was otherwise perfect.

Ceda Cicero, on 09 May 2011 - 08:55 PM, said:

Catelyn was doing it for me up until the end of this last episode. I agree with the upthread - laid it on a bit too thick in the Inn at the Crossroads. Still, I think she looks the part and with just a few exceptions has been nailing it consistently. Tangentially, I really think Catelyn is one of the most underrated POV characters in the series, though I'm still not quite sure how GRRM is going to handle her now that she's been zombified.

I had to adjust my thinking for Cat because in my head per the books she was younger and more beautiful, but the actress has brought me around. Nice combination of freaking out and determined and frankly, her whole 'i must run to tell Ned the frikkin obvious' subplot worked way better on tv than in the book, where it read like 'pathetic desperate woman deserts her kids/home to hide behind her husband', tho she redeems herself later rallying support to take Tyrion and so on.

The zombified thing in Feast was actually one of my favourite developments (I especially like how she basically turns the rebels into bandits) and i'm curious to see where that goes.

SpectreofEschaton, on 09 May 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:

I just wish their had been a visible coat of arms somewhere on or nearby the men in the inn. That's one of the only scenes so far that I've groaned at. It just came off as... very strange, like we were watching a play or something and had to fill in the gaps with our imagination.

Agreed. I watched that scene three times (shut up i have a problem) and they aren't anywhere.

Cobbles, on 09 May 2011 - 10:13 PM, said:

...Based on my (incomplete) memory of the book, it might play out as:
Ep. 5: Robert meets the hog
Ep. 6: Viserys gets a crown
Ep. 7: Attack at the Wall???
Ep. 8: Ned gets axed
Ep. 9: Rebellion in the North, Robb becomes king
Ep. 10: Drogo dies and dragons hatch. ...

The major wilding attack at the Wall happens in a later book. In Game we only see the Night's Watch send out a force to determine what happened to Benjen and co. I don't even think they ran into any trouble until the second book where things go to crap.

Ulrik, on 09 May 2011 - 10:58 PM, said:

...
So...is it one of greatest moments in film/ movie industry for last twenty years? Oh yeaaaah... Last time I loved waiting for new episodes was BSG. And I didnt know how it ends!....

I'll have to wait until the first season ends to make that call... i hold tv to a different standard than fantasy books because success is measured by more than who much people who already were into the genre love it. That said, HBO has been reporting solid ratings digits, a second season has already been approved, and we're looking good.

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And I think my wife will be really surprised by Ned´s end...hope scene, where Joffrey shows his pure stupidity wont be ruined. It cant. It simply cant

I'm VERy curious to see how this goes down. It brings to mind AMC's Walking Dead, where at least one major death didn't happen when it was 'supposed to', but GoT is following the source material more closely which means all things being as they should, Ned gets it in the neck before this is done and our King's Landing focus shifts to Sansa initially and then Jaime.

I'm also very curious to hear about the reactions of people who haven't read the books. Killing a, if not 'the' major character is something tv traditionally scuttles away from.

Sinisdar Toste, on 10 May 2011 - 04:35 AM, said:

Briar King, on 10 May 2011 - 03:40 AM, said:

Im really not happy with this choice of actor. Theon is supposed to be a pretty handsome guy getting alot of attention from the ladies and being cocky as hell. I dont see this actor as Theon Greyjoy at all...
...

tell me about it, guy looks like a goof....i always thought theon was taller and darker....

I think he works fine in the role. But we've seen a lot less of him to date... i think ep 4 was the first time he was even fully named.

Plus don't forget that for tv purposes, casting tends to reflect the character a bit more. Visuals count for more because to an extent that's how the viewers interpret the character. Theon's destined to be a traitor and bad-guy so make him a bit less pretty. Catelyn's mothering instincts area big part of her so cast her as older and more worn looking. Sansa is a girl trying (badly) to be a woman so cast a taller, potentially prettier girl in the role, and so on.

Traveller, on 10 May 2011 - 07:47 AM, said:

...And I think Bronn was there... he is the one to catch Tyrions coin; an act which later Tyrion relies on to save him in the Eyrie...

I thought so too.

Tyr, on 10 May 2011 - 08:09 AM, said:

BRONN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
..., if you watch at the end, where all the banner men pull out their swords on Tyrion, you will see Bronn lifting his cup to take a drink, not giving a fuck. What a guy...

My attention was on Tyrion in that scene - did that actually happen?

Ulrik, on 10 May 2011 - 08:52 AM, said:

...OK, it looks that it was Bronn...but...cmon...he should be...Bronnish!

Part of the beauty of the character Bronn is that he doesn't look or act in any way like one of the best swordmen in the Kingdoms. The fact that he's kick-ass with a sword, clever as fuck and even semi-almost-honourable all adds to why so many people love him.

Ceda Cicero, on 10 May 2011 - 12:46 PM, said:

MTS, on 10 May 2011 - 06:37 AM, said:

It also seems as though they're going to scrap the Rickon story entirely, although not having read the books I don't remember how fleshed out his story should be by now.

With only a few exceptions, Rickon is just a footnote to Bran's storyline in books 1-3. ...

No kidding. All things considered, Shaggydog gets more development than Rickon, or put another way, Shaggydog reflects the only real development Rickon gets.

That said, i think GRRM is setting him up for a triumphant return towards the end of the series with a pack of Osha's barbarians following him into battle at a key time.

[Ceda Cicero]

Abyss, on 10 May 2011 - 03:14 PM, said:

pat5150, on 09 May 2011 - 08:43 PM, said:

I actually liked Sam. That's pretty much how I've always pictured him...
...

I'm with the pro-Sam side. Once i got over the beard (that actually worked after the first few minutes because) the actor was otherwise perfect.

Ceda Cicero, on 09 May 2011 - 08:55 PM, said:

Catelyn was doing it for me up until the end of this last episode. I agree with the upthread - laid it on a bit too thick in the Inn at the Crossroads. Still, I think she looks the part and with just a few exceptions has been nailing it consistently. Tangentially, I really think Catelyn is one of the most underrated POV characters in the series, though I'm still not quite sure how GRRM is going to handle her now that she's been zombified.

I had to adjust my thinking for Cat because in my head per the books she was younger and more beautiful, but the actress has brought me around. Nice combination of freaking out and determined and frankly, her whole 'i must run to tell Ned the frikkin obvious' subplot worked way better on tv than in the book, where it read like 'pathetic desperate woman deserts her kids/home to hide behind her husband', tho she redeems herself later rallying support to take Tyrion and so on.

The zombified thing in Feast was actually one of my favourite developments (I especially like how she basically turns the rebels into bandits) and i'm curious to see where that goes.

SpectreofEschaton, on 09 May 2011 - 09:00 PM, said:

I just wish their had been a visible coat of arms somewhere on or nearby the men in the inn. That's one of the only scenes so far that I've groaned at. It just came off as... very strange, like we were watching a play or something and had to fill in the gaps with our imagination.

Agreed. I watched that scene three times (shut up i have a problem) and they aren't anywhere.

Cobbles, on 09 May 2011 - 10:13 PM, said:

...Based on my (incomplete) memory of the book, it might play out as:
Ep. 5: Robert meets the hog
Ep. 6: Viserys gets a crown
Ep. 7: Attack at the Wall???
Ep. 8: Ned gets axed
Ep. 9: Rebellion in the North, Robb becomes king
Ep. 10: Drogo dies and dragons hatch. ...

The major wilding attack at the Wall happens in a later book. In Game we only see the Night's Watch send out a force to determine what happened to Benjen and co. I don't even think they ran into any trouble until the second book where things go to crap.

Ulrik, on 09 May 2011 - 10:58 PM, said:

...
So...is it one of greatest moments in film/ movie industry for last twenty years? Oh yeaaaah... Last time I loved waiting for new episodes was BSG. And I didnt know how it ends!....

I'll have to wait until the first season ends to make that call... i hold tv to a different standard than fantasy books because success is measured by more than who much people who already were into the genre love it. That said, HBO has been reporting solid ratings digits, a second season has already been approved, and we're looking good.

Quote

And I think my wife will be really surprised by Ned´s end...hope scene, where Joffrey shows his pure stupidity wont be ruined. It cant. It simply cant

I'm VERy curious to see how this goes down. It brings to mind AMC's Walking Dead, where at least one major death didn't happen when it was 'supposed to', but GoT is following the source material more closely which means all things being as they should, Ned gets it in the neck before this is done and our King's Landing focus shifts to Sansa initially and then Jaime.

I'm also very curious to hear about the reactions of people who haven't read the books. Killing a, if not 'the' major character is something tv traditionally scuttles away from.

Sinisdar Toste, on 10 May 2011 - 04:35 AM, said:

Briar King, on 10 May 2011 - 03:40 AM, said:

Im really not happy with this choice of actor. Theon is supposed to be a pretty handsome guy getting alot of attention from the ladies and being cocky as hell. I dont see this actor as Theon Greyjoy at all...
...

tell me about it, guy looks like a goof....i always thought theon was taller and darker....

I think he works fine in the role. But we've seen a lot less of him to date... i think ep 4 was the first time he was even fully named.

Plus don't forget that for tv purposes, casting tends to reflect the character a bit more. Visuals count for more because to an extent that's how the viewers interpret the character. Theon's destined to be a traitor and bad-guy so make him a bit less pretty. Catelyn's mothering instincts area big part of her so cast her as older and more worn looking. Sansa is a girl trying (badly) to be a woman so cast a taller, potentially prettier girl in the role, and so on.

Traveller, on 10 May 2011 - 07:47 AM, said:

...And I think Bronn was there... he is the one to catch Tyrions coin; an act which later Tyrion relies on to save him in the Eyrie...

I thought so too.

Tyr, on 10 May 2011 - 08:09 AM, said:

BRONN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
..., if you watch at the end, where all the banner men pull out their swords on Tyrion, you will see Bronn lifting his cup to take a drink, not giving a fuck. What a guy...

My attention was on Tyrion in that scene - did that actually happen?

Ulrik, on 10 May 2011 - 08:52 AM, said:

...OK, it looks that it was Bronn...but...cmon...he should be...Bronnish!

Part of the beauty of the character Bronn is that he doesn't look or act in any way like one of the best swordmen in the Kingdoms. The fact that he's kick-ass with a sword, clever as fuck and even semi-almost-honourable all adds to why so many people love him.

Ceda Cicero, on 10 May 2011 - 12:46 PM, said:

MTS, on 10 May 2011 - 06:37 AM, said:

It also seems as though they're going to scrap the Rickon story entirely, although not having read the books I don't remember how fleshed out his story should be by now.

With only a few exceptions, Rickon is just a footnote to Bran's storyline in books 1-3. ...

No kidding. All things considered, Shaggydog gets more development than Rickon, or put another way, Shaggydog reflects the only real development Rickon gets.

That said, i think GRRM is setting him up for a triumphant return towards the end of the series with a pack of Osha's barbarians following him into battle at a key time.

Re: the Watch in book one, isn't there a wight attack in book one, when Jon burns his hand and gets Longclaw? Or does that happen in book 2?

[Garak]

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That said, i think GRRM is setting him up for a triumphant return towards the end of the series with a pack of Osha's barbarians following him into battle at a key time.

That or goes all barbarian and we never hear of him again.

Personally I want Nymeria to come back, leading her huge pack of wolves, and tear Cersei to pieces.

[Abyss]

Cobbles, on 09 May 2011 - 10:13 PM, said:

Quote

...Based on my (incomplete) memory of the book, it might play out as:
Ep. 5: Robert meets the hog
Ep. 6: Viserys gets a crown
Ep. 7: Attack at the Wall???
Ep. 8: Ned gets axed
Ep. 9: Rebellion in the North, Robb becomes king
Ep. 10: Drogo dies and dragons hatch. ...

The major wilding attack at the Wall happens in a later book. In Game we only see the Night's Watch send out a force to determine what happened to Benjen and co. I don't even think they ran into any trouble until the second book where things go to crap.

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Re: the Watch in book one, isn't there a wight attack in book one, when Jon burns his hand and gets Longclaw? Or does that happen in book 2?

There's a dead men walking attack and yeah that's where Jon saves Mormont and gets his sword. In book two the Watch sends out a force that falls apart and has to run back to the wall being chased by dead and White Walkers, and Jon falls in with the Wildings, and then in 3 there's the major Wilding attack and Jon ends up commander.

[End of Disc One]

Also Ned will get axed in episode 9, King in the North happens in episode 10, and I doubt Robert will meet the hog in 5. Probably 6, while his death will be in 7.

[Abyss]

Y'know, on some level i'm bummed that the show will lose Sean Bean. I think the cast is totally strong enough to carry on without him, but he's very watchable.... which is awesome because the impact of his death, even for those of us who know it's coming, will be huge.

[Abyss]

Briar King, on 10 May 2011 - 04:40 PM, said:

Im glad to have seen Hodor finally have a line, I saw him lined up in epi 1 when Robert arrived at Winterfell but last Sund was his first line "Hodor"!

It was also his second and third line.

[Tapper]

Abyss, on 10 May 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

Briar King, on 10 May 2011 - 04:40 PM, said:

Im glad to have seen Hodor finally have a line, I saw him lined up in epi 1 when Robert arrived at Winterfell but last Sund was his first line "Hodor"!

It was also his second and third line.

It will probably be his only line (interspersed with "Hodor, Hodor!!!") for the entire show, until the very last episode, that is, where as an epilogue he will recite the To be or not to be monologue while holding Bronn's skull, and then turns out to be the narrator of the books, too.

[Cobbles]

Abyss, on 10 May 2011 - 03:40 PM, said:

Cobbles, on 09 May 2011 - 10:13 PM, said:

Quote

...Based on my (incomplete) memory of the book, it might play out as:
Ep. 5: Robert meets the hog
Ep. 6: Viserys gets a crown
Ep. 7: Attack at the Wall???
Ep. 8: Ned gets axed
Ep. 9: Rebellion in the North, Robb becomes king
Ep. 10: Drogo dies and dragons hatch. ...

The major wilding attack at the Wall happens in a later book. In Game we only see the Night's Watch send out a force to determine what happened to Benjen and co. I don't even think they ran into any trouble until the second book where things go to crap.

Quote

Re: the Watch in book one, isn't there a wight attack in book one, when Jon burns his hand and gets Longclaw? Or does that happen in book 2?

There's a dead men walking attack and yeah that's where Jon saves Mormont and gets his sword. In book two the Watch sends out a force that falls apart and has to run back to the wall being chased by dead and White Walkers, and Jon falls in with the Wildings, and then in 3 there's the major Wilding attack and Jon ends up commander.

End of Disc One, on 10 May 2011 - 03:55 PM, said:

Also Ned will get axed in episode 9, King in the North happens in episode 10, and I doubt Robert will meet the hog in 5. Probably 6, while his death will be in 7.

Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant. Dead men walking, not white walkers.

I don't have any inside information about the episodes, but do you think most of the excitement will happen in the last episodes? On the one hand I can understand the dramaturgy of it, on the other hand, we had now 4 episodes with a fair amount of exposition. We have seen the stages of hubris and the hamartia. We should be racing toward a first peripeteia and catharsis. (Nemesis and anagnorisis might have to wait for a later season.)

[Ceda Cicero]

Cobbles, on 10 May 2011 - 09:30 PM, said:

I don't have any inside information about the episodes, but do you think most of the excitement will happen in the last episodes?

Based on EoDO's projections there (which I think are accurate,) knowledge of plot sequences from the books, and the hype around episodes 5 and 6 from early reviewers who were shown the first six episodes, I don't think there's any question that the answer to this question is resoundingly "No."

[Cobbles]

Ceda Cicero, on 10 May 2011 - 09:41 PM, said:

Cobbles, on 10 May 2011 - 09:30 PM, said:

I don't have any inside information about the episodes, but do you think most of the excitement will happen in the last episodes?

Based on EoDO's projections there (which I think are accurate,) knowledge of plot sequences from the books, and the hype around episodes 5 and 6 from early reviewers who were shown the first six episodes, I don't think there's any question that the answer to this question is resoundingly "No."

Uhm, what are EoDO's projections and where can I find them?

[End of Disc One]

Cobbles, on 10 May 2011 - 10:12 PM, said:

Ceda Cicero, on 10 May 2011 - 09:41 PM, said:

Cobbles, on 10 May 2011 - 09:30 PM, said:

I don't have any inside information about the episodes, but do you think most of the excitement will happen in the last episodes?

Based on EoDO's projections there (which I think are accurate,) knowledge of plot sequences from the books, and the hype around episodes 5 and 6 from early reviewers who were shown the first six episodes, I don't think there's any question that the answer to this question is resoundingly "No."

Uhm, what are EoDO's projections and where can I find them?

The great EoDO's projections were what you quoted in your last post.

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Also Ned will get axed in episode 9, King in the North happens in episode 10, and I doubt Robert will meet the hog in 5. Probably 6, while his death will be in 7.

[Cobbles]

End of Disc One, on 10 May 2011 - 10:43 PM, said:

Cobbles, on 10 May 2011 - 10:12 PM, said:

Ceda Cicero, on 10 May 2011 - 09:41 PM, said:

Cobbles, on 10 May 2011 - 09:30 PM, said:

I don't have any inside information about the episodes, but do you think most of the excitement will happen in the last episodes?

Based on EoDO's projections there (which I think are accurate,) knowledge of plot sequences from the books, and the hype around episodes 5 and 6 from early reviewers who were shown the first six episodes, I don't think there's any question that the answer to this question is resoundingly "No."

Uhm, what are EoDO's projections and where can I find them?

The great EoDO's projections were what you quoted in your last post.

Quote

Also Ned will get axed in episode 9, King in the North happens in episode 10, and I doubt Robert will meet the hog in 5. Probably 6, while his death will be in 7.

Ah, I feel stupid now. Btw. is there an episode guide out there by now? Someone said the episode titles at least are available.

Nevermind, I googled it.
1) Winter is coming
2) The Kingsroad
3) Lord Snow
4) Cripples Bastards and broken things
5) The wolf and the lion
6) A golden crown
7) You win or you die
8) The pointy end
9) Baelor
10) Fire and blood

So going from the titles, #5 refers to the Stark/Lannister conflict. Cat drags Tyrion to the Vale. Things heat up in Kings Landing. #6 obviously refers to Visery's crown. #7 must be where Littlefinger turns on Ned, and Cersei has him arrested and killed. #8 refers to Arya's flight? #9 no idea. I've forgotten most of the backstory #10 refers to Drogo's death and the birth of dragons.

This post has been edited by Cobbles: 11 May 2011 - 02:18 AM

[Bauchelain the Evil]

9 refers to the temple of Baelor where Ned's executed